There should not be any "bailout" option. The city government created this mess and if the citizens want to save their city it is up to them it do it themselves.
The city government, obviously comprised of greed-suckers, created the devastation, but your solution is to thrust the burden upon he innocent people to pull themselves out.
With respect to the pensioners --was Detroit's mismanagement their fault?
If Goldman Sachs can get 100 cents on the dollar and it was their fault, I think we can find away to restructure debt and allow those who did their part to get what is owed.
Innocent? Who VOTED those "greed-suckers" into office? Take some responsibility. That's one of the problems with our current society, no one accepts any responsibility for the negative results of things they helped create.
I've watched some of the "documentaries" about Detroit, showing town hall meetings. All I saw was people crying "gimme gimme gimme" while the government representatives kept saying "we don't have the tax base anymore." No compromise, no solutions, just a lot of demands.
Well, you made your bed now lie in it! Or else get up and out of it and REMAKE it. Very simple, facing reality and dealing with it.
People often vote for elected officials believing they are the best candidate only to find out that they are really demagogues.
It's always easy to tear people down, kick them to the curb, and refuse them any help, but that's not a solution. That's exacerbating the problem, which most likely will spread to other cities.
Instead of assigning the Sisyphean task of saving Detroit to the citizens, why not search and procure different solutions.
It's not only Detroit crying gimme gimme gimme. In case you aren't aware, Sen. Rand Paul also cries gimme gimme gimme. For every dollar Kentucky sends to Washington, they get $1.52 back.
And how does that program help Detroit and its people?
Could you wax eloquently for a few minutes about personal responsibility and accepting the consequences of your choices for living in a flood plain?
Could you discuss the elements of accepting personal responsibility of living along the coast where destructive and deadly seasonal storms are merely par for the course?
Could you pontificate about the duty to accept responsibility of living in a part of the nation where a fault exists in the earth and earthquakes are inevitable?
Could you educate us about the duty to accept personal responsibility of living in a part of the country with precious little water which has to be expensively taken from other areas of the nation just so others can live in that climate?
Could you inform us about the duty to accept personal responsibility for living in a tornado alley which you know darn well is subject to a high probability of damage on a somewhat regular basis?
Please do illuminate the dark recesses of our minds on all these things connected with personal responsibility.
Actually a natural disaster is no different than any other disaster in that it hurts Americans and requires aid to them. You say "through no fault of their own". Really? Who forced or imprisoned those people to live along the Eastern seaboard or the Gulf Coast? Who sentenced people to live in a hurricane prone area or a tornado alley? Who imprisoned the people along river flood plains? Who doomed innocent people to live on earthquake fault lines?
And what exactly are you punishing people in Detroit for that you want them to accept "the consequences of their actions"? Are they to be punished because they performed a job for thirty or forty years and fulfilled their end of that contract and now want the other party to uphold their end? That is something you condemn as a bad action?
Having been to Detroit many times, I've always said, let Windsor annex her...
Ingrate. We'll throw in Scranton too. And Newark.We don't want it.
The city government, obviously comprised of greed-suckers, created the devastation, but your solution is to thrust the burden upon he innocent people to pull themselves out.
Because I believe that an involved populace becomes a civic minded one. As long as people can escape the results of their errors they have no motivation for change. Get them involved in the problem, tell them it's on their shoulders and suddenly they are willing to see the value of compromises and solutions.
Some people will run, some people will hide, but some will do what needs doing and be all the better for it. NO BAILOUTS!! Fix it yourself, not just in Detroit...EVERYWHERE!
AArrggh! How hard is it to understand? NO BAILOUTS! People need to stop thinking that government has an unlimited fund of money (regardless of fiat cash) and can just pour it onto any fire we cry about. The money comes from US, the citizens. The government uses this idea to promote deficit spending...and here we are trillions in debt.
If a city get's into financial troubles it is up to the local citizenry to FIX it. That means sitting down together and facing FACTS!!! Then coming up with a proper plan that deals with REALITY!
