Politico Editor RESIGNS After Publishing Home Addresses Of Alt-Right Icon

[Manc Skipper]

Are you going to organize a posse and beat him to death: that is the liberal answer to someone disagree right?

I reserve that punishment for poor English.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Amen to that. The left is becoming increasingly intolerant of ANY concept of which they disagree and are increasingly willing to shut up, shut out, shout down, or otherwise violate the civil rights of anybody who is different from them UNLESS that person is of a protected class such as a protected minority, LGT, illegal immigrant or whatever. They have become the most prejudiced, intolerant, bigoted segment of all our society rivaling even the stupidity of white supremacist and other intolerable ilk such as that.

This thread is an excellent example of exactly what you say, but in regards to conservatives. In other words, your post is ironic.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

maybe nobody gives a rats ass about your question? in no way shape or form did it pertain to the OP

ps Dennis Hastert is scum for doing what he did.

Nah, ARC. People are just either too cowardly or too unable to respond. It is nice, however, that you made a typical appearance with an entirely worthless post. Good for you for being consistent.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

No, we have a person that called out your deflection.

No, he demonstrated exactly what I said. Too dishonest and cowardly to address my question.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

several have actually. maybe if he quotes someone, he would have point. he cowardly blankets his address to anyone so he can hide behind his lack of clarity

Each poster before me in this thread overgeneralized... hence my post. You failed again, ARC. You must be used to it, though.

 

[Zyphlin]

The implication is that not all Lefties support it, yet here they Lefties are.. failing to call it wrong and condemn it.

Btw... Michael Hirsh is scum for doing what he did.

Perhaps scum is a term of endearment where your from kurmudgeon?

 

[AlbqOwl]

This thread is an excellent example of exactly what you say, but in regards to conservatives. In other words, your post is ironic.

Conservatives by and large are not organizing to punish and, if possible, destroy people who say things they don't like. When that does rarely happen involving a conservative group, the offending group is disavowed and denounced by most of the others. Progressives do that routinely and those who don't aren't objecting to it..

Conservatives are not refusing to allow progressives or people of opposing views to speak in their own open venues, on college campuses, or anywhere else. Progressives routinely do that and those who don't aren't objecting to it..

Conservatives are not burning flags or pitching a royal hissy fit when they lose an election. Many progressives do and most of those who don't aren't objecting to it.

Conservatives are not out rioting, obstructing traffic or businesses, burning, looting, destroying, vandalizing because they don't get their way. Progressives do and most of those who don't aren't objecting to it.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Conservatives by and large are not organizing to punish and, if possible, destroy people who say things they don't like. When that does rarely happen involving a conservative group, the offending group is disavowed and denounced by most of the others. Progressives do that routinely and those who don't aren't objecting to it..

Conservatives are not refusing to allow progressives or people of opposing views to speak in their own open venues, on college campuses, or anywhere else. Progressives routinely do that and those who don't aren't objecting to it..

Conservatives are not burning flags or pitching a royal hissy fit when they lose an election. Many progressives do and most of those who don't aren't objecting to it.

Conservatives are not out rioting, obstructing traffic or businesses, burning, looting, destroying, vandalizing because they don't get their way. Progressives do and most of those who don't aren't objecting to it.

MOST progressives do none of those things. Your overgeneralizations are just ridiculous hack statements. Here are some examples of what SOME conservatives do.

MOST conservatives don't form militia's, do something illegal, and then dare the government to stop them, though a few do.

MOST conservatives don't condemn as unpatriotic someone who speaks against the government, a war, or a conservative President, all 1st Amendment rights, though a few do.

MOST conservatives don't try to force their morality on others, though a few do.

Your comments are overgeneralized, demonizing hack statements, not based on in reality. Reading you over time, I have come to expect statement that meet those ridiculous criteria from you.

 

[AlbqOwl]

MOST progressives do none of those things. Your overgeneralizations are just ridiculous hack statements. Here are some examples of what SOME conservatives do.

