Portland police union boss slams Oregon gov candidate's claim about defund police stance: 'Simply not true'

[Schism]

Portland police union boss slams Oregon gov candidate's claim about defund police stance: 'Simply not true'The Portland Police Association’s president on Thursday criticized Oregon gubernatorial candidate Tina Kotek for claiming during the previous night’s debate that she has always been a supporter of law enforcement.

Kotek, a Democrat, made the comments during a debate with her challengers – Republican Christine Drazan and independent Betsy Johnson. On the question of funding law enforcement to combat crime, Kotek said: "When people call 911, they need to feel safe and have the right response at the right time. I've always supported our state police."

Democratic gubernatorial candidate Tina Kotek speaks to supporters in Portland, Ore., after she won Oregon's Democratic primary election on May 17, 2022. (AP Photo/Craig Mitchelldyer, File)
The Democrat continued, asserting that she has always been a supporter of the police and law enforcement.

"That is just simply not true," Sgt. Aaron Schmautz said during an interview with Fox News Digital.

He accused Kotek, a former state lawmaker, of being overly critical of Portland police officers when the city was dealing with 180 straight days of rioting.

"On one such occasion, (Kotek) responded that the police response to an overt attempt to burn down a building – that was adjacent to multiple businesses and houses – was ‘just an empty building,’ and that the force used to defend that building was inappropriate," Schmautz said. "I think that just demonstrated a lack of focus. And it demonstrated a lack of support for law enforcement."

When you go to vote, don't forget that democrats ran interference for over a year during the riots.

These people are frauds and liars.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

Portland police union boss slams Oregon gov candidate's claim about defund police stance: 'Simply not true'The Portland Police Association’s president on Thursday criticized Oregon gubernatorial candidate Tina Kotek for claiming during the previous night’s debate that she has always been a supporter of law enforcement.


When you go to vote, don't forget that democrats ran interference for over a year during the riots.

These people are frauds and liars.

So some yammerhead has an opinion?

BFHD

 

[Schism]

So some yammerhead has an opinion?

BFHD

Don't forget, this person has stated on numerous occasions that he wants chaos and anarchy.

This is today's Democratic Party. Don't vote for them..

 

[Lord of Planar]

Portland police union boss slams Oregon gov candidate's claim about defund police stance: 'Simply not true'The Portland Police Association’s president on Thursday criticized Oregon gubernatorial candidate Tina Kotek for claiming during the previous night’s debate that she has always been a supporter of law enforcement.


When you go to vote, don't forget that democrats ran interference for over a year during the riots.

These people are frauds and liars.

Yes they are. Living in Portland, the Portland police were never for the common citizen. They simply don't care about crimes the common people report. They have been excessively violent like other departments across the nation. Crime is far more rampant that the national statistics suggest, because most crime are no longer reported. It's a waste of time.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Yes they are. Living in Portland, the Portland police were never for the common citizen. They simply don't care about crimes the common people report. They have been excessively violent like other departments across the nation. Crime is far more rampant that the national statistics suggest, because most crime are no longer reported. It's a waste of time.

No offense, but do you know this to be true or are you parroting? You live - or have lived -n Portland, I would be lead to believe by your given location. Did you personally experience the police not taking information when people reported criminality, or not acting on it? Take into account the manpower, amount of crime, and the triaging that becomes required in large cities. You attempt to to everything but as more important matters that involve life over property, etc, issues get moved down the stack as new items come in that are of higher priority. That is simply how it has to be.

So, asking politely, is this how you personally know it to be with evidence you actually have to back it up, npt opinion, or is it that: opinion?

I ask because I am retired professional law enforcement and I have experienced both times when the public has had a real case to make with actual facts to back it up, and others when there was a lot of opinion stating but not a lot of evidence to back it up. There was a lot more of the latter than the former.

