Poll: Racial misgivings of Dems an Obama issue

[StandUpChuck]

And what do you base this assertion on...that blacks will only vote for Obama because he is black? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that he inspires them or maybe that they believe that he will promote policies that will favor the working/middle class and minority voters.

Why do you assume blacks are only working class?

 

[disneydude]

Why do you assume blacks are only working class?

Where did I ever say that?

You would really have to twist my words to get to that point.

What I said was that the Democrat policies are generally favored by working/middle class and minority voters because their policies generally favor those groups.

The Republican party policies generally favor wealthy Americans.

While certainly there are some minority voters that are wealthy, the vast majority of minority Americans are working or middle class, but even those that are wealthy would likely favor the Democrat party for social policy reasons.

 

[JMak]

Where did I ever say that?

You would really have to twist my words to get to that point.

What I said was that the Democrat policies are generally favored by working/middle class and minority voters because their policies generally favor those groups.

The Republican party policies generally favor wealthy Americans.

While certainly there are some minority voters that are wealthy, the vast majority of minority Americans are working or middle class, but even those that are wealthy would likely favor the Democrat party for social policy reasons.

What an absurd dichotomy.

I guess the GOP across-the-board tax cuts didn't favor the lower-income folks? Splitting the old 15% tax bracket to a new 10% and a 15% bracket didn't benefit them?

The GOP does not propose child tax credits?

The GOP didn't propose to reform welfare to get people back to work rather than collecting a check?

The GOP does not support school choice (which a majority of blacks support and the Democrats vehemently and overhwelmingly oppose)?

I mean, come on...I know the media and the Democrats insist on telling us that the GOP is just a bunch of meanies, but, we're adults here, right? We can exercise some judgment, right?

Edit:

BTW - The GOP also supports lower-income and middle-income union workers who don't want their unions taking membership dues and wasting those dollars on political campaigns. I guess that's not at all supportive of the lower- and middle-income folks, eh? :roll:

 

[Truth Detector]

Many McCain supporters are extremely racist.
I met one just this morning who called Obama the N word and thinks that all Iraqi's are terrorist and deserve to die.

What a compelling survey......

Folks, you just can’t make this level of (fill in the blank) up.
:rofl

 

[Truth Detector]

That's sort of stating the obvious isn't it? I mean, I would venture a guess that every single extreme racist in this country, if they intend to vote, will be supporting McCain.

However, I disagree that it's "many" and you have nothing to base that on except your own bias and desire to negatively label others who disagree with you politically. It would be equally fair to label "many" Obama supporters as racists, since I've seen lots of black people on TV saying they were voting for him because he's black. Let's get sensible with our labeling and be careful about that. It's not a good thing, on EITHER side.

More of the same.......

Isn't it fascinating to watch the issue of Race only being an issue with Liberals?

:rofl

 

[Truth Detector]

Democrats ALWAYS get the vast majority of the black vote....hmmmmm.....wonder why.

Why would even expect that Blacks would vote for the GOP?

It might be because Democrats pander to the black voters by promising them something for nothing with welfare programs? Yet if Blacks were ever to wake up, they would have to ask where all those Democrat votes got them over the last 50 years; more of the same, much like a Barrack Hussein Obama presidency will be more of the same failed policies and politics of dependency for Blacks.

Even leaders like Jesse Jackson understand this dependency, but to admit it has gotten them nothing would be admitting they have been wrong for decades.

 

[Navy Pride]

And what do you base this assertion on...that blacks will only vote for Obama because he is black? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that he inspires them or maybe that they believe that he will promote policies that will favor the working/middle class and minority voters.

I did not say all Blacks but just like with white women there are women that will vote for McCain because of the Palin factor and there are blacks that will vote for Obama because he is black.........If you are so naive to not believe that I don't know what to tell you..........

He is going to favor the middle class by raising their taxes through the roof......

 

[Navy Pride]

More of the same.......

Isn't it fascinating to watch the issue of Race only being an issue with Liberals?

:rofl

It always is...........

 

[Truth Detector]

I ran a FACT check and as is typical on a John1234 thread, there is very little in the way of facts or substance.

The Democrats want to boost the middle class and the poor at the expense of the Rich.

Democrats like to play the game of class envy by pandering to voters with giveaways which do NOTHING to promote their welfare and does everything to make them wards of the state to guarantee they will keep voting for their masters in the Democrat party.

The Republicans want to boost the rich at the expense of the middle class and poor.

The Republicans want to raise ALL boats through education, cutting Government and taxation so that Americans of ALL classes can keep more of the hard earned wealth which promotes independence and job growth without having to promote a class envy message which is self serving.

Most blacks are poor. Some are middle class.
Very few are high income class.

More proof that after four decades of Democrat leadership, now is a time for Blacks to go into the light and choose freedom and choice over Government dependency.

By promoting a message of education and independence from political pandering, the Black community would go far in improving their status and economic well being.

It begs the question, why is it that other minorities do so much better than the Black community; the answer is as plain as the nose on your face if you are not wallowing in denial.

