Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades [W:70]

[Lursa]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

How much was there to like? Definitely some good human interest stories...not sure how The Donald was responsible for them at all.

Alot of economic talk...not all attributable to The Donald and it was untrue that it was the largest tax reform in US history.

"Beautiful clean coal" is absurd.

And maybe people just got sick of hearing "great people" "great great people" "great job" "great person" great great job" "really great people" ad infinitum.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

Here's the deal on immigration. Trump is saying yes to a path for citizenship for the dreamers, in exchange for the wall, along with other demands. This is the best deal Democrats are going to get that can pass both houses and get signed into law. Democrats can hold out, and the government shuts down, or Trump can compromise some more and Republicans in the House will then hold out, and the government shuts down. Either way, the government will shut down. Trump will get the blame, but it would be the fault of both Republicans and Democrats, because they could not run with what is already on the table, which CAN be passed. If Democrats are smart, they will take the offer, and choose another battle for another day.

Just being pragmatic here. Sometimes, in order to get government to work, you have to be pragmatic. It's a dance called the Washington Tango.

Trump wont get the blame unless congress actually passes something and hands it to him and he declines it. If the Public Opinion is any measure, if the government gets shut down...again...over illegal immigration it will reflect on the democrats. Illegal immigration, it turns out is NOT a winning political hand.

 

[jmotivator]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

Both polls are believed, they're sampling differently so it's little surprise that they have different results.

Ah, so you are going to hang your hat on the poll about the SOTU that includes people who didn't watch the SOTU?

 

[Terryj]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

I found it enlightening that when Trump said that this country belongs to the people of America, this government belongs to the people of America, that very few of the the Democrats applauded. Kind of tells you where their boat is docked.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

I found it enlightening that when Trump said that this country belongs to the people of America, this government belongs to the people of America, that very few of the the Democrats applauded. Kind of tells you where their boat is docked.

Internally rolling your eyes at a cliche that you know even the speaker doesnt believe, knowing he's just pandering, saying what his followers want to hear, how is that reason to be critical of Democrats?

If you dont believe him, why would you encourage him?

 

[Absentglare]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

Here's the deal on immigration. Trump is saying yes to a path for citizenship for the dreamers, in exchange for the wall, along with other demands. This is the best deal Democrats are going to get that can pass both houses and get signed into law. Democrats can hold out, and the government shuts down, or Trump can compromise some more and Republicans in the House will then hold out, and the government shuts down. Either way, the government will shut down. Trump will get the blame, but it would be the fault of both Republicans and Democrats, because they could not run with what is already on the table, which CAN be passed. If Democrats are smart, they will take the offer, and choose another battle for another day.

Just being pragmatic here. Sometimes, in order to get government to work, you have to be pragmatic. It's a dance called the Washington Tango.

That wasn't a deal and it's not a compromise. The dreamers getting amnesty over twelve ****ing years means they have their uncertain legal status leveraged against them for twelve years: they're Americans who won't have rights.

And in exchange, President Trump would get literally everything he wants, as fighting illegal immigration wasn't enough, he wants to fight legal immigration, too. Because the fundamental "problem" for President Trump is that they have to kick out all the brown people to make America "great" again.

 

[DickBanks]

...You can't erase a year of lies and hate with a speech.

My reaction to the speech is "positive." I liked the overall tone, especially his four pillars, and foreign policy direction. But do I believe that he will make all that happen, or even make most of it happen, given his leadership skills so far? No.

 

[Absentglare]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

Ah, so you are going to hang your hat on the poll about the SOTU that includes people who didn't watch the SOTU?

I didn't watch it: i listened to it. You think that invalidates my opinion of a speech? I'm more interested in content than propaganda.

 

[Threegoofs]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

So when he does, and it's either passed or held hostage by democrats, which charity do you want to donate 100 bucks to? You claim he doesn't do things yet you whine about the tax cuts and other things he's done, like Kennedy I think you have a little spittle.

I see even you admit he has no plan.

Much like most of the other stuff he has said he would do over the last two years, its all smoke.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

We lefties have a memory greater than 24 hours. If you're doe eyed and on your knees you probably wouldn't understand.

Black unemployment has steadily decreased since Obama, yet Trump takes credit and wants recognition for what? He didn't do anything. He just jumped in the drivers seat and continued on the same path. Cheap stuff like this is why nobody takes him seriously and we roll our eyes when his supporters get all mushy over it.

You fell for a PR gimmick.

Check out the statistics from those who aren't part of the "I-hate-Trump" crowd:

Is Black America Better Off Under Obama? | BlackPressUSA
https://newsone.com/3464660/state-of-black-america-2016-employment/
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

You will note that the bls puts unemployment for black Americans for December 2017 at 6.8%. Never in the history of the country has it ever been that low.

Plus, with so many discouraged Americans of working age re-entering the work force, for the unemployment numbers to continue to fall is pretty good news for everybody. Or it should be. At least some of Obama's 'good' unemployment numbers were due to people dropping out of the work force altogether.

 

[Terryj]

If you look at the CBS poll it kind of says it all. 75% approve 25% disapprove, now the break down of viewers is like this according to CBS, 42% Republicans , 33% Independent and 25% Democrats. Notice that the Democrat viewership was the same amount as those that disapproved of the SOTU address. What this tells me is that no matter what the POTUS says or does the Democrats will not approve, just plain ole partisan politics at the expense of the American people.