Geeez, does everyone think they deserve free and unlimited access to tax dollars?
So the solution is to place the burden on the shoulders of single mothers, who are working 2 and 3 jobs just to keep food on the table, and the children who are hungry.
Let me be the fist the say, you would make a very unfit public servant.
It's that consequence of people feeling the gov't has free and unlimited access to our money... Of course that's an overstatement, but it won't change how people feel about it.
If you want to break the long line of precedence that each side uses as justifications and make an example of a group that already gets more representation, more tax breaks, more benefits than work-a-day citizens... start making consistent examples of finance, energy and insurance... and gov't... then we can talk about what the people must suffer through.
The cycle needs to be broken, no question. Bailouts need to be stopped, period. It's just sad that with all the possibilities to end that string of precedences prior to Detroit... all were missed opportunities.
Don't play that "appeal to emotion" crap in a debate on issues. You trying to tell me that most, if not all citizens of Detroit are "single mothers working 2 and 3 jobs to keep food on the table for hungry children?" Most of over 700,000 people? HARDLY!
There would be no "unfit publice servants" if people who resided in a city were a little more civic minded. Now, after refusing to recognize a problem despite it being brought to their attention again and again, these fair citizens of Detroit deserve to be bailed out? HARDLY!
These same citizens who refuse to allow cost-cutting reductions in city services, who demand MORE services that cannot be paid for? Who know that industry refuses to pay $30 an hour for labor, but refuses to see that Industrial flight resulted? They deserve to be bailed out? HARDLY!
Detroit still has the resources and the tax base to solve it's own problems. Tighten the belt, sell off property, reorganize, and find solutions with the help of it's own citizens. NO one there deserves to be BAILED OUT! Whining notwithstanding.
Come on liberals. Ya'll need to get behind this in a big way.
Innocent? Who VOTED those "greed-suckers" into office? Take some responsibility. That's one of the problems with our current society, no one accepts any responsibility for the negative results of things they helped create.
I've watched some of the "documentaries" about Detroit, showing town hall meetings. All I saw was people crying "gimme gimme gimme" while the government representatives kept saying "we don't have the tax base anymore." No compromise, no solutions, just a lot of demands.
Well, you made your bed now lie in it! Or else get up and out of it and REMAKE it. Very simple, facing reality and dealing with it.
I say we privatize Detroit.
Well, it would seem that you single-handedly have solved the problem in your world of fantasy.
LOL It's only a fanatasy for people who refuse to accept responsibility. People who take responsibility take action and save themselves; those who don't end up watching flood waters rise, then drown waiting for rescue.
Who lives in the world of fantasy? Those who act, or those who can act but prefer to beg for help? Or maybe those who make excuses for those who refuse to act?
Dude, don't point to prior wrongs as if this justifies another wrong. I fought hard against the first bailout back then and every one since. In fact, during the first bailout attempt I organized a large block of calls that got our representative to vote against it. Then they re-voted again without much warning and got it passed anyway. I never voted for my representative again.
Yes, the cycle needs to be broken...NOW! People should also be aware after the last fiasco that government does not serve them it serves the special interests. Only by taking an active interest, as I insist the citizens of Detroit start doing, will we ever be able to start curing that.
And how does that program help Detroit and its people?
Could you wax eloquently for a few minutes about personal responsibility and accepting the consequences of your choices for living in a flood plain?
Could you discuss the elements of accepting personal responsibility of living along the coast where destructive and deadly seasonal storms are merely par for the course?
Could you pontificate about the duty to accept responsibility of living in a part of the nation where a fault exists in the earth and earthquakes are inevitable?
Could you educate us about the duty to accept personal responsibility of living in a part of the country with precious little water which has to be expensively taken from other areas of the nation just so others can live in that climate?
Could you inform us about the duty to accept personal responsibility for living in a tornado alley which you know darn well is subject to a high probability of damage on a somewhat regular basis?
Please do illuminate the dark recesses of our minds on all these things connected with personal responsibility.
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