Post Conception Opt-Out FOR MEN

[EnchantedMuggle]

that is irrleevant...

No, it is not. You're talking about "legal inequality." But suddenly it's irrelevant that a man could "legally opt out" of his own responsibility toward raising his child...yet "hey! Here I am" waltz back in whenever it's convenient for him?

Nah.

besides the woman can take off and have the kid and NEVER tell the dad or the kid who the dad was...

In which case he never had to pay a dime, right? Your hypothetical guy wanted to legally "opt out" of his responsibility to the child and walk away forever...remember? Hmm.

However, if he would have wanted to father the child had he known it existed, and she willfully and knowingly kept the child from him, he has a hell of a legal case at his disposal. And she's a shit, BTW. But yeah, I would fully expect that man to sue, at the very least. He is the child's father. He had, and has, rights.

you really don't want to try and use this as some kind of point because it just makes these women look like Trash

Who cares who's trash? Once there's a child, it has rights, and two people are responsible before taxpayers are. And BTW, you want an "opt out" so men can rawdog it and wander away and you're calling the women trash? How does that work?

So you hate men... got it.

LOL. This from Mr. "My bitch wife!" and "men should be able to use women rawdog, walk away, and hey, by the way, these women are trash."

 

[Bodi]

No, it is not. You're talking about "legal inequality." But suddenly it's irrelevant that a man could "legally opt out" of his own responsibility toward raising his child...yet "hey! Here I am" waltz back in whenever it's convenient for him?

It is about the legal inequality POST CONCEPTION and PRE BIRTH.

Like I said you are missing the point. Not gonna read anything past this misunderstanding of yours.


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Nah.



In which case he never had to pay a dime, right? Your hypothetical guy wanted to legally "opt out" of his responsibility to the child and walk away forever...remember? Hmm.

However, if he would have wanted to father the child had he known it existed, and she willfully and knowingly kept the child from him, he has a hell of a legal case at his disposal. And she's a shit, BTW. But yeah, I would fully expect that man to sue, at the very least. He is the child's father. He had, and has, rights.



Who cares who's trash? Once there's a child, it has rights, and two people are responsible before taxpayers are. And BTW, you want an "opt out" so men can rawdog it and wander away and you're calling the women trash? How does that work?


LOL. This from Mr. "My bitch wife!" and "men should be able to use women rawdog, walk away, and hey, by the way, these women are trash."

 

[Bodi]

OL. This from Mr. "My bitch wife!" and "men should be able to use women rawdog, walk away, and hey, by the way, these women are trash."

I actually did read the rest and what a joke... anger. hatred. That is all you have apparently. You toss out trash and that is all you will get in return.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

It is about the legal inequality POST CONCEPTION and PRE BIRTH.

Like I said you are missing the point. Not gonna read anything past this misunderstanding of yours.


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He had his chance to 100% avoid having a child.

You are deliberately skirting this point, and I'm not sure why.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

I actually did read the rest and what a joke... anger. hatred. That is all you have apparently. You toss out trash and that is all you will get in return.

For a crusade (apparently a 10-year one so far?) that will leave children poor and praying every night their Dad will come visit them and slowly just becoming cynical, while encouraging men to be as irresponsible as possible?

I don't know about hatred but yeah, there's definitely a healthy dash of utter disgust in there.

Shouldn't there be?

You're aware that these kids are human beings, right?

No?

Did someone say hatred and trash?

 

[Bodi]

For a crusade (apparently a 10-year one so far?) that will leave children poor and praying every night their Dad will come visit them and slowly just becoming cynical, while encouraging men to be as irresponsible as possible?

I don't know about hatred but yeah, there's definitely a healthy dash of utter disgust in there.

Shouldn't there be?

You're aware that these kids are human beings, right?

No?

Did someone say hatred and trash?

It is a debate topic... not some personal crusade. Ever take a debate class in high school. I had to represent Yemen in a Security Council debate at the MUN once. If you don't want to debate then don't. Leave the personal bullshit out of it. If you want to debate then do so within the parameters. Not that hard.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

It is a debate topic... not some personal crusade. Ever take a debate class in high school. I had to represent Yemen in a Security Council debate at the MUN once. If you don't want to debate then don't. Leave the personal bullshit out of it. If you want to debate then do so within the parameters. Not that hard.

I am debating, point by point. You are answering by not addressing my points and instead taking each post and making one sweeping statement, each of which is starting to get more and more emotional. "You're nothing but hate and anger!! You just hate men! Blah blah."

Ever take a debate class?

 

[Lursa]

You kinda missed the whole point about legal inequality at the specific point of post-conception opt-out.

If the post-conception opt out isnt legally binding, what does it accomplish? How does it accomplish "legal equality?"

 

[Lursa]

No, the legal inequality in your scenario would be that the man could "opt out," have zero responsibility, yet waltz back into the child's life "whenever."

that is irrleevant...

How so? Please explain beyond "na huh". Surely you know with all your Yemeni debate experience...that's not "debate."

Because it means that men do get to choose...in your scheme they get to walk away and then, when and if they want to be fathers, they just walk right back in. They get to do that, right? Yes or no? Whether the woman likes it or not? Yes or no?

