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Poll finds some US Muslim support for suicide attacks

Don't shoot the messenger. Im just posting the news. I report you decide:mrgreen:

I'm not talking about the news story, which is ridiculous on it's own. I'm talking about your assertion that we should be alarmed because 13% had a negative view of the US
 
Source: Fox News Fare and Balanced
May 23, 2007

A new Pew Research poll of American Muslims came out yesterday. According to the poll most American Muslims have assimilated to our society. However there are some disturbing results. 40% of American muslims do not believe arabs were responsible for the attacks on 9/11. And 13% believe homicide bombing in defense of Islam is justified.

Iv'e posted a link to the story as well as a link to a PDF of the poll ~ Sgt Rock

FOXNews.com - Poll: One in Four U.S. Muslims OK With Homicide Bombings Against Innocent Civilians - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News

http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf


What is really unbelieveable is some of our left wing "feel good" liberals in this forum would have no problem or doubt in electing a Muslim president...........
 
That wasn't my question. In this great land of freedom and liberty, what would you do about this? How do you solve this problem?

Making liberals like you believe there is a problem would help.......
 
support for terrorism is not unique among Muslims. I'm afraid we're talking about a human thing, not a Muslim thing.

According to this poll, 38% of US Citizens said that killing civilians is part of what war is all about.

Method behind AP-Ipsos poll on Iraq - USATODAY.com

And according to this poll, 17% said that there has been an acceptable number of Iraqi civilian casualties in Iraq.

Unacceptable Death Toll in Iraq, Say Americans: Angus Reid Global Monitor

This story reports that “Americans are more approving of terrorist attacks against civilians than any major Muslim country except for Nigeria.”

The myth of Muslim support for terror | csmonitor.com
 
Source: Fox News Fare and Balanced
May 23, 2007

A new Pew Research poll of American Muslims came out yesterday. According to the poll most American Muslims have assimilated to our society. However there are some disturbing results. 40% of American muslims do not believe arabs were responsible for the attacks on 9/11. And 13% believe homicide bombing in defense of Islam is justified.

Iv'e posted a link to the story as well as a link to a PDF of the poll ~ Sgt Rock

FOXNews.com - Poll: One in Four U.S. Muslims OK With Homicide Bombings Against Innocent Civilians - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News

http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf
Funny how Fox News spins this story, isn't it? USA Today's headline reads:

Poll: American Muslims reject extremes

By Haya El Nasser, USA TODAY

The USA's estimated 2.4 million Muslims hold more moderate political views than Muslims elsewhere in the world and are mostly middle class and willing to adopt the American way of life, according to one of the most comprehensive surveys of this segment of the nation's population.

The Pew Research Center study released Tuesday found that "Muslim Americans are very much like the rest of the country," says Luis Lugo, director of the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. "They do not see a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society.
Source: Poll: American Muslims reject extremes - USATODAY.com

Amazing how Fox can take a story and use it like Republicans always like to do, to scare people into doing what the Republicans want.

I'm not surprised because all anyone has to do is read in this very Forum how some of the radical right wingers here discriminate against everything Muslim almost all the time. Some of you even use Obama's middle name as a scare tactic though the only people stupid enough to consider someone's middle name as a reason to vote for against him are the really hard core bigots in this Forum. There's no reason to name all of you because your posts so obviously belie your racism and hatred for everything Muslim.
 
With the P.C. disease that has inflicted our society today there is nothing we can do. The greatest generation would have known what to do. We are to pussified now. ~ Sgt Rock
So you want to round up all the Muslims in America and put them in determent camps like your WWII heroes did to the Japanese?

WOW! That's a pretty scary statement there Sarge.
 
You will notice there is not one single thing on that list that might alarm ANYONE. Each step is relatively insignificant in itself but collectively and cumulatively they are the kind of campaign designed to be so unnoticeable that before we knew it there would be nothing and no one to attack.

So all you "Patriots" who say you are ready to defend America if it is ever under attack. Well, there may be no 'attack' in the way you'd expect but America would be put in a hurt nonetheless.
Can you please shorten your right wing propaganda posts? The common courtesy here is to post one or two paragraphs and the link so that those of us who do not wish to read your propaganda do not have to be so bothered.
 
What is really unbelieveable is some of our left wing "feel good" liberals in this forum would have no problem or doubt in electing a Muslim president...........
Who is this mystery candidate Navy Pride? Can you name him?

I think it is incredibly STUPID to only judge someone because they are Muslim, Jewish, Catholic, Atheist et al. It's the very worst type of bigotry and fortunately only a really small percentage of Americans would use a single criteria like religion to decide who to vote for. It's so damn small minded.
 
