Even context doesn't phase an ideologue, Democrats took control of Congress in January 2007 which means the purse strings as well as legislative agenda. Job losses didn't start occurring until mid 2008 and beyond. They continued through most of 2009 even after the Obama stimulus passed for shovel ready projects in Feb. 2009. Guess you missed that context
Right, and there was also that big fairy dust storm that caused employers to fire 2 million of their employees.
Construction jobs are always temporary that the ****ing point.
Then don't complain about unemployment. There's no magic to jobs. You need employed people who spend. The fewer of those, the less business will invest. Cut government jobs, you have less employed people spending, thus less business expanding or hiring. You have to see the contection between demand and supply. No demand, no one supplies.
This might come as a surprise to you but government jobs come at a net loss to the system. The Leftists seem to seriously believe that if everyone worked for the government everyone would be employed, there would be a great demand for more services and all Americans would enjoy a much higher standard of living.
There has to be a revolution in the US education system, and soon.
That's right, in means nothing if you don't view it in context. And viewing it out of context is your thing.
Doesn't really matter does it? No job is a complete loss, right?
And, no, while I believe in education, it really will not fix all problems. I know how much many want a silver bullet, the fact is business works on a very simple premise. If there are buyers, business will come.
Doesn't really matter does it? No job is a complete loss, right?
And, no, while I believe in education, it really will not fix all problems. I know how much many want a silver bullet, the fact is business works on a very simple premise. If there are buyers, business will come.
See, that's the thing. You actually have to look at the WHOLE context -- not just the parts that support your prefab political spin. Otherwise you just get dismissed.
It doesn't really matter? Of course it really matters. In fact it really, really matters. And it is a loss. Do you think there is a profit for anyone in hiring government people? Where is it? It is never revenue neutral.
Education might fix the problem of people believing that vast government spending will create prosperity, that trillions of dollars in debt is not a serious problem, that looking about for who to blame rather than offering solutions to these serious problems is the direction to take. Certainly the United States cannot continue as it has done in the past with these sorts of wide spread attitudes. This generation will then truly be the "Lost Generation" because they'll have blown it all.
Joe, are there any studies on service based economies, vs. Manufacturing based economies?
j-mac
Do we manufacture here any more? Or are we calling making a cheese burger manufacturing?
However, as this is off what I was dicussing, what do you think you're getting out? Before I go look for studies for you, I'd like to have some idea as to why.
Well, I was just curious as to what studies are out there that make educators like yourself that I am sure bases your opinions on the emperical works out there that show that a service based private sector, is more stable than a manufacturing based one. Also, why would you say basically, if I am understanding this correctly from you that: "Most know that government is not a magic cure or fix..." When the entirety of the argument from liberals today seems to be that government unrestrained is the answer?
j-mac
As always, members of the far right distort what liberals and moderates stand for. Liberals and moderates believe that both the government and the private sector have legitimate roles to play.
We understand that, when the private sector is in recession, it's necessary for the government to step into the breach temporarily, until the private sector regains its footing.
We don't have a polarized view where government is evil and the free market is God-like.
Not so good a labels are you? the problem I see with your cover statement about liberals, is that although there are legitimate, and constitutional roles for government, liberals tend to throw those restraints out the window in increments then try to blame their failures on conservatives in the most dishonest fashion.
Could you please point to the Amendment, or constitutional provision that authorizes this over reach?
That is your straw man you are constructing there...Have fun with it.
j-mac
"That is your straw man you are constructing there...Have fun with it."
Sure, I'm just making it up. It's a liberal myth that the conservative hero's tag line was, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." He never said that government is the problem. :roll:
"That is your straw man you are constructing there...Have fun with it."
Sure, I'm just making it up. It's a liberal myth that the conservative hero's tag line was, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." He never said that government is the problem. :roll:[/QUOTE
Adam, you better wake up and realize what is happening to you. You entrust your future to a federal govt. that has created a 15+ trillion debt and has over reached into areas that it doesn't belong. Now you are seeing the movement to total control of the healthcare system. That is a very naive view of the future and total ignorance of history.
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Well, I was just curious as to what studies are out there that make educators like yourself that I am sure bases your opinions on the emperical works out there that show that a service based private sector, is more stable than a manufacturing based one. Also, why would you say basically, if I am understanding this correctly from you that: "Most know that government is not a magic cure or fix..." When the entirety of the argument from liberals today seems to be that government unrestrained is the answer?
j-mac
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Whether I believe that or not is secondary to the point I never said I did. Perhaps you can tell me why you make this leap?
And you don't really listen to the liberal argument j. Like so many, you argue with what you want to believ eit is rather than actually listen to the argument. I agree that it is easier to argue a strawman, but it is hard for us to reply when you're not addressing what we actually say.
Anyway, please mark for me where I said anything about manufacturing or service based economies. If you can, I'll respond to what I said.
How can it possibly matter how the brainwashed 'view' anything: they see what they are told. The only serious question is, Is it right?
See, this is where your straw argument fails miserably. It is not 'government' totally that was being excoriated in that quote, but rather unchecked, unrestrained government.
Government has specific obligations as enumerated in the constitution, and they are supposed to be limited by those that are listed. We don't have a King in this country, and as much as Obama would like to think that he is such, he is not.
j-mac
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