Post Conception Opt-Out FOR MEN

[Bodi]

And man hate

That is true...

 

[weaver2]

What biological inequality do women face that has legal backing forcing them to do and pay for something that they are against?

Hmm, lets see: anti-abortion laws, child care legislation and laws, for a start.

 

[Bodi]

so you can answer my question then?
this will be big fun but im sure it will run from! LMAO

lets go over the scenario:
Woman is pregnant
woman has my child
now how do I as the man use safe haven laws without the mother's consent or a condition of hers?

The dismantling of @Lursa 's posts continues!!

 

[weaver2]

My...that sounds awfully bigoted of you.

No more bigoted than your interminable whining about equality .

 

[Bodi]

What biological inequality do women face that has legal backing forcing them to do and pay for something that they are against?

Hmm, lets see: anti-abortion laws, child care legislation and laws, for a start.

I ask what biological inequality's (natural) women face and you present two legal (cultural) examples?

Do you not understand the difference or are you just posting lies?

 

[Bodi]

No more bigoted than your whining about equality .

I love it. Complaining about inequality is considered bigoted by you. LOL

 

[Bodi]

Financial responsibility. You don't have to raise the kid, you do have to pay for it.

Incorrect. Women can abort the child or dump it on the State.

Your quote from the medical journal proves that women choose to get abortions in order to opt-out of parenthood,

Yes. Disproving your claim.

not that abortion is okay because women should be allowed to opt out of parenthood.

Nobody is arguing if abortion is OK or not... in fact, everybody is arguing that it is an acceptable legal option. You are merely trying to twist out of your ridiculous claim... or, you don't understand how your claim was incorrect in the first place.

I wasn't talking about why individual women choose to abort their kids. I'm talking about the logical, legal and moral reasoning for allowing abortion to even be an option, which is bodily autonomy.

Straw Man. Nobody is discussing that.

 

[weaver2]

Unbeknownst said:
Financial responsibility. You don't have to raise the kid, you do have to pay for it.

why when the woman doesn't have too?

Biology.

 

[VanceMack]

No more bigoted than your interminable whining about equality .

You do realize your patheitc blathering has literally zero consistency or applicability to the topic and is far more an indicator of someone who perceives that they have, now or at some time in the past, been grabbed by the *****. Right?

 

[danielpalos]

Better contraception at lower cost!

 

[VanceMack]

I love it. Complaining about inequality is considered bigoted by you. LOL

He's just flailing. Its...sad, really.

 

[Unbeknownst]

Yes. Disproving your claim.

I know what my claim was, and it sure as hell wasn't that.

You are merely trying to twist out of your ridiculous claim... or, you don't understand how your claim was incorrect in the first place.

You clearly don't understand what I was claiming.

Straw Man. Nobody is discussing that.

I guess I'm Nobody then

 

[Bodi]

Sure when all you opt-outers stop your immature whining about being treated unfairly.

So you approve of inequality... got it.

It's biology. Women get pregnant. Men can't Women abort responsibility, everybody's responsibility. Men can't. All they can do is opt themselves out. It's biology!

Biology works against women without the law backing them up. Instead of making an irrelevant comment as a rebuttal you should try to understand what I am saying first. Asking questions is a good start.

You called it not I.

So you think that men that do not want a child are sexist assholes that want to oppress women. Got it.

I'm just matching hysterias.

Not with me. I am being rational.

And that's the end of the argument. Tell your whiny friends to start intelligent, respectful relationships and their problems are over.

Can you tell your hysterical friends to stop being irrational about things like the toilet seat being up and to make sure to have dinner ready on time?

Oh come on you've been whining about your inequality for 1849 posts and the first time someone gets sarcastic about your terrible oppression you start whining about being insulted.

First time. LOL. And I am not whining about being insulted. Insult away... what I am doing is pointing out insults in order to show the weakness of your argument.

The fact is you want something that is biologically and legally impossible and you keep making up sillier and sillier laws, contracts, situations, litigations, philosophies

It is both biologically and legally possible. I have already shown that in the OP.

and reasons why you should be allowed to refuse your own child financial support. That's pretty immature. I'm sarcastic.

