What about the "Fighting Irish"?
Sounds like a not so subtle slander that portrays the Irish as belligerent and probably drunkards.
It depicts a NA warrior. Not a NA farmer, mayor, medicine man, philosopher or peace activist.
When you claim the entire race is warriors, you are claiming they are warmongers.
Oh that's not very nice.Sure, but Irish is not a race.
It depicts a NA warrior. Not a NA farmer, mayor, medicine man, philosopher or peace activist.
What makes you think he's a warrior? There is nothing in the logo outside regular everyday Native American dress of the 19th century.
But were they 'real' Indians being polled or did they just say they were?
"...The flaw in random and anonymous polls of Native Americans' opinion is that they must rely upon self-identification to select the target group. In an editorial in the Bloomington Herald Times, Steve Russell (an enrolled Cherokee citizen and associate professor of criminal justice at Indiana University), states that both the Sports Illustrated and Annenberg's samples of "self-identified Native Americans... includes plenty of people who have nothing to do with Indians".[76]
The problem of individuals claiming to be Native American when they are not is well known in academic research, and is a particular problem when non-natives claim Indian identity specifically to gain authority in the debate over sports mascots. In the Annenberg Poll, respondents were asked their race however, before being questioned about the teams' name.[75][77]....
At the Center for Indigenous Peoples Studies at California State University, San Bernardino a survey has conducted of 400 individuals whose identity as Native American was verified, finding that 67% agreed with the statement that "Redskins" is offensive and racist. The response from non-natives was almost the opposite, with 68% responding that the name is not offensive.
Redskin (slang) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Soo...67% of 'authentic' Indians are offended by the use of redskins.
It's a football team. Think they put a farmer there?
It's a football team. Anyway, check out the history.
Actually, there's nothing in the logo to preclude any of those.
http://www.indians.org/articles/feathers.htmlThe only way an Indian can actually get one of these [eagle] feathers is by doing a brave deed, like fighting off a bear or going up against the enemy. They were never allowed to wear the feather until they went in front of their tribal court and retold the story of their victory. It was at this time that they were allowed to put it in their headpiece. Only chieftains, warriors, and braves have ever been awarded this special gift.
Actually, it's more a case of using fake Indians to shape the debate so that the voices of real Indians can't be heard....Ah yes. Activists use "verification" as a way to shape their sample and then find the result they wanted. No better (and probably worse) than the Annenberg and SI samples.
It's not my fault the poll is flawed.
It's a warrior. Stop playing stupid.
Washington Redskins Logos - National Football League (NFL) - Chris Creamer's Sports Logos Page - SportsLogos.Net
And if the spear logo doesn't convince you of the intended idea:
Discover the symbolism behind Native American feathers
I think it's ridiculous that you need someone to prove the NA depicted is a warrior.
Actually, it's more a case of using fake Indians to shape the debate so that the voices of real Indians can't be heard....
Redskins' Indian-Chief Defender: Not A Chief, Probably Not Indian
I rooted for them until they ran out on the field with their hands up.
Now, I dont care if the disband the team.
I have never excluded a warrior from the depiction. I have only pointed out there is nothing explicitly warlike in the logo. That is true and nothing you have posted refutes it. Furthermore, some of the greatest warriors were also among the greatest philosophers and statesmen. Red Cloud comes to mind.
It's not just an average NA, it's a warrior leader. Denying that is just stupid. If one accepts that it's a warrior then one must decide if stereotyping NAs as warriors is a good, neutral or bad thing.
He might or might not be a warrior. He actually looks a little long in the tooth to still be fighting. He looks like a tribal elder.
My poll is not flawed.
Did you forget we're talking about a football team. Enough of that stupidity. Let's make this simple:
There is NO acceptable depiction of a race as a logo. Why? Because stereotyping a race is wrong, it marginalizes those left out.
You are not entitled to sling words like "stupidity" around.
I certainly am. Let me know when you understand racial stereotypes are bad for society. I know, they're really good for racist organizations and those guys will lose out, but them's the breaks.
I don't believe there's a racial stereotype involved here.
No one except perhaps the NFL commissioner using the fake Indian, Chief Dodson as evidence that most Indians didn't mind the name in a letter to congress.No one makes a claim that he represents broad Indian opinion.
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