MOST conservatives don't form militia's, do something illegal, and then dare the government to stop them, though a few do.

MOST conservatives don't condemn as unpatriotic someone who speaks against the government, a war, or a conservative President, all 1st Amendment rights, though a few do.

MOST conservatives don't try to force their morality on others, though a few do.

Your comments are overgeneralized, demonizing hack statements, not based on in reality. Reading you over time, I have come to expect statement that meet those ridiculous criteria from you.

Well I may be ridiculous but I know I'm right. And so do you if you really think about it. I know most progressives don't attack or infringe on the rights of others and the ones I love allow me to be me. I think my post made that clear. But a lot of progressives do and apparently those are not a small minority.

Most conservatives don't attack or infringe on the right sof others either and the worst they are usually guilty of is insisting on the right to be who and what we are. without assault and punishment from those who disagree with us. It would be nice to be able to do that without personal insults such as you put in your post quoted here. And it is only a very small minority of conservatives who are doing bad acts.

The point I was making is that the large majority of us conservatives don't do bad acts that infringe on what other people do and we denounce the American Family Council who tried to get Ellen Degeneres fired because she was gay. The AFC does not represent us in that regard and a whole bunch of us told them so. Of course the media won't report that because it doesn't fit their profile of what a deplorable conservative is.

Most conservatives denounce somebody who would shoot an abortion doctor and hope the law throws the book at such people. We don't approve of those who demonstrate and protest people entereing or leaving a Planned Parenthood or other abortion Clinic. Our disapproval isn't reported by the media either because it doesn't fit their profile of what a deplorable conservative is.

Most conservatives loathe the activities of groups like the Westboro Baptists and denounce everything they stand for. They don't represent us. That isn't reported in the media either. Doesn't fit the profile of what a deplorable conservative is.

And finally the point I was making is that you Progressive rarely if ever denounce those who file suit or protest or demonstrate or otherwise try to harm a person or business who expresses or holds a politically incorrect view. In fact you spend massive amounts of band width on line defending them.

Progressives rarely if ever denounce those who would harass and assault people trying to enter or leave a conservative political venue, who ban anybody who isn't progressive from speaking on campus, or who obstruct traffic and businesses, who riot, burn, destroy, vandalize, and terrorize because they are angry at the results of an election.

I can't imagine conservatives ever doing such a thing and we would hugely denounce any of the weird fringe groups such as skinheads or the KKK or whatever who might do such as that.

The OP talks about a Politico editor doing a bad act. I believe that person should be out of that organization for intentionally and inappropriately harming another person. But had that editor just expresssed an opinion I strongly disagree with--and I often do strongly disagree with Politico's editorial position on things--I would never condone trying to get the editor fired. But then I was blessed to have received my formal education in an era in which universities were open minded and expansive institutions that exposed us to all sorts of thought and expression and encouraged us to us reason and logic to defend or reject each point of view. We had everything from Birchers to Communists visiting campus and students attended, eager to hear, and we treated such people with great respect even though afterwards we students would shake our heads and talk among ourselves. How could anybody believe that? We were truly educated.

So again, who are the more tolerant? Those who believe and express what they do but allow others to live their lives in peace? Or those who believe they are the only ones entitled to believe and express what they do and everybody else is fair game for punishment or attack or personal insult?

 

[AlbqOwl]

Question: Since Dennis Hastert was arrested as a child molester, does that mean that all conservatives are child molesters? Let's see if one of the above posters can answer that question and then see if they are savvy enough to figure out why each of their posts are logically moronic.

Btw... Michael Hirsh is scum for doing what he did.

Yes. That was a scummy thing to do on the part of Hirsh.

Re Hastert, I don't think he was ever arrested. He WAS indicted however for illegal and unreported cash withdrawals, not for child molestation. And of course the rumor was that the cash was payment for silence of a former student or whatever that situation was. And if it was due to inappropriate sexual issues with a minor, in that case both the student for taking bribe money and Hastert for doing it are pretty scummy. I doubt a single one of us, however, disapproved of Hastert's indictment. I sure didn't. And if he is guilty, then he should receive the appropriate penalty whatever the court or jury decides.