I am not trying to do anything for me... I am making an argument. That is what this place is for... you should try to stick to facts and not let your emotions get the better of you.

He's just flailing. Its...sad, really.

Agreed...

 

[weaver2]

I love it. Complaining about inequality is considered bigoted by you. LOL

Glad you like it. The bigotry against women is pretty well hidden until you start getting angry about women and sex. Then we get a peek at the angry little bigot under all the oh so rational calls for equality under the law and fairness to men.

 

[weaver2]

You do realize your patheitc blathering has literally zero consistency or applicability to the topic and is far more an indicator of someone who perceives that they have, now or at some time in the past, been grabbed by the *****. Right?

LOL didn't think an example would show up so soon to prove my point.

 

[weaver2]

Better contraception at lower cost!

That's been suggested to the opt-outers. Something sensible hasn't occurred to them yet.

 

[Bodi]

I know what my claim was, and it sure as hell wasn't that.

Women have full control of the pregnancy to birth period because of their right to bodily autonomy. It is not an opt-out from parenthood,

Maybe you can help me out here. What part of the following statistics/facts shows the percentages about women "controlling what is and is not allowed to be in their bodies, babies included" and, "not an opt-out from parenthood"?

Three-quarters said that having a baby would interfere with work, school or other responsibilities,
about two-thirds said they could not afford to have a child and half said they did not want to be a single parent or had relationship problems.
A multivariate analysis showed young teenagers to be
32 percent more likely than women 18 or over to say they were not mature enough to raise a child and
19 percent more likely to say their parents wanted them to have an abortion.
Unmarried women were 17 percent more likely than currently married women to choose abortion to prevent others from knowing they had had sex or became pregnant.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3243347/

Your quote from the medical journal proves that women choose to get abortions in order to opt-out of parenthood, not that abortion is okay because women should be allowed to opt out of parenthood.

 

[Bodi]

Then we get a peek at the angry little bigot

we read your posts and see who the bigot is...

 

[Bodi]

I know what my claim was, and it sure as hell wasn't that.

You clearly don't understand what I was claiming.

I guess I'm Nobody then

Upon re-reading it what you were claiming appears irrelevant. Abortion being OK for any reason is not being discussed here.

 

[Bodi]

Better contraception at lower cost!

When that is available then these debates will not be necessary...

 

[Lursa]

The dismantling of @Lursa 's posts continues!!

He's wrong, as usual. The woman can do so without telling the father. She can make claims that arent true. People break the law all the time. In most states, the laws re: this are equal...that doesnt stop the men or women from breaking them.

LOL another fail for you and your cohorts...and yet, you run like your pants are on fire from where I dismantle yours. Of course, that's because you dont want to acknowledge they're accurate. They remain unchallenged and for anyone else to consider.

That's the beauty of OneNote.

 

[Lursa]

Glad you like it. The bigotry against women is pretty well hidden until you start getting angry about women and sex. Then we get a peek at the angry little bigot under all the oh so rational calls for equality under the law and fairness to men.

It's about resentment and history.

My ex would get lattes and pastry and go to movies then turn around a cry she didn't have money for food or shoes for our kids so I would then buy those too. Luckily she stopped doing that but it was for years...

 

[danielpalos]

That's been suggested to the opt-outers. Something sensible hasn't occurred to them yet.

Capitalism; What is That, Sayeth the right-wing in every thread external to socialism threads. Right-wingers prefer their socialism on a national and international basis to free market Capitalism and eschew capitalism at every capital opportunity.

 

[weaver2]

It's about resentment and history.





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Yeah, that would appear to be the basis of a lot of this "I want to abort my responsibility, too" whine. The vindictiveness is pretty obvious. It's always makes for a longer lasting, more intelligent more considerate relationship when one thinks with their brain rather then some other body part.

 

[Bodi]

Yeah, that would appear to be the basis of a lot of this "I want to abort my responsibility, too" whine.

Lursa lies... this has nothing to do with me but I understand it when those that can not debate fall back on trying to smear their opponent that is better than they are at debating. Most of us notice that it is you two that started making it personal with claims of bigotry, trying to weasel out of child support, etc.