Pope says Abortion evidence of 'Throwaway Culture'......[W:338]

[Lursa]

Trust me, I certainly hadn't discounted the possibility of glaring contradiction or hypocrisy. Not in the least.

Trust me, I knew you couldnt distinguish between the two to cognitively discount the possibility. Not in the least.

 

[MMC]

Right...so exactly what did he say that was news?

Seems besides the message about Peace.....he talked about a Throw Away Culture. Course I did put up the full Content of his Speech to the Diplomatic Corp.

Good thing it was a Pope Speaking out and Not those Imans out of Islam, huh? Wherein they like to use examples as props while explaining their point about abortion.

Do you think they are as understanding as the Pope is? Even Better.....do you think they would allow you to open your mouth and actually be able to speak freely about anything concerning the matter?

 

[Lursa]

Seems besides the message about Peace.....he talked about a Throw Away Culture. Course I did put up the full Content of his Speech to the Diplomatic Corp.

Good thing it was a Pope Speaking out and Not those Imans out of Islam, huh? Wherein they like to use examples as props while explaining their point about abortion.

Do you think they are as understanding as the Pope is? Even Better.....do you think they would allow you to open your mouth and actually be able to speak freely about anything concerning the matter?

You posted in the abortion section and the parts you posted focused mostly on abortion.

Gotta little bait and switch going on here? Kinda defensive, arent you?

As Popes go, this one seems pretty good. But that was not the subject posted.

 

[MMC]

You posted in the abortion section and the parts you posted focused mostly on abortion.

Gotta little bait and switch going on here? Kinda defensive, arent you?

As Popes go, this one seems pretty good. But that was not the subject posted.

Well he did tie abortion into his speech. I guess that's why a lot of news Sources listed it the way they did.

Defensive? Not in the least.....oh and I didn't use any bait and switch. I just gave you the reality with some other So called Holy men and their means on what they see as a failing. Not that I am saying they are Right. Just more intolerant. Notice I didn't use any others but the 2 most notables.

 

[Paleocon]

Huh. You'd think he'd be able to make the connection between starving children and children that couldnt be supported...and thus are suffering. More abortions means less children suffering, starving, etc.

Me? I'd focus MY resources and moral highground on the children that are already born, that we CAN help, and that would be so much better off if the resources thrown at abortion were thrown at food and shelter and job training, schooling, etc. for living kids.

But that's just me.

As for the Pope speaking out against abortion....well...do you expect the sun to rise in the am? Seriously.

So being chemically burned to death isn't suffering?

 

[Lursa]

So being chemically burned to death isn't suffering?

If you are attempting to use an inflammatory lie to describe the way abortions are performed....FAIL.

There is no pain....different methods are used at different stages of development. If you need to believe the lies to prop up your pro-life stance, then it's got a pretty weak foundation.

 

[Paleocon]

If you are attempting to use an inflammatory lie to describe the way abortions are performed....FAIL.

There is no pain....different methods are used at different stages of development. If you need to believe the lies to prop up your pro-life stance, then it's got a pretty weak foundation.

Cite a credible source.

 

[Lursa]

Cite a credible source.

I didnt make the claim.

 

[Paleocon]

I didnt make the claim.

Yes you did.

 

[Lursa]

Yes you did.

You claimed something silly about chemically burning the unborn implying pain. I said you were lying (but I'll qualify and say maybe you are uninformed).

If you wish to prove you're not lying...go ahead. Otherwise. I dont care. I know the truth and doubt you will be swayed.

Ah...credible sources only, lol.

 

[Paleocon]

You claimed something silly about chemically burning the unborn implying pain. I said you were lying (but I'll qualify and say maybe you are uninformed).

If you wish to prove you're not lying...go ahead. Otherwise. I dont care. I know the truth and doubt you will be swayed.

Ah...credible sources only, lol.

I asked a question.

If credibility is too high a standard for you then that's your problem.

 

[Lursa]

I asked a question.

If credibility is too high a standard for you then that's your problem.

Not really concerned about it. If you feel you can support your statement, feel free.

 

[Paleocon]

Not really concerned about it. If you feel you can support your statement, feel free.

I asked a question. You made a statement.

 

[Lursa]

I asked a question. You made a statement.

Again...I dont really care. I dont respond well to drama in the face of rationality.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

This Pope, like all before him will not lend himself to see women as individual human beings…

An ironic statement from one who denies the very humanity of the most innocent and vulnerable of all human beings, and advocates a “right” to slaughter them with impunity.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Huh. You'd think he'd be able to make the connection between starving children and children that couldnt be supported...and thus are suffering. More abortions means less children suffering, starving, etc.

That's an inefficient “solution” to the problem that you claim to mitigate with abortion.

Rather than murder children who you think •might• be born into unfavorable circumstances, wouldn't it make much more sense to identify those who are already living in unfortunate circumstances, such that you deem their lives not to be worthwhile,and kill them?

Think of all the suffering you could prevent, if you simply put all those who are suffering out of their misery.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

So you know how I feel about children? Pretty sure you dont, you only know how I regard the unborn.

