Post Conception Opt-Out FOR MEN

[weaver2]

Thi

s is not the place to discuss how much you don't know.

Oh, go ahead, discuss how much more education and knowledge you have than I. Appropriate time or place has never held you back before.

 

[minnie616]

why when the woman doesn't have too?

If a child is born both parents including the mother share the financial child support.

 

[AGENT J]

If a child is born both parents including the mother share the financial child support.

except for the fact a mother can opt out on her own and the father can not

 

[vegas giants]

If a child is born both parents including the mother share the financial child support.

There are many legal exceptions to that rule and men need a new one

 

[Bodi]

Oh, go ahead, discuss how much more education and knowledge you have than I. Appropriate time or place has never held you back before.

I am only discussing it regarding cutting and pasting as it relates to note-taking. I think it is best to stick with one issue at a time. First you need to realize that you are conflating issues. Note-taking/cutting and pasting, and education level, are different issues.

Definition of conflate​

transitive verb
1a: to bring together : FUSE
b: CONFUSE

 

[minnie616]

If a child is born both parents including the mother share the financial child support.

There are many legal exceptions to that rule and men need a new one

except for the fact a mother can opt out on her own and the father can not

Only 1 percent of women in United States gives a newborn up for adoption.

The rest decide to raise the child and the woman cannot opt out of her share of financial support.

 

[AGENT J]

Only 1 percent of women in United States gives a newborn up for adoption.

The rest decide to raise the child and the woman cannot opt out of her share of financial support.

percentage of how many take advantage is meaningless to the fact its not equal and she can in fact opt out by herself through adoption or safe haven laws

 

[Lursa]

More people seem to be agreeing with me than with your lies... LOL

A lot of people were stupid enough to vote for The Donald twice...numbers sure as hell dont make something right.

And you still havent shown ANY lies that I've posted. Seems you are lying then, eh?

 

[Lursa]

You actually don't understand why I brought up cutting and pasting... do you?

You are confusing higher level education with cutting/pasting note-taking. I said that she took notes and kept them for years. She said that she did not take notes... she cut and pasted. I said that cutting and pasting is a form of note-taking. She said that cutting and pasting is not note-taking. I proved that it is a form of note-taking. That is it. It is not a big deal. She was wrong and I proved that by offering evidence. That is how debates work and that just requires a basic high school understanding of what a debate is as well.

It's hysterical that in the middle of a topical discussion...this is all you have to fall back on. Hysterical and pathetic.

You keep on grasping desperately to that, I understand why you need to.

You'll go into great detail on that...but fail to do so to uphold your opt-out idea. Hmmmmm...well no, it's not really a mystery.

Me? I'm happy to see you directly address any of the arguments I used to refute your idea...whatcha got?

 

[minnie616]

percentage of how many take advantage is meaningless to the fact its not equal and she can in fact opt out by herself through adoption or safe haven laws

The 1 percent newborn adoption rate includes adoption through save haven.

And 30 percent of parents have been known to opt out by not paying.

An estimated $10 billion in child support payments going uncollected

Fewer than half of parents with custody get the full amount they're entitled to, and more than a third get nothing

www.cbsnews.com

More than 30 percent of child support payments aren't made, and less than half are paid in full.

 

[AGENT J]

The 1 percent newborn adoption rate includes adoption through save haven.


And 30 percent of men have known to opt out by not paying
More than 30 percent of child support payments aren't made, and less than half are paid in full.

again percentages of wome use their legal option isn't a factor, it doesn't change anything about legal discrimination and inequality . . .the reality is the mother has legal opt out options and the father doesnt.

 

[Bodi]

The 1 percent newborn adoption rate includes adoption through save haven.

And 30 percent of parents have been known to opt out by not paying.

An estimated $10 billion in child support payments going uncollected

Fewer than half of parents with custody get the full amount they're entitled to, and more than a third get nothing

www.cbsnews.com

More than 30 percent of child support payments aren't made, and less than half are paid in full.

What J Says...

the reality is the mother has legal opt out options and the father doesnt.

This ^^^

 

[weaver2]

Male and female human beings evolved with stark biological differences in organs, hormones, bone structure, musculature, brains, auditory and optical awareness and instincts that make it impossible for the law to create equality in every aspect of life. Women are biologically excluded from playing in the NFL, NBA, NHL, etc. Men are biologically excluded from abortion

Arguing about the fait accompli of evolutionary biology is a bit silly. Have the differences been used to inappropriately exclude both male and female from areas of endeavor. Yes, examples abound. However opting out of child support because women can abort a fetus is not one of them.

Legal terminology like "equality under the law" does not change from situation to situation or person to person.

