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Portland protester describes beating by federal officers

I'm trying to get a read on what you are getting at. I wasn't sure whether you were being sarcastic. Speaking for myself, the 2a gives me the right to keep and bear arms. I'm a CCW holder and can carry in most of the states I go to. Again, I don't know what a bugaloo boy is, and I don't care. I do know that during the Rodney King riots, the rioters didn't attack the Korean stores because they were on the roofs with rifles. I saw here in Baltimore buildings being destroyed, people getting beat senseless, and we were told the police are not coming in 2015. I served my country in the marines, I risked my life in the FD for 25 years, and I'll be damned if I'll let a mob of screeching nitwits attack me and mine. I have the right to defend my family, at least for the time being. I hope we don't loose those God given rights.

I support responsible gun ownership. But surely you recall the massive NRA campaigns about why the second amendment is important. One of its arguments was to protect against EXACTLY what trump is attempting to do in Portland.

Funny how trump et.al. claim their coronovirus responses is largely a function of states rights, but when it comes to civil unrest, states rights are ignored.
I realize that its perfectly legal given the Patriot Act, but who ever thought a fascist lying crook could become president.
 
I support responsible gun ownership. But surely you recall the massive NRA campaigns about why the second amendment is important. One of its arguments was to protect against EXACTLY what trump is attempting to do in Portland.

Funny how trump et.al. claim their coronovirus responses is largely a function of states rights, but when it comes to civil unrest, states rights are ignored.
I realize that its perfectly legal given the Patriot Act, but who ever thought a fascist lying crook could become president.

The trouble is the left is so purblind from hatred of orange man that they cannot see that what Trump is doing is not only legal, not anything like tyranny and lastly much needed to restore law and order. These people are breaking established law while the local authorities sit on their hands. If you don't like laws protecting property go ahead and lobby to change them. Good luck with that.
 
A political party may align with your wants but not everyone will agree with those wants. But tomorrow the political platform could shift like it did in the Republican party and like it did in the Democrat party. Either way a political party never represents the entire nation. A political party always by design disenfranchises those not buying into their political platform. When our government has one party controlling all three branches of the Government that party will dictate their wants onto those not in their political party.

Take current politics for example, look at Trump and the Republicans they are positioning to take over the Supreme court. Make no mistake the Democrat party wants to do the same. The US Constitution proclaims that the justices shall hold their offices during good behaviour. Bias in any form is not good behavior for any judge. Which means that the existence of political parties in the Supreme court is a Constitutional crisis.

I Agree... that's why I said... the YOUNGER Generation will come to those conclusions, as to the "tag line" comment on your post.

Long, Long Ago ... these separations came to be what created Political Parties, for a few reason...

(1). We had a generally uneducated population...

~ (A). We had the Wealthy who wanted Business and Industry concerns to be before Person and Community concerns.
~ (B). We had another group who wanted Person and Community concerns to be before Business and Industry concerns.

Each Group ... Developed into "Lobbying Factions"... better known as "Political Parties"

Each having an interpretation for their objectives, as to how they interpreted the PRINCIPLE of FACT as to why "THE PREAMBLE" was set forth, and the Articles of the Constitution was established. Their individual objectives skewed the base principle of unity.
That Unity was Principle in Value to ensure we have a COHESIVE means to achieve the Principles of what The Declaration of Independence, Declared; and Uphold the Values, The Preamble set forth. The Unity of No Party was to abide by The Constitutions Articles to ensure that we have a Republic Form of Representative Governance.

UNFORTUNATELY, these Parties... tried to set up to "corral the Majority Vote" to push their PARTY Agenda, Instead of simply supporting The Constitution for Person and Nation.

We saw in our generation, the bastardization to claim "Corporation" as if its "Person". That became a Tragedy that was and is more atrocious to the nation, that the early separations as listed above as (A) & (B).

Not only did Corporations and Industry have independent Lobbyist who had a Political Party to Promote their Agenda, The Other Party countered with Lobbyist to Promote their Agenda. Each then Developed "Caucuses" to decide policy and elect leaderships.

This long running game of pitting "Business and Industry" vs "Person and Nation" is where we find ourselves today.