 

[Lord of Planar]

No offense, but do you know this to be true or are you parroting? You live - or have lived -n Portland, I would be lead to believe by your given location. Did you personally experience the police not taking information when people reported criminality, or not acting on it? Take into account the manpower, amount of crime, and the triaging that becomes required in large cities. You attempt to to everything but as more important matters that involve life over property, etc, issues get moved down the stack as new items come in that are of higher priority. That is simply how it has to be.

So, asking politely, is this how you personally know it to be with evidence you actually have to back it up, npt opinion, or is it that: opinion?

Some years ago, I had an individual destroyng my property when I let his ex-girlfriend move in. I have proof on my surveillance system of his activities, and the thousands of dollars of damage he did, including beating the crap out of her one day. I took it to the police three different time, and zero action. No arrests. Nothing.

I ask because I am retired professional law enforcement and I have experienced both times when the public has had a real case to make with actual facts to back it up, and others when there was a lot of opinion stating but not a lot of evidence to back it up. There was a lot more of the latter than the former.

Should video evidence be ignored?

That's one of a few personal incidents I have see, but the only one I had actual proof of.

The Portland Police are corrupt.

Period.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

Don't forget, this person has stated on numerous occasions that he wants chaos and anarchy.

This is today's Democratic Party. Don't vote for them..

What person is that?

 

[Port & Starboard]

Portland police union boss slams Oregon gov candidate's claim about defund police stance: 'Simply not true'The Portland Police Association’s president on Thursday criticized Oregon gubernatorial candidate Tina Kotek for claiming during the previous night’s debate that she has always been a supporter of law enforcement.


When you go to vote, don't forget that democrats ran interference for over a year during the riots.

These people are frauds and liars.

Do you get it?

They reimagined the Police.

 

[StillBallin75]

Police unions should be abolished.

The average Dem supports the police way more than the average right-winger gives them credit for. If there's several things the Dems and GOP have way more in common with each other than with someone like me, it's the general monstrosity of their foreign policy, immigration policy, and overall police worship.

 

[Roadvirus]

Police unions should be abolished.

So you think police officers shouldn't have a group to represent them and their interests?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Police unions should be abolished.

The average Dem supports the police way more than the average right-winger gives them credit for. If there's several things the Dems and GOP have way more in common with each other than with someone like me, it's the general monstrosity of their foreign policy, immigration policy, and overall police worship.

Unions should be abolished in all jobs requiring higher skills. There is no incentive to accel when unions treat everyone like the lowest common denominator. The teachers union must be the worse. Their agreements have teachers constantly in school themselves to get higher wages, but still is meaningless.

 

[Lord of Planar]

So you think police officers shouldn't have a group to represent them and their interests?

If you want such a thing, the power of the unions need to be dramatically rolled back. When they protect corrupt and incompetent police.... change is a must.

 

[bomberfox]

So you think police officers shouldn't have a group to represent them and their interests?

The police are usually the first ones to be union busters, always have been. Police unions also act as a larger shield against accountability than other unions. Lastly police have an immense power at their disposal.

 

[What if...?]

Unions should be abolished in all jobs requiring higher skills. There is no incentive to accel when unions treat everyone like the lowest common denominator. The teachers union must be the worse. Their agreements have teachers constantly in school themselves to get higher wages, but still is meaningless.

My union doesn’t. The most skills you acquire the more money you make. Started ten years ago this December. My income has increased fivefold in that time. And that’s with a year and a half down for Covid.

 

[Lord of Planar]

My union doesn’t. The most skills you acquire the more money you make. Started ten years ago this December. My income has increased fivefold in that time. And that’s with a year and a half down for Covid.

Wages should be based on merits. Not education.

 

[What if...?]

Wages should be based on merits. Not education.

It is merits. They needed people to do things and I learned how to do those things. I didn’t got to school. I observed, listened, watched YouTube videos. Went to jobs without the requisite skills, pulled them off anyway.

Do you have a different definition of “merits”?

 

[Lord of Planar]

It is merits.

I've seen lots of really educated people who still had no wisdom at applying what they learned.