Women have opted out of responsibility by getting an abortion which is the death of a fetus and an end of all responsibility for everyone and every institution forever for that potential child. Equality for men under the law then means the same thing; an end to all responsibility for everyone and every institution.

Only by redefining "equality under the law" to mean men can choose or not choose to accept responsibility for his child can the father opt out of child support. The mother, family, relatives, insurance companies, hospitals, vital statistics bureaus, city services, churches, schools and the state still bear responsibility for the child. That is not equality.

Until we establish a theocratic police state in which men can legally require women to abort a fetus men, along with everybody else, have to support the child he fathered.

You can't change either biology or legal terminology.

 

[AGENT J]

Male and female human beings evolved with stark biological differences in organs, hormones, bone structure, musculature, brains, auditory and optical awareness and instincts that make it impossible for the law to create equality in every aspect of life. Women are biologically excluded from playing in the NFL, NBA, NHL, etc. Men are biologically excluded from abortion

Arguing about the fait accompli of evolutionary biology is a bit silly. Have the differences been used to inappropriately exclude both male and female from areas of endeavor. Yes, examples abound. However opting out of child support because women can abort a fetus is not one of them.

Legal terminology like "equality under the law" does not change from situation to situation or person to person.

Women have opted out of responsibility by getting an abortion which is the death of a fetus and an end of all responsibility for everyone and every institution forever for that potential child. Equality for men under the law then means the same thing; an end to all responsibility for everyone and every institution.

Only by redefining "equality under the law" to mean men can choose or not choose to accept responsibility for his child can the father opt out of child support. The mother, family, relatives, insurance companies, hospitals, vital statistics bureaus, city services, churches, schools and the state still bear responsibility for the child. That is not equality.

Until we establish a theocratic police state in which men can legally require women to abort a fetus men, along with everybody else, have to support the child he fathered.

You can't change either biology or legal terminology.

wow you type all that out, and i wasted time reading it and it changes absolutely nothing about the actual topic at hand . . .NOTHING. Thanks for the entertainment though, that was one funny huge fail LOL

 

[weaver2]

wow you type all that out, and i wasted time reading it and it changes absolutely nothing about the actual topic at hand . . .NOTHING. Thanks for the entertainment though, that was one funny huge fail LOL

You post your thoughts. I post mine and everybody's happy.

 

[Bodi]

You can't change either biology or legal terminology.

Holy cow... we change law and legal terminology all the time.

 

[Bodi]

wow you type all that out, and i wasted time reading it and it changes absolutely nothing about the actual topic at hand . . .NOTHING. Thanks for the entertainment though, that was one funny huge fail LOL

I learned to skip to the end of what people write as if you can not figure it out in the first sentence then they usually sum it up with the last.

I read the first then last and avoided all the rest.

 

[Bodi]

You post your thoughts. I post mine and everybody's happy.

Being happy does not make one right. You post your thoughts and I post my thoughts and my thoughts are correct.

 

[weaver2]

Being happy does not make one right. You post your thoughts and I post my thoughts and my thoughts are correct.

You don't sound like being right makes you happy.

 

[trouble13]

If the man would use a male condom consistently he could avoid 18 years of payments.

But apparently less than 10 percent of men in the United States are being responsible with their fertility.

Whereas 92 percent of women in the United States are being responsible with their fertility.

If a woman kept her legs shut or used birth control she could avoid becoming pregnant

 

[AGENT J]

You post your thoughts. I post mine and everybody's happy.

doesnt change the fact your thoughts are factually meaningless to the actual topic and have no impact lol that entertainment certainly made me happy

 

[Bodi]

You don't sound like being right makes you happy.

Being happy makes me happy...

 

[Bodi]

If a woman kept her legs shut or used birth control she could avoid becoming pregnant

It is the guys fault though and he has to pay for her choice to have sex and for her choice to have a baby that she can not afford or support.

 

[trouble13]

It is the guys fault though and he has to pay for her choice to have sex and for her choice to have a baby that she can not afford or support.

Yup we both know the script they read from. I've been reading their script back to them to defend anti-abortion laws and their reaction to treating women like they treat men has been visceral.

 

[weaver2]

If a woman kept her legs shut or used birth control she could avoid becoming pregnant

So men are not responsible for birth control? That's the woman's job?

You don't seem to understand the concept of responsibility. It works like this:
(a) The party that takes responsibility gets to choose the outcome of the activity.
(b) The party that doesn't take any responsibility doesn't get to choose how things turn out.

So if the woman gets pregnant she gets to choose to maintain the pregnancy or abort. It's her choice because she took responsibility.

People with higher levels of education understand this, along with cutting and pasting.