The question the Youth WILL resolve will be...

~ (a) Persons and Nation, support and make Business and Industry Functions
~ (b) Business and Industry support Persons and Nation to Function

I think the young people as they are today, coming to learn... business and industry come and go, but "people remain".. without people, there is no business and there is no industry.
They have also witnessed the act of "Business and Industry" setting up "Offshore" and causing devastation to People and Nation, after people and nation invested to help grow and prosper the business and industry.

When People come first and Nation comes first, the Business and Industry serves the cause of the people by the peoples labors put into what business produce, market and sell.

Business and Industry, IGNORANCE Federal Laws... No longer do business abide by the principles of % of their business must purchase local to support the localized community they are housed. Today, business produce on foreign soil, so they have no obligation to purchase within their localized community, what they do purchase is minimal and often less than what can sustain their support to and for community.

Long ago, Business contributed back into communities in multiple ways, we saw it in the support of children programs, community centers and many other ways, including their banking and other matters that helps support community which in turn supported people. It was the People labor that gave the business the means to prosper.

This is a entangled mess, but now... the young people of today are far more educated than generations before them, they have seen the mess that business and industry has made and the devastation caused when policy supports industry above people.
 
Young people have come to learn much ... and within their learning they see the investment by city, county and state when corporations set up shop. they also see the damages when companies close and relocate on foreign soil. When people's funds go to support industry, its not for the industry to up and move, but for legacy investments so their future generations have legacy industry they can support with their labors.

The World will change... and so too will America Governance in how it functions, it will serve the people, and the people then can serve industry and business with their labor, but the business and industry won't be able to usurp the voice of the people. Then we will return to the principle laid out in the founding documents.

People of Society, do not crash business and industry, it is crashed by the greed of the people who head business and industry, and that crash damages People and Society.

The Paradigm has to change... because society is not functioning in the future from an uneducated mass. This is why Education is Conducive to Prospering a System of Democracy, where each individual's voice counts, and people will learn and no better how to elect Representative in our House and Senate. The Role of the President, will return to one that acts by Advise and Consent... and Never Again will America see anything even remote as Dictatorial and Autocratic as what Trump and Republican have done to damage our System of Governance, Our Society and the Agencies and Organizations, and certainly not promote the vile Divisiveness that is currently done.
 
The trouble is the left is so purblind from hatred of orange man that they cannot see that what Trump is doing is not only legal, not anything like tyranny and lastly much needed to restore law and order. These people are breaking established law while the local authorities sit on their hands. If you don't like laws protecting property go ahead and lobby to change them. Good luck with that.

Its exactly like tyranny despite it being legal. He isn't restoring law and order, he is inciting more civil unrest. Its a bull**** political stunt that while legal tramples state rights.
 
Young people have come to learn much ... and within their learning they see the investment by city, county and state when corporations set up shop. they also see the damages when companies close and relocate on foreign soil. When people's funds go to support industry, its not for the industry to up and move, but for legacy investments so their future generations have legacy industry they can support with their labors.

The World will change... and so too will America Governance in how it functions, it will serve the people, and the people then can serve industry and business with their labor, but the business and industry won't be able to usurp the voice of the people. Then we will return to the principle laid out in the founding documents.

People of Society, do not crash business and industry, it is crashed by the greed of the people who head business and industry, and that crash damages People and Society.

The Paradigm has to change... because society is not functioning in the future from an uneducated mass. This is why Education is Conducive to Prospering a System of Democracy, where each individual's voice counts, and people will learn and no better how to elect Representative in our House and Senate. The Role of the President, will return to one that acts by Advise and Consent... and Never Again will America see anything even remote as Dictatorial and Autocratic as what Trump and Republican have done to damage our System of Governance, Our Society and the Agencies and Organizations, and certainly not promote the vile Divisiveness that is currently done.

Just need the right kind of education. The education of self reliance. The crap being taught at out universities is not conducive to a strong country.

The world will change and it won't be for the better. Fortunately the older generations won't have to see it. Right now we have a struggle where the young and dumb are too anxious to have the olders gone and jumped the gun. Had they waited another 15 years or so there would be no resistance and the country could follow the path of Venezuela seamlessly. Right now the boomers still have too muich fight in them to the chagrin of the young "knowlegables". Youth always believes themselves to be smart and enlightened and they never are.

