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(Poll) JD Vance: judges cannot "tell the American people they’re not allowed to have what they voted for"

Can judges "tell the American people they're not allowed to have what they voted for"


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Hi Mika,

So you Law-People can write in a language we simple souls can also understand! Thank you soo much for this. I know very little about law, but I always thought by myself that if what you do makes sense, than the law is probably behind you. And what you are saying makes complete sense.

I am anti-gun myself, but was a lot more fanatic than I am now. Ironically it is because I lived in Montreal, Canada for several years. It was there, not in the city, but up the mountains and the woods, where I realized that you either need to be very well prepared to go for a hike or you need a gun of some sort. Probably both. But I still maintain that carrying guns around in normal life is a stupid thing to do. Hope it will change one day, would be better for them. Even they don't know it yet.


Joey
 
Hey Jay leave my butt alone. At my age those prostate exams are more than enough. Back to the topic.

Believe it or not not all Proghressives believe higher taxes pay for more social programs automatically. Yes our butts hurt when higher taxes are not used for social programs and a case in point is with Donny Trump and other so called conservatives who increased taxes, but cut social programs at the same time and only allowd tax cuts for a small group who you generalize as "capitalist organizations".

Here is where you and I disagree. I am actually a fiscal conservative and a progressive on social programs.. Its possible to balance both.

Next if you could show me tax cuts or for that matter exemptions or rebates to businesses was indeed earmarked to creating employment and economic spin offs that both benefit your society more than spending that mponey instead through taxes on certain government programs that are wasteful I would agree with you.

My argument is, the businesses in the US that need those tax cuts or rebates or exemptions to grow are NOT getting them and in fact the tariffs are not rerouted to them at all but they do enable monopoly capitalist organizations in your country the ability to prevent such businesses from being able to enter the market place and compete with those large conglamorates. In fact I would argue as many do that the tariffs re destroying any remaining free enterprise markets in the US to allow a few monoplies to control all manufacturing and production to fix high prices using the tariffs as the cover to do so.

Tariffs when used properly to assist businesses grow would only be used when:

1-the foreign product and US product were identical, not where the foreign product coming in is not competing with an American product;

2-further to 1, the tariff would only be used for start up companies and companies under a certain amount of income per year and specifically in fields where there are monopolies that prevent prices directly related to supply and demand;

3-Trump's tariffs are classic socialist intervention in free markets and ironically you love them.
 
You have your narrative to nurture and broadcast.
Nice job preaching to your choir.
 
Hi Jay,

Why you worry about that? It's ok if one does it, but not ok if someone else does it? C'mon, you haven't slid down that far yet, have you?

Joey
The eyes of the public in 2026 will be on the Dems leaders to come up with strategy to take back the House.
We'll see how smart they are.
I hope they continue to trot out AOC and Bernie Sanders for comic effect.
 

Hey Joey, JayPatriot I give shit to but only because I respect his difference in opinion. Next I might have been a law professor and lawyer at one point but I can assure you, Jaypatriot, you, all the others have equally as valid opinions. In fact I apologize to all of you if I sound know it all. I do not mean to. I get caught up in the debate which I love. Jay probably does not know it but I actually agree with some of his conservative discal viuews but I just don't think they are possible.

For example., I think tax cuts and trickle down theory have been more than proven false precisely because they never went to helping small businesses add to the conomy:



I referred you to non legal essays above. I would bore you to hell with the legal journals explaining of how selective tax cuts actually failed to generate business in the Reagan and Bush eras and how measures taken by Clinton worked better.

That said I am a strong proponent in any country assisting its fledging small businesses. I am deeply suspicious of how large conglamorates control their respective countries' fiscal policies for their own interests/

Those are all just my opinions. I respect you and Jay and anyone else on this board.
 
May I also say Joeyjoystick is the most questionable name on this forum. I am sure Jaypariot and Majorie Taylor Greene misunderstands what it means and want a law against it.

note: that was a joke
 
Nope. As the 4 SCOTUS rulings I have you told you. You can’t ban any firearm in common use. AR’s are in common use and can’t be banned. These state cases are working their way to SCOTUS. They declined to hear the cases while they are working their way through the circuits.
 
Of course, as an anti-Trump Progressive you want high taxes to pay for more social programs. I want lower corporate taxes to fuel growth in capitalist organizations which translates into more tax revenues to grow GDP.
This simply doesn’t happen. We have 4 decades of data showing you this.
I want Trump to win and you want him to lose because you are still butt-hurt over Hillary's embarrassing loss last November.
 
I sure hope none of those b-headed Dems leaders read your post and get ideas for if and when they win back the House.

Why not?
If it's ok for Republicans then it's ok for Democrats?
 
So it's all black and white to you?
You want all appointed federal judges to be able to stop the president from exercising his authority? Regardless of the logic behind their reasoning?
No judge has stopped the president from exercising his authority. The have stopped him from overstepping his authority, which is what were asked to do in a formal petition of the court (complaint of the plaintiff). This idea that they are "activists" is idiotic given 1) the judge can not just rule, they are petitioned by a harmed party and 2) the rulings are coming from different judges of different backgrounds on different issues.

When will Trump supporters "man-up" and start to question Trump rather than judges?


Yes, this is the route the Trump Administration must take: "If the Administration thinks the Judge has ruled wrongly, they can appeal - all the way to SCOTUS if they like."
That is the right of anyone that does not agree with a court decision.
 
