EpicDude86
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You can't outlaw something that wasn't legal to begin with (which is why I can't stand people who talk about those who want to "ban" gay marriage).
And the comparison with Prohibition is completely invalid for a number of reasons, one of which is that unlike drinking, marriage is something that requires governmental/societal recognition.
Incest should be legal if gay marriage and polygamy are ever to be legal. Why not?
Well thanks for that and you make a good point, but what I was going for is that the more taboo you make something out to be, the more appealing it gets...Humans just love raunchy, taboo stuff I guess. :lol:
If it were accepted, common practice in the states, this conversation would be boring because we'd be discussing something as dull as consensual sex between a man and woman in the missionary position. Duuuulllll.
Over 1000 Societies are either ok with polygamy or practice it regularly. It's about an even split. It's more normal than one would think.
Well, for one thing, taboo is enticing for some short-term fun... not for a lifestyle choice.
Also, the fact that it is taboo means that it is not widely done, and the fact that it is accepted means that it is widely done, so whether or not it is "appealing" or "dull" is irrelevant.
Is there even a single developed country where polygamy is legal or practiced regularly? It's normal in the 3rd world, sure, but what about outside of there?
I see what you're saying, but it doesn't mean their society is wrong and certainly doesn't justify it being illegal here.
Like is said earlier, if someone can support their many wives and children, what's a good reason to stop them?
I already gave a reason, which is the problem with an equal male:female ratio.
You could also make the moral argument that polygamy is rarely love-based and that marriage should be seen as something that is done out of love.
If it were socially acceptable, it would likely be legal, no?I would be concerned with the ramifications of polygamy being socially accepted without being legally recognized.
If it were socially acceptable, it would likely be legal, no?
Incest should be legal if gay marriage and polygamy are ever to be legal. Why not?
You could also make the moral argument that polygamy is rarely love-based and that marriage should be seen as something that is done out of love.
If it were socially acceptable, it would likely be legal, no?
Cannabis laws and copyrights would suggest otherwise.
Cannabis legalization has yet to gain the support of the majority of the public (though it's getting close), and while nobody follows certain copyright laws, there hasn't really been any kind of workable solution presented.
Pot, tobacco, alchol, drugs, polygamy, promiscuity, etc....are all potentially harmful.
If a person wants to engage in practices that MAY make others financially liable, then the person should get a license that allows him/her to participate in those practices but ON HIS OWN DIME. The licenses would clearly spell out certain restrictions. You would not be able to buy harmful substances without an ID/punchcard, so they can keep track of how much you abuse yourself.
Polygamous families would be restricted as to receiving social services.
Drinkers, smokers, druggies, the promiscuous, etc. would have give up the "right" to medical care for diseases related to their lifestyle.
Now, all we need is a new governmental agency to enforce all that...:2razz:
Gots to have a dream, man. FantasyLand isn't just a place for Disney characters....BWAHAHAHA! Are you suggesting Common Sense??? In America??
OH GOD! You're delusional.
:lol:
As anyone familiar with the gay marriage threads knows, polygamy is often brought up to test the logical consistency of a given argument and identify what, if anything, would justify keeping polygamy illegal in a world where consenting adults can enter in any contract they wish.
I personally have never possessed nor read a strong argument against polygamy, and I become confused when some pro-gm folks would not also support polygamy, as such individuals can never articulate their reasons.
This thread does not need to involve gay marriage at all. I actually believe we could have a better discussion if gay marriage were included as little as passable.
I invite anyone with strong objections or support of polygamy to make their arguments known.
Those are just a few questions to get your thoughts moving, please feel free to make any argument you wish.
- Do you think legalized polygamy in society would affect you in any way? If so, in what way and to what degree?
- Do you think polygamy could help lower the divorce, juvenile crime or runaway rates; or improve academic performance?
- If you can argue the polygamy brings increased economic security, how would polygamy affect the abortion rate?
Gots to have a dream, man. FantasyLand isn't just a place for Disney characters....
That reason makes no sense to me. We're not guaranteed a mate, and we most certainly aren't guaranteed a marriage. And we are nowhere near guaranteed a marriage that will work.
Just because we aren't "guaranteed" marriage doesn't mean we should define it in such a way that will inevitably create a large surplus of unmarried males.
You keep asking me for a good reason to keep it illegal, but what I don't get is, what reason is there for making it legal?
Maybe it will make men work harder.
American Citizens are believed to be entitled to:
Life
[/IMG]Liberty
Pursuit of Property/Happiness
so long as one:
Pay taxes
does not interfere in anyone else's:
(See above)
On the surface - I truly don't care.
But when I start to think of the trickle-down effects it would have, I consider it a can of worms best left shelved. Not that it's wrong - but that it would lead to many other smaller issues.
Is it worth the headache? No.
Hard work doesn't always get you a wife, and plenty of bums still get married.
That's way more general than specific. I don't believe that laws should be changed unless there's a clear reason why it would be beneficial to do so; adherence to a blanket ideology like libertarianism is not a valid reason in itself.
Life isn't fair, **** happens. Good for them.
It was important enough to be put into the Declaration of Independence...sooo...If you can think of any more of an American document that would suggest otherwise, let me hear it.
Well, it would be one thing if the drawback was balanced out with some benefit... but nobody's really argued about any benefits for legalized polygamy, they've only argued that "people should be able to do it".
For one thing, I highly doubt Thomas Jefferson wanted polygamy to be legalized... I won't take that line of defense though because I can't prove it.
"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" are extremely vague and as I already said, more general than specific; the only people who argue that the terms advocate a libertarian position are, well, libertarians. Even if you were to use libertarian assumption that "liberty" and the "pusuit of happiness" mean getting to do whatever the hell you want if it doesn't infringe on the rights of others, you could argue that legalized polygamy does infringe on the rights of many people by creating the imbalance which I mentioned.
I don't use those assumptions though. I simply think that change for change's sake is irresponsible and could lead to unintended consequences, so if a law is to be reversed, there should be some clear benefit to reversing it. So far I have yet to hear about any benefits to reversing polygamy laws.
How can you honestly argue a male to female ratio being a good reason to not have polygamy...That might be considered if EVERYONE was getting married...but...I just don't see its relevance. That's just adding more useless **** to the list of things we're "entitled" to or things that "ought to be fair".
Life. Isn't. Fair.
And I don't see why all these things people want legalized can't even be given a chance, all we do is speculate, one way or the other. We'll never know until we try.
also, Thomas Jefferson knocked up a slave girl. How's that for monogamy?
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