Actually it is you who regulate men to the position of just a sperm donor when you argue that is all you have to donate and cry a river when asked to financially support the result of your donation.
There is, however, a controversial argument that has been swept under the rug. While pro-choice legislation makes the rights of the mother clear, at what point is a father able to say, ‘I do not want this child’? Whether pro-life or pro-choice, we should all be able to agree that the quality of life is just as important as life itself, and when faced with the pivotal decision of whether or not to continue a pregnancy, both parents must be included in the dialogue. If not, ultimately, it is the child who suffers.
Yes, in all of this wrangling and refusal of responsibility it is the child that suffers. Excellent comment.
Won't be a child if the mother does the right thing
So he held her in a prison denying her the right to bodily autonomy and to have an abortion?
Nobody can usurp control over her body... if a child is brought into this world that will suffer it is by her choice.
I know two women who did that. One who intentionally got pregnant knowing she would dump the guy. She literally went out looking for a guy that met her physical specifications and the other woman got pregnant when their plans to have her move off to where he lived failed and suddenly, "surprise! I'm pregnant!!" and he was stuck.
Condom is pre conception. As wrong as they are about conflating a result with a right, they are talking about post conception, which would include if a condom fails. Any discussion of BC in this thread is a red herring.
And I know of a guy that intentionally put a pinhole in his condoms so his girlfriend would get pregnant and not be able to leave for college. And I've read of other men doing it to tie women to them. Even on Law and Order, lol.
That is a legal opinion. Let's let the courts decide
A man can say that at any time. Nothing stops a man from walking out of a marriage and children and never coming back. Divorces happen all the time, dead beat fathers are quite common.
A baby is a child outside of the womb. Neither men or woman have a legal right to kill a baby.
That would be just giving into the myth of being treated as equal. Men have a right to avoid a pregnancy by wearing condoms. Only a woman needs be concerned about making a decision post conception but for men the equality is in their making a good pre conception decision.
Not really. The discussion is about the rights of both post conception, and the equality of those rights. That is why birth control is a red herring. The woman's right to an abortion comes from her bodily autonomy right, and is the exact same rights as a man. As I keep point out to them, equal rights do not automatically mean equal results.
They have repeatedly. Even the Topeka case showed that.
it is not just a discussion of equality of rights. It is also a discussion of responsibility. Women cannot opt out they must make a decision and be responsible for their actions. While these men are asking for the exact opposite. The right to opt out by not being responsible for their own actions.
I'm not 'demonising' women...in line with the question posed in the OP, I'm offering the same 'choices' to men. Why is it that when it comes to responsible coices for babies for men, pro abortionists suddenly shit themselves and freak out?
True...the choices wont ever be truly equal because the woman is the only one that can actually choose to butcher the baby if they find it inconvenient. And the OP isnt suggesting taking that right from the woman...merely sharing responsibility...or lack thereof. Its rather hypocritical to claim that a woman that wants to kill her unborn child can do so, by her own choice, and that the man 1- has no say and 2- should be held accountable...ESPECIALLY when the pro slaughter crowd demands NO accountability from women.
By suggesting that women act just for convenience when actually women are exercising responsibility by making such decisions then yes, it is demonising women. And even ironic when you are actually advocating men should be able to walk away from their own actions for no real reason other than it is convenient for them.
Women DO act for convenience in their decision to slaughter 800,000 unborn children every year in the US alone. Oh sure...there are a handful every year that are a bi-product of incest...another handful that are the result of rapes, and some with legit concerns over the life of the mother in the birthing process. But its silly and just plain a lie to presume that the extreme vast majority of women that choose to abort do so because the baby is an inconvenience.