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(Poll) JD Vance: judges cannot "tell the American people they’re not allowed to have what they voted for"

Can judges "tell the American people they're not allowed to have what they voted for"


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Except that Presidential EOs that violate the US Constitution are not state alone issues.
And federal district judges do take an oath to uphold the US Constitution and the laws of the US.
The role of the executive as well as the role of the judiciary is codified in the constitution. Judge shopped district judges are usurping presidential responsibility. That the last president ignored that responsibility doesn't require that the current one does as well.
 

If any state (or school within it) is violating the constitution (in any manner) the federal DOJ can (and should) take action.
 

Where in the constitution is education defined as a federal government power? See post #24.
 
If any state (or school within it) is violating the constitution (in any manner) the federal DOJ can (and should) take action.
How when the department is dismantled and the remaining employees have hundreds of files and complaints backlogged?

John Doe from Dallas files a federal complaint and that complaint sits unanswered and not even reviewed for 1 year, or longer. (The wait time prior to the dismantling and lay offs was already at 6-8 months with how understaffed the DOE was)

to the people
This is what federal agencies have grown to address.

John Doe in Dallas has rights that aren’t being protected by his state that are FEDERAL RIGHTS.

And when his state isn’t addressing the failure, John Doe the only recourse left is the federal law. With the dismantling of the Dept of Education - John Doe’s case may never even be reviewed. Let alone adjudicated.
 
Where in the constitution is education defined as a federal government power? See post #24.
IDEA is a federal law.

It is Constitutional and based on:

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the Constitution
AND Section 5 of the 14th Amendment.

The DOE was a mechanism by which IDEA federal law was enforced.


Education is controlled by the state and local authority - but how states provided education has to abide by federal law AND the Constitution.

States can’t just do whatever they want.
 
We have an appelate court system for a reason. It is designed to prevent a single 'rogue' judge hamstringing the administration. All the Trump administration has to do is convince an appelate panel that the district judge was wrong.

There is no need for the time-consuming class-action process while people's basic constitutional rights are being stripped from them. All the judges are saying is make your case before moving forward. Trump can't stand that. He wants what he wants and no judge is going to slow his roll.
 
The Constitution gives the President no powers for enacting laws that are necessary to carry out the powers granted to the federal government, including the power to raise revenue, declare war, and organize the executive and judicial branches. That is in the powers the Constitution gives to Congress and the Judicial branch.
 

Hmm… isn’t that (bolded above) what the DOJ is for?
 
Correct.

Except for emergency powers, which we are seeing him try to manipulate and twist - and that courts are knocking down left and right because there is no legal “emergency” or justification.

He’s trying to exploit legal loopholes and finding that he can’t.
 
Each of Trump's Cabinet appointments are deconstructing their departments.

This destructive process was accelerated by DOGE, an artificial WH entity neither created by nor funded by either the Constitution or Congress.
 

The injunction is issued before the case has been decided.
 
Republicans are fine with this :

 
Hmm… isn’t that (bolded above) what the DOJ is for?
They worked in coordination and conjunction.

With the DOE being more administrative enforcement on an individual basis whereas the DOJ worked more on a systemic basis with criminal enforcement vs. handling individual complaints.

The system was working as designed until right wing idiots who didn’t understand the system aligned with the monied interests intent on dismantling and eroding it

The outcome will likely be that more and more individual districts find themselves not only underfunded due to loss of federal funding, but also find themselves on the receiving end of costly lawsuits because individuals no longer have the recourse of DOE complaints and resort to lawsuits and potential class action lawsuits

It’s a lose-lose for children and tax payers that will foot those bills.

The only winners are those who stand to profit from funneling public money to private educational institutions - which is the end game of the billionaire class currently in power
 
The federal government has no authority when it comes to education. However, what the federal government does have is billions of dollars that the states lap up like kitties at a bowl of milk. There is no constitutional requirement that the feds dole out those billions, and likewise, there is no constitutional requirement that the states take that money.

What the states object to is being accountable for what they do with the billions of federal education funds. They, especially the red states, want to continue recieving the federal largess, but without what they call ' interference' that comes with it.

The states are free to tell the feds to pound sand and regain their sovereignty by rejecting the DOE funds. Then they can do what they want WITH THEIR OWN MONEY.
 

I know what the federal law is, but why pay states for simply doing what they (allegedly) must do?
 
I know what the federal law is, but why pay states for simply doing what they (allegedly) must do?
It’s not what they “allegedly” must do.

It’s what they’re legally obligated to do by not only federal law - but by their own state constitutions.

Why federal money?

Because lots of states and municipalities don’t have the money locally to do it on their own It’s expensive to educate kids in 2025.

The FAFO leopards are waiting in the wings
 

Yep, thus the number (and percentage) of ‘special needs’ students is on the rise. Could that be due to the federal (reward?) funds available for those ‘specially’ designated students?


 

Hmm… thus the federal power of income redistribution has been invoked.
 
The executive does not have the authority to ignore the constitution. This argument from Trump supporters is one of the dumbest, as well as unamerican arguments I’ve ever seen.
 
The fact people are arguing against that pretty basic concept shows how far gone they are.

The minute law and our founding documents get ignored is the minute things completely go to shit.
 
People need to be sufficiently alarmed at what people like Vance are saying, which is basically laying down the pretext for ignoring the courts.

What is happening under the Trump administration is not unconstitutional, it's a struggle between branches of government for jurisdiction and power. The government is operating exactly as was intended.
 
What is happening under the Trump administration is not unconstitutional, it's a struggle between branches of government for jurisdiction and power. The government is operating exactly as was intended.
The executive does not have the authority to amend the constitution via executive orders (14th amendment birthright citizenship). So yes, he is operating in an unconstitutional matter.
 
What is happening under the Trump administration is not unconstitutional, it's a struggle between branches of government for jurisdiction and power. The government is operating exactly as was intended.

It's not. The judicial branch doesn't have power if the Executive decides to ignore its ruling and the Legislative decides it's okay with that. Constitutions are ideas in print. They have no force if actual living, breathing people decide they're not bound to those ideas.
 
The executive does not have the authority to amend the constitution via executive orders (14th amendment birthright citizenship). So yes, he is operating in an unconstitutional matter.

That's yet to be seen.
 
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