They needed people to do things and I learned how to do those things. I didn’t got to school. I observed, listened, watched YouTube videos. Went to jobs without the requisite skills, pulled them off anyway.

Do you have a different definition of “merits”?

I completely understand merit, and unions very often make it meaningless.

 

[What if...?]

I've seen lots of really educated people who still had no wisdom at applying what they learned.

I completely understand merit, and unions very often make it meaningless.

Not mine. That is my point.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Not mine. That is my point.

I have only seen been under one good union back in the 70's. The steelworkers union after high school. The rest only coddled losers.

A person should only need enough formal education to get in the door. Once they have that, merit should be based on what they can do, regardless of if they continue with classes. However, I have not yet seen a union that for a higher step, that doesn't require more documented education.

Is yours an exception?

 

[What if...?]

I have only seen been under one good union back in the 70's. The steelworkers union after high school. The rest only coddled losers.

A person should only need enough formal education to get in the door. Once they have that, merit should be based on what they can do, regardless of if they continue with classes. However, I have not yet seen a union that for a higher step, that doesn't require more documented education.

Is yours an exception?

Yes. There are a few things that require certifications for safety reasons. Aside from that the local will pay for classes but they aren’t required for the same position if you just learn on the job or whatever.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Some years ago, I had an individual destroyng my property when I let his ex-girlfriend move in. I have proof on my surveillance system of his activities, and the thousands of dollars of damage he did, including beating the crap out of her one day. I took it to the police three different time, and zero action. No arrests. Nothing.

Should video evidence be ignored?

That's one of a few personal incidents I have see, but the only one I had actual proof of.

The Portland Police are corrupt.

Period.

First, pardon my typos from posts made early in the AM on my phone with its small keypad.

Now, did you know that if you have a situation like what you claim above nothing is stopping you from filing a police report. Then, with the file number generated from that report and having the information identifying the culprit [which I assume if it the former boyfriend of the woman living in your home you have access to] and going to the local municipal court clerk. There you are legally allowed to sign a complaint for an offense against the perpetrator. That person will be notified they have been charged and have to appear in court.

If it is an indictable, in some jurisdictions, you may have access to the investigators of the county prosecutor's office. Where you could show them evidence of an indictable crime and that you have reported it to the local police and have received no action on it.

 

[Lord of Planar]

First, pardon my typos from posts made early in the AM on my phone with its small keypad.

Now, did you know that if you have a situation like what you claim above nothing is stopping you from filing a police report. Then, with the file number generated from that report and having the information identifying the culprit [which I assume if it the former boyfriend of the woman living in your home you have access to] and going to the local municipal court clerk. There you are legally allowed to sign a complaint for an offense against the perpetrator. That person will be notified they have been charged and have to appear in court.

If it is an indictable, in some jurisdictions, you may have access to the investigators of the county prosecutor's office. Where you could show them evidence of an indictable crime and that you have reported it to the local police and have received no action on it.

Police reports filed. Video given to the police. They just didn't care. His face and identifiable tattoos clear, and they claimed they wouldn't be able to ID him.

Complaints signed.

Nothing done. The Portland police simply don't give a rip. They only way I was going to get anywhere would have been to get a lawyer.

You don't realize how f'd up Portlandia is with the demonrats running it. We regular people don't get squat for protection.

This was some years ago now. I will bring this past inaction up is I have problems again, with no help.

 

[PoS]

Police unions should be abolished.

All unions should be abolished.

 

[Lord of Planar]

All unions should be abolished.

Unions used to be necessary. I haven't seen a good one for a long time now. All they do now is find ways to cause tension between employees and management. I tend to agree with you.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

All unions should be abolished.

In free markets non-specialized workers {cogs} have the right of free assembly and to combine themselves in collective bargaining units to give weight and leverage to their power to negotiate terms with their employers. Just as business has the right to utilize leverage in a marketplace.

When business purchases power in state houses to un-level the playing field by the creation of laws that remove the right of assembly and free combining of self-interests from workers this is not free market capitalism. It is corporatism, which is a form of corruption of representative democracy.