Post Conception Opt-Out FOR MEN

[vegas giants]

I say, "When a woman consents to sex with a man, he should consider himself a lucky s.o.b., not vice versa," and you call it arrogance. Well, when she consents, even if he uses a condom and there is no risk of an STD, there is still a risk of pregnancy.

In our current society, that means she risks anti-abortion people making it difficult for her to access plan b or a medical abortion if her contraception does not work. Moreover, men are populationally physically stronger than women. In terms of both facts, the woman is risking more of herself and showing more trust than the man in virtually all cases. She is closer to equality without sex.

So you can bet your booty he is lucky: he is not taking as great a risk for her as she is for him.

Any woman who has sex with me should thank her lucky stars that I have gifted her this grand prize


Nah....that's not arrogant. Lol

 

[Peter King]

Exactly. Present the choices to women in a contract before sex. Sign it or not.


But if she signs it she is not a victim


She made a choice

And so did he, my Lucifer/god (Lucifer is god, Neflix), how much more do you blow your own arguments out of the water. And having sex is not a contract, and I never claimed her a victim unless she is forced to abort against her wishes.

And HE ALSO made a choice, the choice to have SEX. Really, how difficult is it, a man and a woman have sex, she gets pregnant. She has the choice to abort or not as she is the one who is PREGNANT, not him. He just put it there. And if she does not have an abortion there is going to be a child. And to make sure that child is not the victim of circumstances, the father of the child has to pay his share in the raising of the child.

If he did not want to do that, he should have not had sex or used appropriate protection.

 

[vegas giants]

And so did he, my Lucifer/god (Lucifer is god, Neflix), how much more do you blow your own arguments out of the water. And having sex is not a contract, and I never claimed her a victim unless she is forced to abort against her wishes.

And HE ALSO made a choice, the choice to have SEX. Really, how difficult is it, a man and a woman have sex, she gets pregnant. She has the choice to abort or not as she is the one who is PREGNANT, not him. He just put it there. And if she does not have an abortion there is going to be a child. And to make sure that child is not the victim of circumstances, the father of the child has to pay his share in the raising of the child.

If he did not want to do that, he should have not had sex or used appropriate protection.

Listen carefully


I want her to sign an actual contract.


If she does.....why cant she be held to it?

 

[Individual]

And if she signed a contract she should be held to that contract.


It's called choice

What contract?

Isn't that what I called it?

 

[vegas giants]

What contract?

Isn't that what I called it?

Read the thread. You always jump into the middle. Catch up

 

[Peter King]

Listen carefully


I want her to sign an actual contract.


If she does.....why cant she be held to it?

Listen carefully, having sex is not a contract thing, but a moment of passion thing. If you think men will take the time to let the blood out of their manhoods flood back into their brains to even think about a contract signing, well then you are talking nonsense.

 

[vegas giants]

Listen carefully, having sex is not a contract thing, but a moment of passion thing. If you think men will take the time to let the blood out of their manhoods flood back into their brains to even think about a contract signing, well then you are talking nonsense.

It is a contract thing in surrogacy cases.


If some men dont want to do it then fine


Just let those that do

 

[Peter King]

It is a contract thing in surrogacy cases.


If some men dont want to do it then fine


Just let those that do

Except this is not a surrogacy thing, this is a horny steamy wet sex thing, where cool minds do not come into it. No man thinks about sex contracts if they are drunk and having a good time with a willing lady which leads into hot steamy sex.

 

[vegas giants]

Except this is not a surrogacy thing, this is a horny steamy wet sex thing, where cool minds do not come into it. No man thinks about sex contracts if they are drunk and having a good time with a willing lady which leads into hot steamy sex.

Do you think this shoukd br discussed the minute before sex? Lol


How about when they begin dating?


Why not let level headed grownups enter into a responsible contract?

 

[Peter King]

Do you think this shoukd br discussed the minute before sex? Lol


How about when they begin dating?
n

Why not let level headed grownups enter into a responsible contract?