Democrats want to help their communites more and fight poverty.

Democrats want to ensure that they obtain the political power they are so desperate for more than the safety and well being of the American people. Their failed notions about fighting poverty are evidenced by the blowing up of housing projects throughout the United States and the failed fight against poverty by the Democrats who are in denial that giving someone a fish will only feed them for that day; teaching them to fish will feed them for a lifetime.

It's time for Blacks to step away from the politics of envy and dependency and start supporting their own freedom through education and programs geared to wean them off the Government teat the Democrats would like to see them to continue suckling on.

And most blacks are against Global Conquest.
That would explain the rest.

I haven't seen ANYONE other than our enemies who are FOR Global Conquest. But the fact that you are in denial and wallow in despair is illustrative that you have to make up facts to support your absurd political views.

Please provide me a link where the Republican Party platform states it wants Global Conquest; should be entertaining at best.

As is illustrated by the above absurd assertions; Democrats stand for class envy, the politics of dependency and denial, and a desire to not help their electorate, but keep them on a long leash to maintain the political power they so desperately desire more than our safety and what they deem to be their ordained right to have.

Folks, let's work to keep them on the fringe where they belong. We don't need this kind of divisive politics and it has no place in a modern educated society.

 

[Navy Pride]

It might be because Democrats pander to the black voters by promising them something for nothing with welfare programs? Yet if Blacks were ever to wake up, they would have to ask where all those Democrat votes got them over the last 50 years; more of the same, much like a Barrack Hussein Obama presidency will be more of the same failed policies and politics of dependency for Blacks.

Even leaders like Jesse Jackson understand this dependency, but to admit it has gotten them nothing would be admitting they have been wrong for decades.

Right on my friend...........DD has the left wing talking points down pat........He seems to think if you keep saying the samething over and over again that someone will believe it............The American people are to smart for that.........

 

[Navy Pride]

I don't think you even realize how degrading that comment is.

If that were true, then what you are saying is that Blacks are all stupid and always continue to fall for these false promises. :roll:

I think Black people are a little smarter than you give them credit for Navy.
Why would you assume that they aren't?

Are you seriously saying that you believe that the Republican party policies have been beneficial to minority voters?

I guess in your book Obama must be a racist because I just saw a quote from him on 60 minutes where he said that are people that won't vote for him because he is black and there are people that will vote for him because he is black......

I agree 100% with him..............

 

[disneydude]

I He is going to favor the middle class by raising their taxes through the roof......

You obviously know little about their tax plans. Check out the topic on McCain's tax plan v. Obama's.
Unless you make over 250K, your taxes go DOWN under Obama.
I guess you agree with McCain that 250K is middle class.
I believe McCain said 5 million....but who's counting.

 

[disneydude]

He seems to think if you keep saying the samething over and over again that someone will believe it............The American people are to smart for that.........

No....that would be your hero....GWB....and although I would like to believe that the American people are too smart for that....there are still 1/3 out there that aren't.

 

[disneydude]

I guess in your book Obama must be a racist because I just saw a quote from him on 60 minutes where he said that are people that won't vote for him because he is black and there are people that will vote for him because he is black......

I agree 100% with him..............

Let me put it this way.....Chris Rock said it better than anyone else:

"I'm sick and tired of people saying that Black People are only voting for Barak Obama because he is black....c'mon...man.....now if it was Flava Flav!

 

[Panther]

The GOP is the party that freed them from slavery. The DNC has successfully re-enslaved them by keeping them helpless and sucking on the government tit.

I have no clue why they vote overwhelmingly democrat, unless they've become so dependent on their government that they are afraid to break free.

 

[disneydude]

The GOP is the party that freed them from slavery. The DNC has successfully re-enslaved them by keeping them helpless and sucking on the government tit.

I have no clue why they vote overwhelmingly democrat, unless they've become so dependent on their government that they are afraid to break free.

The party of Lincoln bears absolutely no resemblance to the Republican party today.

Even the Republican party of Barry Goldwater beards no resemblance to the Republican party today.

And to be blatantly honest....even the Ronald Reagan Republican party wouldn't recognize the GOP of today.

 

[Navy Pride]

You obviously know little about their tax plans. Check out the topic on McCain's tax plan v. Obama's.
Unless you make over 250K, your taxes go DOWN under Obama.
I guess you agree with McCain that 250K is middle class.
I believe McCain said 5 million....but who's counting.

In this day and ages a lot of small businessess that have employees make $250K.........That is not wealthy........

McCain said that as a joke and of course you liberals lape it up......He even told Warren you would....

He also wants to raise the capital gains tax which would be a tax increase for everyone with a 401K......He also want to cancel the Bush tax cuts in effect would be a tax increase for everyone.........

 

[Singularity]

McCain said that as a joke and of course you liberals lape it up......He even told Warren you would....