Making liberals like you believe there is a problem would help.......

My brand of liberalism is probably a lot more conservative that you. But regardless of political affiliation, what would you do to solve this problem? There are Muslims in America, many of them American citizens, they have this opinion which is quite unfortunate and hurtful. What is the solution to this? Sure, making us poor stupid "liberals" understand that there is a problem may do something, but that doesn't address the problem with the people with these opinions. What is the solution?
 
What is really unbelieveable is some of our left wing "feel good" liberals in this forum would have no problem or doubt in electing a Muslim president...........

It would depend on his/her political platform and whether or not I feel I could trust them. Hell, I think we'd be better off with an atheist instead of some fanatical theist, but I appear to be in the great minority on that one. If a Muslim politician were to capture my vote, they probably wouldn't belong to the radical, terrorist sect...but I suppose that's more than the superficial, kneejerk response you endorse.
 
You will notice there is not one single thing on that list that might alarm ANYONE. Each step is relatively insignificant in itself but collectively and cumulatively they are the kind of campaign designed to be so unnoticeable that before we knew it there would be nothing and no one to attack.

So all you "Patriots" who say you are ready to defend America if it is ever under attack. Well, there may be no 'attack' in the way you'd expect but America would be put in a hurt nonetheless.

BS there's nothing on there that would alarm anyone! The first thing on the list is alarming, do you actually think that would be allowed?
 
So you want to round up all the Muslims in America and put them in determent camps like your WWII heroes did to the Japanese?

WOW! That's a pretty scary statement there Sarge.

Did I say we should put Muslims in internment camps.

Don't you think the greatest generation (WWII) were heroes? They defeated the Nazi's and the Japanese empire. Something that I do not think we could do today because of the spineless whimps in congress.
 
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What is really unbelieveable is some of our left wing "feel good" liberals in this forum would have no problem or doubt in electing a Muslim president...........

Maybe because we believe that there is something in a document called "The Constitution of the United States" (heard of it?)....that says that one of the rights guarenteed to citizens of this Country is the freedom to practice one's religion (I could be wrong...but I don't recall it saying anything about "Freedom to practice" Christianity).....

That said....although I am a follower of Christ, I would not have any problem casting a vote for a jewish candidate, a buddhist candidate, an athiest, a muslim....because their religion is their religion and I respect their freedom under this Great Country to practice their beliefs.

Believe it or not Navy....but there are MANY MANY Muslims in this Country who are NOT terrorists. The fact that you want to stereotype them us such does not make it true.

Now....I wouldn't vote for someone who I thought would implement policies that would be detrimental to the US (which is exactly why I did not vote for Bush).....but I would never assume ill will based solely on an individuals religious beliefs. To do so would be to spit on the very document that is the basis for our freedoms in America....and would be Un-American.
 
Did I say we should put Muslims in internment camps.

Don't you think the greatest generation (WWII) were heroes? They defeated the Nazi's and the Japanese empire. Something that I do not think we could do today because of spineless people like you in our congress.
Thank you for the kind and very personal words about my spine. :2wave:

MY father was in the Army for WWII and he was born in Germany. Moved here in 1939 and enlisted in 1941 and served overseas until 1946 as a "secretary" to Gen. Eisenhower. He was never locked away because he was German and he was an amazing asset to General Eisenhower (I have letters from him saved away praising my Dad).

My point is that had there been the sort of fever against Germans that there is today against Muslims my life might have very well turned out different. My Dad got by because he was Jewish. Japanese Americans did not get by and were abused.

As I read posts in this Forum I see the same type of abuse potential for Muslims and I think that sucks. Don't you?

BTW - Being a macho warrior means nothing to me because look what acting that way has done for us in Iraq? When will you realize that the only solution in Iraq will be through diplomacy not through war? And until the Iraqis have enough "spine" to stand up and defend themselves more Americans are going to be sacrificed for nothing.

If we leave then the Iraqis will have to defend themselves, a novel concept considering it's been 4+ years.
 
BTW - Being a macho warrior means nothing to me because look what acting that way has done for us in Iraq? When will you realize that the only solution in Iraq will be through diplomacy not through war? And until the Iraqis have enough "spine" to stand up and defend themselves more Americans are going to be sacrificed for nothing.

If we leave then the Iraqis will have to defend themselves, a novel concept considering it's been 4+ years.

Personally, I think that some combination of diplomacy and direct action (war, combat, etc) is the proper process. Diplomacy cannot solve all problems, but neither can war.
 