 

[jmotivator]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

I didn't watch it: i listened to it. You think that invalidates my opinion of a speech? I'm more interested in content than propaganda.

AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! If that the hair you want to split? :lamo

Do you think the CBS poll omitted those who listened to the SOTU?

 

[Terryj]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

Internally rolling your eyes at a cliche that you know even the speaker doesnt believe, knowing he's just pandering, saying what his followers want to hear, how is that reason to be critical of Democrats?

If you dont believe him, why would you encourage him?

There is nothing that Trump has done in this last year that tells me he is NOT for the American people.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

CBS's poll has it at 75% approval among those who watched the SOTU. Neither CBS nor their viewers are know to be especially fond of Trump.

The CBS group was self selected based on viewers who watched - which removed legions of anti-Trump Americans who cannot tolerate wasting an hour with him on the TV. So the CBS polled group would have been more pro-Trump to begin with than the average American. The CNN crowd was more of a cross section of Americans who are more representative of both sides.

this is from the article about the CNN poll

The poll was conducted among a group of Americans who said in prior interviews that they planned to watch the speech and were willing to be contacted after its conclusion.

So these were Americans who committed to CNN to watch - as opposed to CBS who simply polled Americans who said they watched - thus excluding lots and lots of Trump haters who would have brought the numbers down supporting Trump.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

There is nothing that Trump has done in this last year that tells me he is NOT for the American people.

LOL Good for you.

 

[yankintx]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

A sucker born every day.

Yup the bar is set quite low. Well done GOP for lowering the standards.

 

[Absentglare]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! If that the hair you want to split? :lamo

Do you think the CBS poll omitted those who listened to the SOTU?

What the hell are you talking about?

You're the one "hanging your hat" on the poll you prefer, with no basis for your claims. Perhaps you could identify an actual criticism of the methodology instead of desperately grasping at straws and asserting your ignorance as meaningful.

 

[yankintx]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

"Fabricated results"? LOL. So the CBS poll is right because you think it says what you want, but the CNN poll is fabricated because it doesn't? This is how rightists are made.

The Adorables are getting good at cherry picking items. Its such a loooong reach to make Trump look palatable.

 

[bigred1cav]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

There is nothing that Trump has done in this last year that tells me he is NOT for the American people.

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Donald Trump: 24 things the next president believes - BBC News
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Trump's First State of the Union Address: A Call for Unity That Wasn't ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/us/politics/trump-state-of-the-union.html
1 day ago - At one hour and 20 minutes, it was also the third longest State of the Union speech in the last 50 years. An annotated copy of Mr. ... The challenge for Mr. Trump is that even as he sells the economy with the fervor of a real estate developer, he has not been able to sell himself. His approval ratings remain at ...

 

[yankintx]

My reaction to the speech is "positive." I liked the overall tone, especially his four pillars, and foreign policy direction. But do I believe that he will make all that happen, or even make most of it happen, given his leadership skills so far? No.

His leadership skills are lacking due to one fact, he has no integrity. This is why much of the military brass do not like the man. Integrity is an Air Force core value, the CIC has none. Trump is not good on his word

 

[danarhea]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

That wasn't a deal and it's not a compromise. The dreamers getting amnesty over twelve ****ing years means they have their uncertain legal status leveraged against them for twelve years: they're Americans who won't have rights.

And in exchange, President Trump would get literally everything he wants, as fighting illegal immigration wasn't enough, he wants to fight legal immigration, too. Because the fundamental "problem" for President Trump is that they have to kick out all the brown people to make America "great" again.

It's still the best offer the Democrats are going to get, and a 12 year pathway to citizenship is still better than the threat of deportation. The ICE raids on dreamers will end immediately.

 

[yankintx]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

those that cared to watch knew more or less what they would see & hear

folks like myself that didn't watch didn't want to see & hear some lunatic begging for ego stroking so, I could not bring myself to watch such a fiasco; I would have barfed

I'm sure the bigger majority of those that watched were in approval but as I said in the above, first line, well .........

I did not watch his speech. The last year has more than proven Trump is not good on his word. We were all warned, he'll the guy even lies about his golf scores and cheats at the game. I don't know were his lies end and the truth begins. The guy is very wishy washy.

 

[Verax]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

By the way, it's kind of sad that some people felt the need to misrepresent the CNN poll, which actually showed a positive reaction to the SOTU address, 48% strongly positive and 22% somewhat positive. Or, in other words, 70% positive, which matches the CBS polling results.

A pretty remarkable showing for Trump considering the constant negativity coming from entertainment and media.

There was no misrepresentation. His net positive reaction is overall much lower than other SOTU's. Read it again.

 

[Absentglare]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

It's still the best offer the Democrats are going to get, and a 12 year pathway to citizenship is still better than the threat of deportation. The ICE raids on dreamers will end immediately.

So your argument is that democrats should almost completely capitulate, because President Trump is essentially unwilling to compromise.

Nope, that's not how deals work. Democrats have no obligation to rubber stamp President Trump's racist immigration agenda.

 

[madman]

Re: Poll: Trump's first State of the Union garners lowest net positive reaction in two decades

Do you let Maxine Waters speak for you?

Im sorry, did you answer my question?