The rub is had they waited they may have wised up by then.
 
Just need the right kind of education. The education of self reliance. The crap being taught at out universities is not conducive to a strong country.

The world will change and it won't be for the better. Fortunately the older generations won't have to see it. Right now we have a struggle where the young and dumb are too anxious to have the olders gone and jumped the gun. Had they waited another 15 years or so there would be no resistance and the country could follow the path of Venezuela seamlessly. Right now the boomers still have too muich fight in them to the chagrin of the young "knowlegables". Youth always believes themselves to be smart and enlightened and they never are.

The rub is had they waited they may have wised up by then.

Don't underestimate the ability of individual to pursue individual learning to augment the script programming, to pursue the "truth"...
I do not discount the wisdom of the Old, whom are aware and wise... but neither this generation nor the one before it served themselves by following the history of folklore confabultations. It has always been those who learned from the aware and the wise... who have marched forth to make better society.

The Civil Rights Movement is Conclusive Proof of that fact. They learned from the Old, whom were aware and wise, and through that awareness and wisdom saw the wrongs of the past and saw the vile that was promoted by those who relied on folklore confabulations... and the Civil Rights Movenment Changed The World ...FOR THE BETTER... Now... 56 Yrs Later... the Whole World has seen the Murder of George Floyd on a public street by the systems born from folklore confabulated promotions of vile and racist madness... and the Whole World not just of the young, but those middle aged who have watched this madness with want to change, and they have the old who are aware and wise who stand behind them and with them, Globally.
The system set up by "White Nationalist Ideals and The Agenda of White Nationalism of Wealthy White Male Dominance, is facing the wrath of a society of white, black, brow and people of every culture, country of origin and nationality of individual... is standing for the demise of White Nationalism and its damages done to Nation and People.

See .. the stuff you are saying is the same that was said, before, and ruing the civil rights marches... and fact is, Civil Rights Marches turned out for the betterment of society.
These progressive steps have been within change process in American for Centuries and Decades, the same as America stood against the British, the same as Union workers stood against Corporate Abuse, the Same as Women's Marches stood against Abuse and Suffrage. It takes people to protest to change systems, and we are going to see a change to the Systems, not just in American but around the world.

The Economics of America can't be solely tied to White Male Dominance, because we see the damages that has caused over centuries, The Laws of America can't be focused to give leeway and concessions to the wealthy while arresting, brutalizing and killing the poor, both black and white, The Justice Department can't dish out time and incarceration in years and decades to the poor, both black and white, while only dishing out time to the wealthy, in days, weeks, and months.
 
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I support responsible gun ownership. But surely you recall the massive NRA campaigns about why the second amendment is important. One of its arguments was to protect against EXACTLY what trump is attempting to do in Portland.

Funny how trump et.al. claim their coronovirus responses is largely a function of states rights, but when it comes to civil unrest, states rights are ignored.
I realize that its perfectly legal given the Patriot Act, but who ever thought a fascist lying crook could become president.

Trump is exercising remarkable restraint. We are in an odd era, where the local government prohibit the PD protect the citizens from rioters destrying anything in their path. They are fire bombing government buildings, and attacking the police. Seattle had two people murdered in the "police free zone", many buildings destroyed and the police precinct over run, looted and destroyed. And the mayor still refused to allow the law to protect those being attacked, and refused federal help. Of course it was a different story when the "mostly peaceful protesters" came to her house. When that happened, she sent the police in and shut it all down. That's the problem with the democrat politicians that "stand by the protesters". I wonder if, now that it's obvious these self serving dolts are allowing the citizens they were elected to protect, to be attacked and their property destroyed, will they reelect them. It will be interesting. It's pathetic that before they will accept help from "orange man bad", they would rather their citizens and their property be destroyed.
 
