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Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases


It's my position that the republicans have done nothing, since their plan was doomed from the start.

The Senate would have passed a budget, among other things, if we were operating under majority rule, which worked pretty well for several centuries -- until the new breed of psycho republicans determined that nothing can be done absent a super majority.
 

I think we would be better off with a smaller more efficient govt. It would be great if we had a country that business needed no oversight. However, some companies have shown not to be responsible. You used the EPA as an example of one branch you would eliminate. I have no faith that companies/business can or will self regulate. When was the last time a coal power plant on its own added scrubbers to reduce sulfer emmissions? When was the last time a private water company reduced contaminates in its water on its own?

Sometimes their is a need for outside oversite. If business were self regulating we would not have sites that need to be cleaned up.
 
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The Prof said:
LOL!

he had 60 senators for a year

he had 53 on may 25: President's budget sinks, 97-0 - TheHill.com

you don't know what you're talking about
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Yes, the 97-0 canard. The vote was a put-up by Republicans who were cheesed about Ryan's proposal going up in flames.

As you know, under the new republican order, a simple majority accomplishes nothing. Republicans have decided that the minority now has the authority to derail government in all matters, big and small. It's really quite astonishing.
 
barack the slasher hussein's printed budget, duly submitted to congress, february 14---a republican PUT UP

LOL!

poor slash

sometimes SIXTY senators just aint ENOUGH
 
The Prof said:
barack the slasher hussein's printed budget, duly submitted to congress, february 14---a republican PUT UP

LOL!

poor slash

sometimes SIXTY senators just aint ENOUGH
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More empty political theater by the republicans.

"Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) demanded a vote on Obama’s budget to show that Democrats don’t support any detailed budget blueprint.

McConnell said Obama’s budget “continues the unsustainable status quo.”

He noted during a floor speech Wednesday that Democrats initially applauded the plan.

The president’s budget called for ending tax cuts for the wealthy and a three-year domestic spending freeze, saving an estimated $1.1 trillion over 10 years. Democratic senators at the time called it “an important step forward”, “a good start” and a “credible blueprint.”

No Democratic senator was willing to support it, however, after Obama discussed a more ambitious plan at George Washington University to save $4 trillion over 12 years. Republicans criticized his speech for lacking detail."
 

Not sure I understand your logic (?). If you understand how legislation works oftentimes something is passed in one house something is passed in the other house that is somewhat different and then there is a reconciliation process. To say that one side did less than the other by actually doing something versus the other side just saying we don't like that and calling it an action seems almost stupid, but perhaps just political hackery.

Have the senate democrats put out a budget that was tied up or is this just an outright lie on your part.
 

First, I didn't say the Republicans have done less. They have both, in effect, done nothing. Democrats have not put forward proposed budgets because they know they will be filibustered by republicans. Republicans have put forward bills that they know will fail in the Senate. The net effect is the same: nothing.

Republicans thought they were being clever by voting on the Ryan budget -- a naked attempt to play up their base. As it turns out, it was massive self inflicted wound. Even their own constituents were appalled at the attempt to dismantle Medicare.
 
AdamT said:
The president's budget called for ending tax cuts for the wealthy
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it sure did

Democratic senators at the time called it an important step forward, a good start, a credible blueprint
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true

No Democratic senator was willing to support it, however
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LOL!

leadership, anyone?
 

While I do not agree with the Ryan plan, I do give him points for taking on an issue that will leave Americans in an awful place if we just stick stick our head in the sand. Maybe I am not partisan enough to discuss these type of things on a site called "debate politics". I would rather have a discussion about economics and what will create a viable economy.

Perhaps if you had that type of thinking you might say that the Ryan plan and someother things that were passed was a way to start a discussion on issues that need to be addressed.

I have little interest in winding up in a place like Greece or Ireland where outside entities come in and say you need destructive changes to your economy lest we cut off funding.

The Fed has done this country a grave disservice keeping interest rates so low so long. People seem to not know or again put their head in the sand on this issue. If interest rates were at normalized levels say 5.5% on 10 year treasuries, interest cost would be 2-3% higher or about 300-400 billion more in interest payments and an even higher deficit.
 
AdamT said:
Democrats have not put forward proposed budgets because they know they will be filibustered by republicans.
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LOL!

leadership, anyone?
 
The Prof said:
LOL!

leadership, anyone?
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Prof, shhhhhhhhh! I think the public is becoming more and more aware of which party is actually attempting to put forward a plan while the other party is merely sniping those proposals while making no proposal to move towards lowering the deficit. We should be happy to have the Dems to continue their obstructionist views.
 

:lamo :lamo :lamo

There are no so blind as the partisan who refuses to see. :coffeepap
 

I'm happy to discuss it from an economic standpoint. Is it your opinion that it was a mistake to stimulate the economy? And the proper course now, as the economy is clearly fragile, is to put the brakes on government spending?
 
AdamT said:
I'm happy to discuss it from an economic standpoint. Is it your opinion that it was a mistake to stimulate the economy? And the proper course now, as the economy is clearly fragile, is to put the brakes on government spending?
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Krugman answer or the real one?
 

Reid and the Democrats are voting as I type to table Boehner's bill.
 
What is the definition of a "spending cut"? We know what a tax increase is. We've all seen that. We've never seen a government spending cut. What is it? Let's see, is it spending less next year than this year? No. It isn't that. So, what is it?
 
Patrickt said:
What is the definition of a "spending cut"? We know what a tax increase is. We've all seen that. We've never seen a government spending cut. What is it? Let's see, is it spending less next year than this year? No. It isn't that. So, what is it?
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Actually it would be. And it should include the BIG THREE.
 
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