Personally, I think that some combination of diplomacy and direct action (war, combat, etc) is the proper process. Diplomacy cannot solve all problems, but neither can war.
I agree but in Iraq our presence is making everything worse not better so if we remove ourselves we remove one of the big problems causing violence there.
 
I agree but in Iraq our presence is making everything worse not better so if we remove ourselves we remove one of the big problems causing violence there.

That is your opinion, and that of many others. However, there are an at least somewhat equal number of persons who disagree.

Including myself.

I personally do not think that our presence in Iraq is making everything worse. Indeed, some things are improving because of our presence in Iraq.

However, I do not think we are going about it correctly. Or at least we were not, we shall see what this troop surge thing does.
 
That is your opinion, and that of many others. However, there are an at least somewhat equal number of persons who disagree.

Including myself.

I personally do not think that our presence in Iraq is making everything worse. Indeed, some things are improving because of our presence in Iraq.

However, I do not think we are going about it correctly. Or at least we were not, we shall see what this troop surge thing does.
The so-called surge is a misnomer by any measurement but that is not what this thread is about. The question for the right wingers out there is what is Plan B or Plan C if the "surge" is not successful?
 
Anyway, about the thread topic.......

It seems that at least some percentage of young muslims here in the USA do not have a problem with suicide attacks on civilian targets.

This, from almost any perspective I can think of, is a bad thing.

Especially if the point raised by others on this thread is valid. Who is to say that there is not a percentage of non-muslim young persons who feel the same way?

Unless the people who answered that they supported suicide attacks are actually terrorists (hmm, interesting terror tactic), we should try and see why said young muslims came to this point of view, and attempt to change the factors that prompted such.

Because 13% overall and 1/4 of young muslims is way too high. I seriously doubt that 1/4 of any other group would answer the same.
 
Anyway, about the thread topic.......

It seems that at least some percentage of young muslims here in the USA do not have a problem with suicide attacks on civilian targets.

This, from almost any perspective I can think of, is a bad thing.

Especially if the point raised by others on this thread is valid. Who is to say that there is not a percentage of non-muslim young persons who feel the same way?

Unless the people who answered that they supported suicide attacks are actually terrorists (hmm, interesting terror tactic), we should try and see why said young muslims came to this point of view, and attempt to change the factors that prompted such.

Because 13% overall and 1/4 of young muslims is way too high. I seriously doubt that 1/4 of any other group would answer the same.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/556165-post29.html
 
Quoting the post you linked too:
support for terrorism is not unique among Muslims. I'm afraid we're talking about a human thing, not a Muslim thing.

According to this poll, 38% of US Citizens said that killing civilians is part of what war is all about.

Method behind AP-Ipsos poll on Iraq - USATODAY.com
Not sure how this applies to my post.

And as this is most likely the poll question in question:
5. When you hear about the deaths of civilians in Iraq, do you personally tend to feel upset, or more that their deaths are unfortunate but part of what war is all about?

•Feel upset, 60 percent

•What war is all about, 38 percent

•Not sure, 2 percent
It seems your statement is somewhat misleading.

Where did you see any indication that those 38% would condone suicide attacks upon civilians?

And according to this poll, 17% said that there has been an acceptable number of Iraqi civilian casualties in Iraq.

Unacceptable Death Toll in Iraq, Say Americans: Angus Reid Global Monitor
Again, not sure how it applies to my post.

And again, the poll question in question:
Has there been an acceptable or unacceptable number of Iraqi civilian casualties in Iraq?

  • Acceptable 17%
  • Unacceptable 77%
  • Not sure 6%

Again, how does this poll provide any indication that the 17% would condone suicide attacks upon civilians?

This story reports that “Americans are more approving of terrorist attacks against civilians than any major Muslim country except for Nigeria.”

The myth of Muslim support for terror | csmonitor.com

First off, Is there a link you could offer for the survey mentioned in this article? I would like to go over it. And I distrust an article which mentions a survey/poll without a link to said study. Unless such is not possible, which they should have mentioned

Secondly, one could argue that this supports my point. Or at least part of my point.
 
Who is this mystery candidate Navy Pride? Can you name him?

I think it is incredibly STUPID to only judge someone because they are Muslim, Jewish, Catholic, Atheist et al. It's the very worst type of bigotry and fortunately only a really small percentage of Americans would use a single criteria like religion to decide who to vote for. It's so damn small minded.


I agree on the Jewish, Catholic and Atheist but I could not be a "Feel Good" liberal like you and vote for a Muslim who might want to kill me........sorry
 
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