Trump is exercising remarkable restraint. We are in an odd era, where the local government prohibit the PD protect the citizens from rioters destrying anything in their path. They are fire bombing government buildings, and attacking the police. Seattle had two people murdered in the "police free zone", many buildings destroyed and the police precinct over run, looted and destroyed. And the mayor still refused to allow the law to protect those being attacked, and refused federal help. Of course it was a different story when the "mostly peaceful protesters" came to her house. When that happened, she sent the police in and shut it all down. That's the problem with the democrat politicians that "stand by the protesters". I wonder if, now that it's obvious these self serving dolts are allowing the citizens they were elected to protect, to be attacked and their property destroyed, will they reelect them. It will be interesting. It's pathetic that before they will accept help from "orange man bad", they would rather their citizens and their property be destroyed.

Trump is a Tyrannical Motivated Bigot, trying to sustain the ideals he grew up with of Wealthy White Male Dominance of Societies Economics, Civic and Civil Society, and seeking to exercise Autocratic authority from a platform of plutocratic dominance with disregard for American Democracy. .

Besides, stop spewing spin... These protesters are not destroying anything.... they are going to continue to remove symbols of racist bigots and their plutocracy tyrannical symbolism.

The only people who can't understand that is the enabler of racist bigots who have been serf groomed to worship plutocratic autocracy of wealthy white male dominance.
 
Trump is exercising remarkable restraint. We are in an odd era, where the local government prohibit the PD protect the citizens from rioters destrying anything in their path. They are fire bombing government buildings, and attacking the police. Seattle had two people murdered in the "police free zone", many buildings destroyed and the police precinct over run, looted and destroyed. And the mayor still refused to allow the law to protect those being attacked, and refused federal help. Of course it was a different story when the "mostly peaceful protesters" came to her house. When that happened, she sent the police in and shut it all down. That's the problem with the democrat politicians that "stand by the protesters". I wonder if, now that it's obvious these self serving dolts are allowing the citizens they were elected to protect, to be attacked and their property destroyed, will they reelect them. It will be interesting. It's pathetic that before they will accept help from "orange man bad", they would rather their citizens and their property be destroyed.

Remarkable restraint for a fascist dictator, perhaps. Keep trying hard to justify an anonymous federal police force masquerading as wannabe soldiers entering into communities without ANY accountability to local authorities and immediately starts flinging tear gas, rubber bullets, beatings and sweeping up people off the streets.
All in the name of saving property and preventing tens of thousand of portland citizens from death and anarchy.

FREEDOM and LIBERTY seem very different concepts in trumpland, versus the rest of America, and most of the industrialized world for that matter.
 
Don't underestimate the ability of individual to pursue individual learning to augment the script programming, to pursue the "truth"...
I do not discount the wisdom of the Old, whom are aware and wise... but neither this generation nor the one before it served themselves by following the history of folklore confabultations. It has always been those who learned from the aware and the wise... who have marched forth to make better society.

The Civil Rights Movement is Conclusive Proof of that fact. They learned from the Old, whom were aware and wise, and through that awareness and wisdom saw the wrongs of the past and saw the vile that was promoted by those who relied on folklore confabulations... and the Civil Rights Movenment Changed The World ...FOR THE BETTER... Now... 56 Yrs Later... the Whole World has seen the Murder of George Floyd on a public street by the systems born from folklore confabulated promotions of vile and racist madness... and the Whole World not just of the young, but those middle aged who have watched this madness with want to change, and they have the old who are aware and wise who stand behind them and with them, Globally.
The system set up by "White Nationalist Ideals and The Agenda of White Nationalism of Wealthy White Male Dominance, is facing the wrath of a society of white, black, brow and people of every culture, country of origin and nationality of individual... is standing for the demise of White Nationalism and its damages done to Nation and People.

See .. the stuff you are saying is the same that was said, before, and ruing the civil rights marches... and fact is, Civil Rights Marches turned out for the betterment of society.
These progressive steps have been within change process in American for Centuries and Decades, the same as America stood against the British, the same as Union workers stood against Corporate Abuse, the Same as Women's Marches stood against Abuse and Suffrage. It takes people to protest to change systems, and we are going to see a change to the Systems, not just in American but around the world.