You've made it clear enough how you feel about certain children. You consider them to be subhuman, and think it should be OK to kill them. I think that tells us all that anyone needs to know about your attitude on the subject.

 

[spud_meister]

See how better a message is received when it's delivered in a polite manner by a respected person.

 

[HonestJoe]

What do you think about what he terms the Throw-Away Culture?

I think it's a disgusting insult to many of the people who struggle with almost impossible decisions about difficult pregnancies to lump all abortions in to the otherwise valid concept of a throw-away culture (though he's really late to the party on that one anyway). It demonstrates the flaw of having celibate old men making pronouncements about such things from their ivory towers. As someone else mentioned, the fact the Catholic Church's single-minded views of birth control and sex education are part of the problem in many places doesn't help either.

I wonder if the Pope considers frightful to think of all the children who don't see the light of day due to natural causes (or maybe we should say acts of God)?

 

[MMC]

I think it's a disgusting insult to many of the people who struggle with almost impossible decisions about difficult pregnancies to lump all abortions in to the otherwise valid concept of a throw-away culture (though he's really late to the party on that one anyway). It demonstrates the flaw of having celibate old men making pronouncements about such things from their ivory towers. As someone else mentioned, the fact the Catholic Church's single-minded views of birth control and sex education are part of the problem in many places doesn't help either.

I wonder if the Pope considers frightful to think of all the children who don't see the light of day due to natural causes (or maybe we should say acts of God)?

Mornin' Honest Joe. :2wave: Did you also consider what else it said about how this Pope didn't dwell upon the issue? What about this part here. Do you think this makrs a difference for the Catholic Church?


Since his election in March, the pope, while showing no signs of changing the Church's position against abortion, has not spoken out against it as sternly or as repeatedly as his predecessors Pope Benedict XVI and the late John Paul II.

Both of those popes often delivered sermons against abortion, which the Church considers murder.

Conservatives in the Church were alarmed when Francis, in a landmark interview in September with the Italian Jesuit magazine Civilta Cattolica, said the Church must shake off an "obsession" with teachings on abortion, contraception and homosexuality.....snip~

Now what do you think that says and means?

 

[nota bene]

I think he's right, but it doesn't apply to just abortion. People readily discard marriages and friends, not to mention all the cheap Chinese (and other cheap) crap that they buy. Throw-away culture seems to apply pretty well to everything be have become in this part of the world.

It does seem to, and whether you're a secularist or a person of faith, this is a point worth pondering. I remember when Pope John Paul II talked about the "culture of death" and how the way we treat the most vulnerable--the very young, the very sick and inconvenient, and the very old--is the real measure of a society. Again, whether you're "religious" or not, this should be deeply considered, IMO. There is a difference between tossing out a toaster and discarding a human life.

 

[HonestJoe]

Did you also consider what else it said about how this Pope didn't dwell upon the issue?

Of course he doesn't. He knows the Church's position is unpopular, impractical and has no real answers to the complex issues it raises. If anything, that makes his throw-away comment (pun intended) worse. If he's not willing (and able) to get properly involved in the difficult discussions about abortion, he probably should be making references like this at all.

Now what do you think that says and means

I think it is part of a marketing campaign to try to improve the general public image of the Catholic Church. It's not about what they actually believe or do, only about how they present it.

 

[MMC]

Of course he doesn't. He knows the Church's position is unpopular, impractical and has no real answers to the complex issues it raises. If anything, that makes his throw-away comment (pun intended) worse. If he's not willing (and able) to get properly involved in the difficult discussions about abortion, he probably should be making references like this at all.

I think it is part of a marketing campaign to try to improve the general public image of the Catholic Church. It's not about what they actually believe or do, only about how they present it.

Ah.....I see you think he didn't mean it when he said the Church had to shake off an obsession with teachings on Abortion, contraception and homosexuality.

 

[minnie616]

..... Look at Flat screen TVS. People hurried and got rid of perfectly good working TVs. All for the HD Flat Screen. I have seen some peoples homes where that TV is like 80 inches covers a whole wall and is worth more than the car those people drive.
....

Just a stab at humor...

We just got our first HD Flat Screen TV ( and I have to admit it is a 55 inch and I love it) a few days ago.
It took our old 45 inch HD projection TV 14 years to finially bite the dust.
I thought that thing was going to outlive us !

 

[MMC]

Just a stab at humor...

We just got our first HD Flat Screen TV ( and I have to admit it is a 55 inch and I love it) a few days ago.
It took our old 45 inch HD projection TV 14 years to finially bite the dust.
I thought that thing was going to outlive us !

Mornin' Minnie.

Well you had a reason with yours going out. I watched people get rid of those big bulky 37, 42 and 48 inch TVs and there was nothing wrong with them. Other than a couple missing remotes.

So I started picking those up and then so did my sons. My kids were playing their Videos games on those gigantic screens.....and we took like at least 30 of them to a local Church to give to people who didn't even own a TV.