I don't know of a single person who calls himself or herself conservative approves of bribe money either received or paid, malfeasance in office of any kind, or child molestation.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Yes. That was a scummy thing to do on the part of Hirsh.

Re Hastert, I don't think he was ever arrested. He WAS indicted however for illegal and unreported cash withdrawals, not for child molestation. And of course the rumor was that the cash was payment for silence of a former student or whatever that situation was. And if it was due to inappropriate sexual issues with a minor, in that case both the student for taking bribe money and Hastert for doing it are pretty scummy. I doubt a single one of us, however, disapproved of Hastert's indictment. I sure didn't. And if he is guilty, then he should receive the appropriate penalty whatever the court or jury decides.

I don't know of a single person who calls himself or herself conservative approves of bribe money either received or paid, malfeasance in office of any kind, or child molestation.

So, you give conservatives the benefit of the doubt, but not liberals. Did you know that even with his improprieties, there are several leading conservatives who still supported Hastert? Just as I'm sure there are several leading liberals who would still support a liberal doing something scummy. Point is, it's not black and white. All conservatives aren't golden and come out against one of their own when one of their own does something terrible... just like not all liberals will support one of their own when one of their own does something terrible. Don't paint either side with a broad brush.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Well I may be ridiculous but I know I'm right. And so do you if you really think about it. I know most progressives don't attack or infringe on the rights of others and the ones I love allow me to be me. I think my post made that clear. But a lot of progressives do and apparently those are not a small minority.

No, your post didn't make that clear and your perception that not a small minority of progressive do what you claim is also inaccurate.

Most conservatives don't attack or infringe on the right sof others either and the worst they are usually guilty of is insisting on the right to be who and what we are. without assault and punishment from those who disagree with us. It would be nice to be able to do that without personal insults such as you put in your post quoted here. And it is only a very small minority of conservatives who are doing bad acts.

I've spent a lot of time reading and dealing with conservatives who are anti-LGBT. You are incorrect... a sizable minority of conservatives attack and attempt to infringe on the rights of others just because they disagree, morally.

The point I was making is that the large majority of us conservatives don't do bad acts that infringe on what other people do and we denounce the American Family Council who tried to get Ellen Degeneres fired because she was gay. The AFC does not represent us in that regard and a whole bunch of us told them so. Of course the media won't report that because it doesn't fit their profile of what a deplorable conservative is.

And plenty of conservatives don't. Just like plenty of liberals have protested Trump's election (1st Amendment right) peaceably and lawfully. And yet, conservatives are just focused on those who break the law. Why is that?

Most conservatives denounce somebody who would shoot an abortion doctor and hope the law throws the book at such people. We don't approve of those who demonstrate and protest people entereing or leaving a Planned Parenthood or other abortion Clinic. Our disapproval isn't reported by the media either because it doesn't fit their profile of what a deplorable conservative is.

And most liberals know that most conservatives are against anyone who would shoot an abortion doctor. Why is it that most conservatives would prefer to focus on the few who don't? And why don't most conservatives who are against the things that you say, do something about it... like speaking out against those who block PP or other abortion clinics?

Most conservatives loathe the activities of groups like the Westboro Baptists and denounce everything they stand for. They don't represent us. That isn't reported in the media either. Doesn't fit the profile of what a deplorable conservative is.

And most progressives and liberals support whatever fringe groups there are on the liberal side. They don't represent liberals at all. They are extremists, aggressive, and non-inclusive.

Continued...

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

And finally the point I was making is that you Progressive rarely if ever denounce those who file suit or protest or demonstrate or otherwise try to harm a person or business who expresses or holds a politically incorrect view. In fact you spend massive amounts of band width on line defending them.