The Economics of America can't be solely tied to White Male Dominance, because we see the damages that has caused over centuries, The Laws of America can't be focused to give leeway and concessions to the wealthy while arresting, brutalizing and killing the poor, both black and white, The Justice Department can't dish out time and incarceration in years and decades to the poor, both black and white, while only dishing out time to the wealthy, in days, weeks, and months.

The world is a crappy place and always has been. Much worse than today really. The double edged sword of modern instant communication is partly responsible. On one hand we know things instantly on the other hand things can seem much worse in the larger picture than they actually are. It may be impossible to make society much better than it currently is. Most places in this country are peaceful, respectful and honorable. Most people are too, left and right. You just can't get to 100% but magnifying the bad and whipping people up into a frenzy isn't the answer. But it is a strong tool for those craving power Honestly I'm not sure that the internet with all it's glory and benefits is a net positive for the world. Orange man has issues but he's not nearly the evil the far left claims. Nor the savior the far right claims. So the extremes fight it out while the 70% of truly moderate folks just go about their lives. Hard to believe we have been at war for 20 straight years isn't it? Strange times indeed.
 
The world is a crappy place and always has been. Much worse than today really. The double edged sword of modern instant communication is partly responsible. On one hand we know things instantly on the other hand things can seem much worse in the larger picture than they actually are. It may be impossible to make society much better than it currently is. Most places in this country are peaceful, respectful and honorable. Most people are too, left and right. You just can't get to 100% but magnifying the bad and whipping people up into a frenzy isn't the answer. But it is a strong tool for those craving power Honestly I'm not sure that the internet with all it's glory and benefits is a net positive for the world. Orange man has issues but he's not nearly the evil the far left claims. Nor the savior the far right claims. So the extremes fight it out while the 70% of truly moderate folks just go about their lives. Hard to believe we have been at war for 20 straight years isn't it? Strange times indeed.
Here's how leftist scum show their true nature. Retired Marine who marched into Portland chaos with American flag says he was attacked by Antifa members | On Air Videos | Fox News
 
The world is a crappy place and always has been. Much worse than today really. The double edged sword of modern instant communication is partly responsible. On one hand we know things instantly on the other hand things can seem much worse in the larger picture than they actually are. It may be impossible to make society much better than it currently is. Most places in this country are peaceful, respectful and honorable. Most people are too, left and right. You just can't get to 100% but magnifying the bad and whipping people up into a frenzy isn't the answer. But it is a strong tool for those craving power Honestly I'm not sure that the internet with all it's glory and benefits is a net positive for the world. Orange man has issues but he's not nearly the evil the far left claims. Nor the savior the far right claims. So the extremes fight it out while the 70% of truly moderate folks just go about their lives. Hard to believe we have been at war for 20 straight years isn't it? Strange times indeed.

There are challenges with the Internet, but that too will have to refine its processes, more and more is being addressed everyday regarding false information and misleading people.... the changes that come will make people accountable for what they post. when that happens, people will have to "think" and read, research, learn and grow, befor ethey click the button to submit, or save and post. The ignorance of people is why many regulations are set in place, and its no different with the internet, 'willful ignorance" will force the regulations to become promoted for truthful discourse in what people post. That means people will have to "learn" rather than spew opinions, wrapped in bias and bigotry and racism and greed, and malice... So, let the people NOT complain when "regulation come".... because "Free Speech" has to be RESPONSIBLE, to remain being Free.
there is never any Freedom without Responsibility any place on earth or for all we know, in heaven or hell as well.
Responsibility will always be the factors that determines the levels of what Freedoms people have.

The point is to Make A Better Nation

 
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But they do wear identification. Shoulder insignia. Unmarked vehicles is not an issue.

The ones who pulled the guy into a van...had nothing on them marking who they were...the uniform was fatigues and simply said police....so, there is no way of knowing if the person is truly a police officer.
 
The scumbag rioters in Portland are not making the country better in any way.

No they are Not going to make it better for anyone who is desperate to cling to the format of the past....
 
The ones who pulled the guy into a van...had nothing on them marking who they were...the uniform was fatigues and simply said police....so, there is no way of knowing if the person is truly a police officer.

What do you expect? The officers name and social security number? How would you know that isn't faked?
 
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