Post Conception Opt-Out FOR MEN

[Individual]

Women get to avoid all the consequences with a simple pill



Men are stuck for 18 years



Man you hate men

As do men with a simple condom.

 

[vegas giants]

As do men with a simple condom.

As do women with a simple pill

 

[Lursa]

It can never be perfectly equal but we can make it more equitable

It's not remotely equitable for the tax payers, who had nothing to do with the creation of that kid. We're already paying for hundreds of thousands in foster care...for the deadbeat parents that dont pay up, the addicts, the ones in jail, etc...there is less to go to those kids who DONT have parents that can pay. The well isnt bottomless...it means other kids will do with less if men can just skip out, again, on their spawn. The law requires that the people responsible for creating the kid should also pay for it when possible. That seems fair, doesnt it?

And again, you have admitted that men should be held accountable for the decision to risk pregnancy...so what's the problem? That it sucks? Yeah, I'm sure it does...so then men should act accordingly when they are making their decision, just like women have to. A woman that doesnt believe in abortion would also be 'stuck' with a kid. There's no inequality....

 

[vegas giants]

It's not remotely equitable for the tax payers, who had nothing to do with the creation of that kid. We're already paying for hundreds of thousands in foster care...for the deadbeat parents that dont pay up, the addicts, the ones in jail, etc...there is less to go to those kids who DONT have parents that can pay. The well isnt bottomless...it means other kids will do with less if men can just skip out, again, on their spawn. The law requires that the people responsible for creating the kid should also pay for it when possible. That seems fair, doesnt it?

And again, you have admitted that men should be held accountable for the decision to risk pregnancy...so what's the problem? That it sucks? Yeah, I'm sure it does...so then men should act accordingly when they are making their decision, just like women have to. A woman that doesnt believe in abortion would also be 'stuck' with a kid. There's no inequality....



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It's not remotely equitable for childless taxpayers to pay for schools but they do


This has nothing to do with tax payers

I'm glad you agree men need a male opt out


It's good to have you on board

 

[AGENT J]

Simply put, women have the choice to opt out of parenthood. Men do not. Therefore, not equal.

Can't put it any clearer than that.

Thank you for playing.

that doesn't answer my question at all
you said pro-choice situation not parenthood?

so how would one make the same argument in regard to the inequality of the current "pro-choice" situation?
What's the inequality of the pro-choice situation?

 

[Lursa]

It's not remotely equitable for childless taxpayers to pay for schools but they do

Completely different law but the basis is similar...it's for the greater good of society if kids are educated. It's also for the greater good of society if children have their needs met and that the kids in foster care dont go with less.

This has nothing to do with tax payers

Why do you lie? If the custodial parent files for public assistance, who do you think pays if the non-custodial parent doesnt?

I'm glad you agree men need a male opt out
t's good to have you on board

Back to this lying gibberish again, eh?

Your posting in bad faith is obvious to all...it's your M.O. whenever you're failing...which is much of the time...why do you drag it out so?

 

[nucky9]

I do advocate for abortion rights


And the right for a man to opt out post conception


It can never be perfectly equal but we can make it more equitable

So you believe that both men and women should have the right to opt out of parenthood, and at any time? Either should be able to stop caring for the baby at any time? Neither should be held responsible for any neglect or harm done to the baby?

 

[vegas giants]

Completely different law but the basis is similar...it's for the greater good of society if kids are educated. It's also for the greater good of society if children have their needs met and that the kids in foster care dont go with less.


Why do you lie? If the custodial parent files for public assistance, who do you think pays if the non-custodial parent doesnt?


Back to this lying gibberish again, eh?

Ahhhh equity goes out the window. Lol


It is for the greater good of society that we have a Male opt out



Welcome aboard

 

[vegas giants]

So you believe that both men and women should have the right to opt out of parenthood, and at any time? Either should be able to stop caring for the baby at any time? Neither should be held responsible for any neglect or harm done to the baby?

No. Certainly not at anytime. That would be ridiculous. I think prior to sex or up until the end of the first 20 weeks would be fine

 

[Lursa]

Ahhhh equity goes out the window. Lol

The 'equity' is your baseless fantasy and already tossed on the garbage heap. Men are the ONLY ones that can violate their own 'right' to fatherhood. Unless the state forces them to have sex?

Ah, this 'equality thing' is just the gift that keeps on giving!