Progressives rarely if ever denounce those who would harass and assault people trying to enter or leave a conservative political venue, who ban anybody who isn't progressive from speaking on campus, or who obstruct traffic and businesses, who riot, burn, destroy, vandalize, and terrorize because they are angry at the results of an election.

And your point is hypocritical. You conservatives rarely if ever do anything to stop the protests at PP or abortion clinics. You conservatives rarely if ever did anything to denounce or protest all of the lawsuits brought up by the religious right to prevent gays from adopting. And you conservative rarely if ever did or said anything after other conservatives starting coming up with silly loopholes after the Oberkfell SSM ruling. Everything you claim about progressives can be also true for conservatives. You are not looking at this in any objective sort of way. In fact, conservatives have spent a ton of bandwidth and money supporting all of the above.

I can't imagine conservatives ever doing such a thing and we would hugely denounce any of the weird fringe groups such as skinheads or the KKK or whatever who might do such as that.[/B]

Maybe not the KKK, but of the things that I mentioned? If you can't imagine those things, then your head is in the sand. They happened and happen.

The OP talks about a Politico editor doing a bad act. I believe that person should be out of that organization for intentionally and inappropriately harming another person. But had that editor just expresssed an opinion I strongly disagree with--and I often do strongly disagree with Politico's editorial position on things--I would never condone trying to get the editor fired. But then I was blessed to have received my formal education in an era in which universities were open minded and expansive institutions that exposed us to all sorts of thought and expression and encouraged us to us reason and logic to defend or reject each point of view. We had everything from Birchers to Communists visiting campus and students attended, eager to hear, and we treated such people with great respect even though afterwards we students would shake our heads and talk among ourselves. How could anybody believe that? We were truly educated.


So again, who are the more tolerant? Those who believe and express what they do but allow others to live their lives in peace? Or those who believe they are the only ones entitled to believe and express what they do and everybody else is fair game for punishment or attack or personal insult?

The former of course. Problem is, if you believe that conservatives have cornered the market on that, you aren't paying attention to your side at all, and all you are doing is demonizing the other side.

 

[AlbqOwl]

So, you give conservatives the benefit of the doubt, but not liberals. Did you know that even with his improprieties, there are several leading conservatives who still supported Hastert? Just as I'm sure there are several leading liberals who would still support a liberal doing something scummy. Point is, it's not black and white. All conservatives aren't golden and come out against one of their own when one of their own does something terrible... just like not all liberals will support one of their own when one of their own does something terrible. Don't paint either side with a broad brush.

And are you not still supporting Hillary after all her improprieties exposed?

Immodestly perhaps, I believe I am one of the most pragmatic and realistic persons I know. In this discussion I am basing my observations on what I actually observe. And I am 100% an equal opportunity critic. I have defended Hillary numerous times when I see people exaggerate her sins and/or extrapolate sins from something I cannot see she actually did. I would lay odds that you have never once defended Trump in anything. Would I be right?

I have strongly criticized Trump when I believe his words or actions were inappropriate or just plain wrong. I would lay odds that you have never once strongly criticized Hillary for anything. Would I be right?

And even if I am wrong about you personally, I am not wrong that across the board, with exception of a very few, I do not see progressives condemning the bad acts of progressives but are rather defending those bad acts as 'free speech' or their constitutional right to protest or some such. And most further criticize me and/or others who do point out and condemn those bad acts as wanting to deprive people of their free speech or some other ridiculous statement.

At the same time, I haven't seen many conservatives who have attempted to justify the really inappropriate or foolish things Trump has said or who have not criticized him when he has behaved in less than an exemplary manner. And I don't believe I know a SINGLE conservative who has condoned or justified or who have failed to rebuke and/or condemn the bad acts of a few right wing extremist groups.

Had a conservative journalist or pundit published the address of somebody on the left, I think we on the right side of the aisile would be condemning that just as hard as we condemn a leftist doing that to a conservative. And in fairness, one or two of our progressive friends here have done that. And I appreciate it when they do.