Gee whiz, look who's back in control...men. So, where's the inequality?

besides the woman can take off and have the kid and NEVER tell the dad or the kid who the dad was... you really don't want to try and use this as some kind of point because it just makes these women look like Trash

Then I guess the guy doesnt have to worry about the post-conception opt-out if she skips...right? So this makes no sense, it's just an attempt at trying to keep presenting men as victims.

 

[Lursa]

It is about the legal inequality POST CONCEPTION and PRE BIRTH.

Again...what's the purpose of the post-conception/pre-birth opt out if it's not legally binding?

If the opt out isnt legally binding, how does it achieve legal equality?

 

[Lursa]

He had his chance to 100% avoid having a child.

You are deliberately skirting this point, and I'm not sure why.

Because then he doesnt get to have sex. He wants sex with no consequences.

Unlike women, for whom that's not possible, not now, not in the past. But he refuses to acknowledge that inequality...he carefully demands that we leave out the realities of biology...it's ok for women to be victims of the physical consequences of sex as long as men arent victims of the financial (legal) consequences of sex.

 

[Lursa]

For a crusade (apparently a 10-year one so far?) that will leave children poor and praying every night their Dad will come visit them and slowly just becoming cynical, while encouraging men to be as irresponsible as possible?

I don't know about hatred but yeah, there's definitely a healthy dash of utter disgust in there.

Shouldn't there be?

You're aware that these kids are human beings, right?

No?

Did someone say hatred and trash?

He puts it all on the women because women have the final decision on whether or not to have the kid. So "it's all our fault." And he said you hated men?

Forget the kid, who's not at fault at all...as long as the guy can badmouth the woman that HE deliberately risked sleeping with, knowing she had that choice. Cuz...he wanted to get laid.

 

[Bodi]

I am debating, point by point. You are answering by not addressing my points and instead taking each post and making one sweeping statement, each of which is starting to get more and more emotional. "You're nothing but hate and anger!! You just hate men! Blah blah."

Ever take a debate class?

I was calmly telling you that you were missing the point about legal inequality post-conception and pre-birth... and what is ironic is it has been you that has been ramping up the emotion and insults. I merely tried to reflect them back a bit so you would see that it is silly and a waste of time and, hopefully stop. But here you are again insulting and now, copying me about debate.. *shrug*

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

I was calmly telling you that you were missing the point about legal inequality post-conception and pre-birth... and what is ironic is it has been you that has been ramping up the emotion and insults. I merely tried to reflect them back a bit so you would see that it is silly and a waste of time and, hopefully stop. But here you are again insulting and now, copying me about debate.. *shrug*

You were calmly crying that am nothing but full of hat and anger and that I just hate men, noted.

Meanwhile, you have successfully avoided answering the majority of my points. Nice job.

 

[Bodi]

You were calmly crying that am nothing but full of hat and anger and that I just hate men, noted.

Meanwhile, you have successfully avoided answering the majority of my points. Nice job.

Sounds great.

 

[Jagged]

She is responsible for 99.8% of the baby making and 100% the decision to have it.

Hence why women have an option which men don't.

 

[Bodi]

Hence why women have an option which men don't.

I understand. Women should have that right...

What is still not being addressed is why she can force him to pay for her decision, post-conception and pre-birth.

The State already pays tons for people's decisions, and you seem fine with that.

 

[Jagged]

I understand. Women should have that right...

What is still not being addressed is why she can force him to pay for her decision, post-conception and pre-birth.

The State already pays tons for people's decisions, and you seem fine with that.

Because he's the father, duh.

 

[Bodi]

Because he's the father, duh.

That doesn't mean he has to pay... same for her. Neither have to pay, in fact. Try again without the Biological Fallacy.

 

[Jagged]

That doesn't mean he has to pay... same for her. Neither have to pay, in fact. Try again without the Biological Fallacy.

If the baby is born, they are both responsible. Although if they both agree, they can put the baby up for adoption.

 

[Bodi]

If the baby is born, they are both responsible. Although if they both agree, they can put the baby up for adoption.

So, what I said is correct. Neither parent has to pay. Correct?

 

[Lursa]

So, what I said is correct. Neither parent has to pay. Correct?

According to the laws supporting a child's right to both parents providing financial support, no, you're not correct.

Again...what's the purpose of the post-conception/pre-birth opt out if it's not legally binding?

If the opt out isnt legally binding, how does it achieve legal equality?

 

[Bodi]

According to the laws supporting a child's right to both parents providing financial support, no, you're not correct.

So the parents can't let the grandparents pay for and raise the kids? Happens all the time.

The Grandparents that have to raise their grandchildren

www.lifetimeincome.co.nz

Thought so. I am correct. Sorry.

If the opt out isnt legally binding, how does it achieve legal equality?

It would be legally binding... that is the whole point and why biology is irrelevant.

Tootles.. .

 

[Jagged]

So, what I said is correct. Neither parent has to pay. Correct?

It's a post-conception opt out. You said men don't have that.

 

[Bodi]

It's a post-conception opt out. You said men don't have that.

You said they can put it up for adoption... that means the parents do not have to be responsible/pay for, the kid.

Just admit I am correct instead of this retreat thing you are attempting. FFS.


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