Because men and women who have hot sex do not plan the aftermath, because they have other horny thoughts. Men should not get opt outs in any normal situation, that women can have another moment to make a choice is due to biology and the location of the ZEF. All this nonsense about men getting to opt out of their financial responsibility to their child is never going to happen and thank goodness for that.

 

[vegas giants]

Because men and women who have hot sex do not plan the aftermath, because they have other horny thoughts. Men should not get opt outs in any normal situation, that women can have another moment to make a choice is due to biology and the location of the ZEF. All this nonsense about men getting to opt out of their financial responsibility to their child is never going to happen and thank goodness for that.

Listen very closely


If the do plan the aftermath can we not hold them to a contract both signed willingly?


You are running

 

[Individual]

Read the thread. You always jump into the middle. Catch up

As I said, I'd have to see the contract, as written, to comment on it. It may not be a legally binding contract.
A link to it would suffice.

 

[vegas giants]

As I said, I'd have to see the contract, as written, to comment on it. It may not be a legally binding contract.
A link to it would suffice.

Read the thread or not. Up to you

 

[Individual]

Read the thread or not. Up to you

I've seen mention of a contract, but would like to see the full text as it is worded in order to comment on it.
No need to respond further without a link to the contract, unless you just feel a need o post the last word.

 

[vegas giants]

I've seen mention of a contract, but would like to see the full text as it is worded in order to comment on it.
No need to respond further without a link to the contract, unless you just feel a need o post the last word.

Read the thread. I referred to surrogacy contracts as a good starting place. I even gave the states they are used in. Good reading

 

[Individual]

Read the thread. I referred to surrogacy contracts as a good starting place. I even gave the states they are used in. Good reading

But we're not talking about surrogacy.

 

[vegas giants]

But we're not talking about surrogacy.

A surrogacy contract can be a man agrees to have sex with a lesbian so she can have a child. He signs a contract that voids any financial responsibility. I said they could be SIMILIAR to this

 

[Individual]

Listen very closely


If the do plan the aftermath can we not hold them to a contract both signed willingly?


You are running

So there is no currently existing contract you're speaking of.
Perhaps an example of how such a contract would be worded would help.

 

[vegas giants]

So there is no currently existing contract you're speaking of.
Perhaps an example of how such a contract would be worded would help.

Answered this already

 

[maquiscat]

If she just kept her legs closed she would never need an abortion.

If he kept it in his pants, he would never pay child support. It still works both ways.

 

[maquiscat]

A vasectomy is the best opt out solution I can think of.

Still has a failure rate. Testicles removal is 100% though. If he's not man enough to take care of his offspring then he doesn't need them.

 

[vegas giants]

If he kept it in his pants, he would never pay child support. It still works both ways.

You make my point for me

 

[maquiscat]

I would support a law allowing the man to opt out by accepting an 18 year prison term instead, along with a mandatory vasectomy.

So instead of the tax payer footing the care of the child, they are footing the care of the deadbeat dad AND the child?

 

[Individual]

So instead of the tax payer footing the care of the child, they are footing the care of the deadbeat dad AND the child?

That's another issue and I've proposed ways we could nearly eliminate any costs of running our prison system.
But let's not change this threads topic.

 

[maquiscat]

I like how many of you guys keep blaming the guy for getting her pregnant because he was too irresponsible to wear a condom and then when I counter that she is not using protection... gee, of course she does. When she got pregnant it was an accident. When he got her pregnant it was irresponsible... poor victim, then woman LOL

Dead beat guy... noble woman

The issue of birth control is a red herring to the topic at hand. Regardless of the disagreement between us, it is clear that the issue is of rights after a pregnancy occurs. It doesn't matter whether the pregnancy is planned or nor, or whether it occurred due to failed or missing birth control, or even whether or not the offspring is in the biomother's womb or that of an IVF surrogate. The issue is what are the rights once pregnancy occurs, and are they equal between men and women. Anyone who is bringing birth control into this is guilty of red herring fallacy.