It is for the greater good of society that we have a Male opt out

Nope, that only serves selfish, irresponsible men who cowardly dont accept the consequences of their decisions.

Welcome aboard

Your posting in bad faith is obvious to all...it's your M.O. whenever you're failing...which is much of the time...why do you drag it out so?

 

[vegas giants]

The 'equity' is your baseless fantasy and already tossed on the garbage heap. Men are the ONLY ones that can violate their own 'right' to fatherhood. Unless the state forces them to have sex?

Ah, this 'equality thing' is just the gift that keeps on giving!



Nope, that only serves selfish, irresponsible men who cowardly dont accept the consequences of their decisions.


Your posting in bad faith is obvious to all...it's your M.O. whenever you're failing...which is much of the time...why do you drag it out so?


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Your opinion is noted and dismissed

 

[Lursa]

No. Certainly not at anytime. That would be ridiculous. I think prior to sex or up until the end of the first 20 weeks would be fine

Odd that it's 'equal' before sex or up to 20 weeks, but not after that?

Huh, what makes it not necessary to be 'equal' after 20 weeks?

 

[vegas giants]

Odd that it's 'equal' before sex or up to 20 weeks, but not after that?

Huh, what makes it not necessary to be 'equal' after 20 weeks?



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Well the woman needs time to enforce her choice as well


I am pro choice.....you are not

 

[Lursa]

Your opinion is noted and dismissed

Good lord, you've taken to posting Mycroft's tagline!

LOL I already told you, your opinion is so meaningless that I dont care. It just shows your arguments have failed.

 

[vegas giants]

Good lord, you've taken to posting Mycroft's tagline!

LOL I already told you, your opinion is so meaningless that I dont care. It just shows your arguments have failed.


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Thanks for sharing

 

[Lursa]

Well the woman needs time to enforce her choice as well

Nah, nice try. 97.5% of all abortions take place well before that. Those later are mostly for medical reasons.

And again...what would that have to do with "equality?"

I am pro choice.....you are not

Lying again? Tsk tsk, when you are drowning you should close your mouth, not open it to lie further. Your desperate M.O. is shining bright.

 

[vegas giants]

Nah, nice try. 97.5% of all abortions take place well before that. Those later are mostly for medical reasons.

And again...what would that have to do with "equality?"


Lying again? Tsk tsk, when you are drowning you should close your mouth, not open it to lie further. Your desperate M.O. is shining bright.







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Well that is not 100% is it. Lol


I'm starting to feel bad for you

 

[Lursa]

Thanks for sharing

Your M.O. of failure, spot on.

 

[vegas giants]

Your M.O. of failure, spot on.

I accept your concession

 

[Lursa]

Well that is not 100% is it. Lol

So now you cant support your 'equality' argument at all?

Please try again:

Odd that it's 'equal' before sex or up to 20 weeks, but not after that?​

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Huh, what makes it not necessary to be 'equal' after 20 weeks?​

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I think that this bit here has pretty much seen your 'equality' claim crash and burn...since when do arbitrary time limits matter to equality?

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[Lursa]

I accept your concession

Your M.O. of failure, spot on.

 

[vegas giants]

So now you cant support your 'equality' argument at all?

Please try again:

Odd that it's 'equal' before sex or up to 20 weeks, but not after that?​

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Huh, what makes it not necessary to be 'equal' after 20 weeks?​

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I think that this bit here has pretty much seen your 'equality' claim crash and burn...since when do arbitrary time limits matter to equality?

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No clue what you are on about with equal????

 

[nucky9]

No. Certainly not at anytime. That would be ridiculous. I think prior to sex or up until the end of the first 20 weeks would be fine

Again, you are conflating the right to have the baby with the responsibility to care for it - they aren't the same thing. But, just to be clear, you believe that if the baby is born, only the woman has an obligation at that point?

 

[vegas giants]

Again, you are conflating the right to have the baby with the responsibility to care for it - they aren't the same thing. But, just to be clear, you believe that if the baby is born, only the woman has an obligation at that point?

If the man opted out then she also could gave opted out thru adoption or abortion.


If she says I want it anyway that is her choice to be responsible

 

[Lursa]

No clue what you are on about with equal????

Yes, I've known that for sometime.

But if you want to revert back to 'civil' right...which you have insisted men should have an equal right to opt out of parenthood...same question: Why should men have that imaginary 'civil right' before sex or right up to 20 weeks only?