But I wish they could do it just once without feeling the need to point out how much more terrible we conservatives are.

 

[AlbqOwl]

And your point is hypocritical. You conservatives rarely if ever do anything to stop the protests at PP or abortion clinics. You conservatives rarely if ever did anything to denounce or protest all of the lawsuits brought up by the religious right to prevent gays from adopting. And you conservative rarely if ever did or said anything after other conservatives starting coming up with silly loopholes after the Oberkfell SSM ruling. Everything you claim about progressives can be also true for conservatives. You are not looking at this in any objective sort of way. In fact, conservatives have spent a ton of bandwidth and money supporting all of the above.





Maybe not the KKK, but of the things that I mentioned? If you can't imagine those things, then your head is in the sand. They happened and happen.





The former of course. Problem is, if you believe that conservatives have cornered the market on that, you aren't paying attention to your side at all, and all you are doing is demonizing the other side.

I don't respond to chopped up posts like this CC--a personal quirk with no aspersions to those who like to do that--because it takes too much time and is utterly boring to many who try to read it. And for me it too often takes statements out of the full context of a thought that qualifies the statement itself. My Post #39 pretty well addresses most of it I think.

 

[JayDubya]

It seems to me the only MORONIC posting I'm seeing is snide excuses and banal acceptance for the Lefties advocating mob violence against their political enemies as if the Rule-of-Law were meaningless.

The implication is that not all Lefties support it, yet here they Lefties are.. failing to call it wrong and condemn it.

Well, I think MOST Americans want Stability and Prosperity, not mobs with Bats, Leftie Revolution!

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Par for the course, he's just trolling and disrupting as usual.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

And are you not still supporting Hillary after all her improprieties exposed?

Immodestly perhaps, I believe I am one of the most pragmatic and realistic persons I know. In this discussion I am basing my observations on what I actually observe. And I am 100% an equal opportunity critic. I have defended Hillary numerous times when I see people exaggerate her sins and/or extrapolate sins from something I cannot see she actually did. I would lay odds that you have never once defended Trump in anything. Would I be right?

I have strongly criticized Trump when I believe his words or actions were inappropriate or just plain wrong. I would lay odds that you have never once strongly criticized Hillary for anything. Would I be right?

And even if I am wrong about you personally, I am not wrong that across the board, with exception of a very few, I do not see progressives condemning the bad acts of progressives but are rather defending those bad acts as 'free speech' or their constitutional right to protest or some such. And most further criticize me and/or others who do point out and condemn those bad acts as wanting to deprive people of their free speech or some other ridiculous statement.

At the same time, I haven't seen many conservatives who have attempted to justify the really inappropriate or foolish things Trump has said or who have not criticized him when he has behaved in less than an exemplary manner. And I don't believe I know a SINGLE conservative who has condoned or justified or who have failed to rebuke and/or condemn the bad acts of a few right wing extremist groups.

Had a conservative journalist or pundit published the address of somebody on the left, I think we on the right side of the aisile would be condemning that just as hard as we condemn a leftist doing that to a conservative. And in fairness, one or two of our progressive friends here have done that. And I appreciate it when they do.

But I wish they could do it just once without feeling the need to point out how much more terrible we conservatives are.

And I have a completely different experience to you. I have seen plenty of progressives/liberals speak out when some extremist does/says something stupid. I have RARELY seen conservatives do the same thing. One thing I do notice is that progressives are a little more reticent about doing it because of all the vicious attacks that conservatives quickly heap upon ALL liberals if one idiotic liberal says something stupid. That was the entire point of my coming into this thread and the conservatives here fulfilled that prediction perfectly. It would be nice if conservatives could condemn a liberal about something stupid without feeling the need to attack ALL liberals. It happens so often and it gets tiring.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Par for the course, he's just trolling and disrupting as usual.

And of course, Jay, when you are unable to add to the discussion with anything intelligent, you choose to make an off topic remark... demonstrating just how poor a debater you are.