May I also say Joeyjoystick is the most questionable name on this forum.

Hi Mika,

I realized that shortly after I created this name.... lol.

Not sure I told the story before.

It was x-mas 2000 I think. My wife had bought me MS Flight Simulator. I had bought myself a fancy joystick for the game. I needed a new email account. And I needed a pseudonym. So I figured I used my best friends Joe and I was soo happy with FS and the joystick that I added that when I realized that joey@hotmail.com was already taken... haha. And I have used this ever since. I am not the only one with this name though. but it is a bit uncommon I think. I know why and where it comes from. So I do not care. I not mean harm. But the question has been asked many times over the years. And I will admit that I will never use it to send a CV to a potential employer.

My nephew even called me once and said; I know how you got that name! And he then send me a picture of a dildo called JoeyJoystick. But no, that was not me. The colour was wrong and my wife wished it was me. So nope, not me.


Joey
 

Sadly that isn’t what the Legal website says. Nor the actual SCOTUS decision. But I’m sure the Twitter post by a guy who once drove past a law school was different.
 
You wrote: "No judge has stopped the president from exercising his authority. The have stopped him from overstepping his authority,:

And just who is the judge of deciding whether Trump is guilty of "overstepping his authority"? How is it "overstepping"? Is it because a federal judge has the power to stop the President regardless if it makes sense or not?.


That's what the Appellate Courts and the Supreme Court are there to decide.
 
Why not?
If it's ok for Republicans then it's ok for Democrats?
The GOP has to keep control of the House; not win it back.
We'll see if the weakened Dems have the courage and smarts to win back the House next year.
 
LOL
 
I am not sure what definition to when you use : common use" let alone claiming its a constitutional test for whether state or federal laws can ban certain types of weapons.

I am not aware of any law, state or federal that claims if a gun us commonly owned. used, or is popular that prevents it from being banned including the decisions you seem to refer to.

In fact there are weapons that are now banned as we speak in certain states but not others that could have been and could be used for common use.

When you use the term "common use" I wish to make clear to you your courts have not defined whether a gun is banned because of common (popular) use but because of the inherent nature of its kill potential.

So your continued statements are incorrect and I defer back to Savanah or anyone else you try claim wrong. I

If what you said is true, then the guns banned under the list I now present would not be banned:


Also while federal law does not ban AK's some states do and some heavily restrict their use:



What weapons should be put on ban lists remains open to debate.

I personally believe any rapid fire weapon or weapon capable of being adjusted to rapid fire should not be sold to the public to protect the police and innocent people from mass shooters.

I defend anyone;s right to own a weapon if they agree to self regulate through a hunting or other non profit association or club licensed by a government and teaches people how to store and clean their weapons and stay up to date on maintaining them and making sure to use them with safety.

My issue is not with necessity hunters who grew up in rural areas having to hunt to eat. They are for the most part self regulated. My issue is with certain hunters who claim they need AK or rapid fire weapons to hunt. That for me is laziness and not genuine. There are plenty of other hunting weapons that can be used-they just don't want to develop the discipline to use them.

Also having had to live in a conflict zone and carry weapons I hate them. I hate hand guns. I respect people who own them and use them at gun clubs and store them there. I do not have confidence in any citizen with a hand gun at home. For the most part they are stored improperly leading to accidental death by being appropriated by a child or suicidal person or theft.

I think we need to always err on the side of safety in regards to children and not assume the average person handles a hand gun with accuracy or care and instead is more likely to kill themselves than an intruder.

Ne I absolutely argue on this forum that stricter gun registration laws are needed, gun manufacturers can and should put in tracking devices and more safety measures and there be far better psychiatric/psychological screening of potential gun owners.

I defer to what your American police departments and the ATF say on this subject I know people in the ATF. I respect what they say about what more can be done.

In Canada all our gun laws are federal and the current contraversy is the current ban list put on rifles that rural hunters need to be able to hunt with.
 


J.D. Vance is kind of living proof that the American educational system and system of government are garbage.

He made it through college, through a military career and he's dumber than a bonsai plant.

Based on the cream that rises to thee top in American politics I would recommend not eating................ever
 


Please don't tell it again.
 
Sadly that isn’t what the Legal website says.
It’s what SCOTUS said lol.
Nor the actual SCOTUS decision.
You need to actually read heller, McDonald, Caetano and especially Bruen.
But I’m sure the Twitter post by a guy who once drove past a law school was different.
It’s amusing you think this is cute, or an argument. The facts remain. SCOTUS explicitly told you that any firearm in common use can not be banned.
 
Refuted this already. See Heller, McDonald, Caetano and Bruen. SCOTUS explicitly told you they can’t be banned.
 

And yet the Supremes allowed a ban to continue in the 1st and 4th Circuit Courts of Appeals.

So it be legal there.


They denied Cert. they are not hearing the case. It is not returned for further consideration by lower courts. It’s a done deal.
 
Because those cases are working their way through the circuits.

No it isn’t lol

The laws are still on the books. The courts did not overturn the ban. So you would not be buying an AR-15 in those states. You won’t be buying high capacity magazines. The ban is legal because the Supremes declined the opportunity to answer the question. Some day, way off in the future, that ban may be overturned. But it is in effect now.