I disagree. As a liberal, i've never laped anyone. I'd bet many liberals that post here have never been laped anyone, either. I know you conservatives LOVE to accuse liberals of lape! I'm no expert, but I guarantee that conservatives and liberals are both equally capable of lape - of course, we'd need a lape measure to actually prove this hypothesis. We'd also need a large group of volunteers to lape - a gang lape, if you will.

Then there is the whole voluntary testing thing, and as everyone knows, you can't lape the willing!

Yes, it's late...goodnight!

 

[John1234]

In this day and ages a lot of small businessess that have employees make $250K.........That is not wealthy........

You consider the top 2% of Americans "not wealthy"?

49k is the median household income correct?
And in many cases "household" means more than 1 person.

That would make 60k considerably above the "middle".
250k is not wealthy, its very wealthy.

In any case, the Obama plan is about neutral for that bracket right?
Before they start to get hit hard they need to be considerably higher.

 

[disneydude]

In this day and ages a lot of small businessess that have employees make $250K.........That is not wealthy........

McCain said that as a joke and of course you liberals lape it up......He even told Warren you would....

He also wants to raise the capital gains tax which would be a tax increase for everyone with a 401K......He also want to cancel the Bush tax cuts in effect would be a tax increase for everyone.........

Sorry to break it to you Navy....but taxable income does not include business expenses that can be written off.
The numbers talk about take home pay.....and again, I'm sorry but I think most Americans would disagree with you and McCain that people who take home 250K a year are not wealthy.

 

[Navy Pride]

You consider the top 2% of Americans "not wealthy"?

49k is the median household income correct?
And in many cases "household" means more than 1 person.

That would make 60k considerably above the "middle".
250k is not wealthy, its very wealthy.

In any case, the Obama plan is about neutral for that bracket right?
Before they start to get hit hard they need to be considerably higher.

I am saying many small businesses that hire a lot of employees make $250K and they are not wealthy............You increase taxes on small businesses people lose jobs..............

 

[Navy Pride]

The party of Lincoln bears absolutely no resemblance to the Republican party today.

Even the Republican party of Barry Goldwater beards no resemblance to the Republican party today.

And to be blatantly honest....even the Ronald Reagan Republican party wouldn't recognize the GOP of today.

This coming from a far lefty who is clueless on the Republican Party.......

I can tell you that JFK would turn over in his grave if he could see what has happened to the democratic party..............

 

[Navy Pride]

Sorry to break it to you Navy....but taxable income does not include business expenses that can be written off.
The numbers talk about take home pay.....and again, I'm sorry but I think most Americans would disagree with you and McCain that people who take home 250K a year are not wealthy.

I notice how you don't mention the capital gain tax that Obama favors whixh would raise taxes on anyone with a 401K..........Weasel out of that one DD........

 

[Truth Detector]

You obviously know little about their tax plans. Check out the topic on McCain's tax plan v. Obama's.
Unless you make over 250K, your taxes go DOWN under Obama.

Obamanomics is a fallacy in that it attempts to give money to people regardless of their tax liability. Obamanomics goes beyond a tax reduction to an income check simply for making the status required to get a check.

Should people get a check regardless of their tax liability? If you say yes, then you think the Government should give money to people simply because they meet an arbitrary class determined by politicians. This is not only dangerous and pandering, but will bankrupt this country.

I guess you agree with McCain that 250K is middle class.

I believe McCain said 5 million....but who's counting.

As a famous President once said to Democrats; "there you go again."

McCain's comment about making $5 million as being middle class was stated in an interview to illustrate the stupidity of politicians making arbitrary decisions about what is considered "middle class." During the interview he laughed and said he probably should not make such comments in jest as his opponents would probably use them out of context.

Not only was he right about the empty headed Obama, but it only took them a day to respond as expected to it.

As for the idiotic logic that middle class should be a number and $250K is rich, I suggest you try to live in Manhattan, Boston or San Francisco on $250K and tell me how rich you feel.

The problem with LIBERAL thinking is that the pie is finite and if someone makes more, someone else must correspondingly make less. However, this is a false view. The pie is infinite in the ability to expand and as others do well, the pie expands and others are brought along with it.

I know Liberals like to chide the trickle down theory, but I have yet to see a trickle up theory that makes as much sense.

 

[Truth Detector]

You consider the top 2% of Americans "not wealthy"?

49k is the median household income correct?
And in many cases "household" means more than 1 person.

That would make 60k considerably above the "middle".
250k is not wealthy, its very wealthy.

In any case, the Obama plan is about neutral for that bracket right?
Before they start to get hit hard they need to be considerably higher.

The fascinating thing about your desperate desire to argue for more taxation is that it presumes that it is better to send the money to Washington so they can waste it rather than allowing the people to keep it and spend it in the economy which creates growth and jobs.

It also presumes that Washington knows better what to do with your money than you do. History suggests that Washington is the worst place to send your money and many of the programs Washington INVENTS do nothing to improve the economic situation of the people they pander to and only creates a dependent class of people and take away CHOICE.

These kinds of arguments and Obamanomics are illustrative if the serious failure of our education system to actually educate our citizens.