 

[AlbqOwl]

And I have a completely different experience to you. I have seen plenty of progressives/liberals speak out when some extremist does/says something stupid. I have RARELY seen conservatives do the same thing. One thing I do notice is that progressives are a little more reticent about doing it because of all the vicious attacks that conservatives quickly heap upon ALL liberals if one idiotic liberal says something stupid. That was the entire point of my coming into this thread and the conservatives here fulfilled that prediction perfectly. It would be nice if conservatives could condemn a liberal about something stupid without feeling the need to attack ALL liberals. It happens so often and it gets tiring.

Sort of like you couldn't argue against my post earlier without insulting me personally? And what are you doing in this post if not condemning all conservatives? Pot, kettle, all that.

In your defense, I do suppose it is natural for the ideologically motivated to see the opposition's posts as more 'vicious' while seeing their own side's posts as 'just being honest' or some such.

This thread itself is a pretty good illustration. I have seen one or two progressives condemn the action of or the Politico editor himself. All the rest seem to be arguing that conservatives are terrible and/or worse or justifying their side or whatever. I am pretty sure that if a rightwing reporter or editor had done that, pretty much all us on the right side of the aisle would have condemned it.

And we might or might not have pointed out the sins of progressives along with it.

 

[JayDubya]

And of course, Jay, when you are unable to add to the discussion with anything intelligent, you choose to make an off topic remark

Inability... intelligent. Huh. Well your posts here and everywhere else make a lot more sense now.

Which is why you're ranting about Dennis Hastert and other irrelevant ****.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Inability... intelligent. Huh. Well your posts here and everywhere else make a lot more sense now.

Which is why you're ranting about Dennis Hastert and other irrelevant ****.

Yes, Jay. Here, I'll repeat it for you. Your inability to add anything intelligent to the discussion has caused you to make an off-topic remark. I hope that's clear, this time.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Sort of like you couldn't argue against my post earlier without insulting me personally? And what are you doing in this post if not condemning all conservatives? Pot, kettle, all that.

I argued against your post quite well and did not insult you personally. I told you exactly how you are posting. That's not an insult, it's an accurate description and I backed that up by demonstrating your overgeneralizations. And in no way did I condemn all conservatives, unlike you with liberals. I was quite careful to not do that.

In your defense, I do suppose it is natural for the ideologically motivated to see the opposition's posts as more 'vicious' while seeing their own side's posts as 'just being honest' or some such.

Now THERE'S a pot meets kettle comment if I ever saw one.

This thread itself is a pretty good illustration. I have seen one or two progressives condemn the action of or the Politico editor himself. All the rest seem to be arguing that conservatives are terrible and/or worse or justifying their side or whatever. I am pretty sure that if a rightwing reporter or editor had done that, pretty much all us on the right side of the aisle would have condemned it.

Yes, this thread is a great illustration of what I have stated. What we have is a group of conservatives condemning liberals in general for the actions of one person. Demonizing them because... because they're liberals. And I'm pretty sure that if a right wing reporter did what the person in the article did, liberals wouldn't be condemning all conservatives for his actions.

And we might or might not have pointed out the sins of progressives along with it.

That was the focus. Overgeneralization partisan hackery. That's what I pointed out and that's what happened.

 

[AlbqOwl]

I argued against your post quite well and did not insult you personally. I told you exactly how you are posting. That's not an insult, it's an accurate description and I backed that up by demonstrating your overgeneralizations. And in no way did I condemn all conservatives, unlike you with liberals. I was quite careful to not do that.



Now THERE'S a pot meets kettle comment if I ever saw one.



Yes, this thread is a great illustration of what I have stated. What we have is a group of conservatives condemning liberals in general for the actions of one person. Demonizing them because... because they're liberals. And I'm pretty sure that if a right wing reporter did what the person in the article did, liberals wouldn't be condemning all conservatives for his actions.



That was the focus. Overgeneralization partisan hackery. That's what I pointed out and that's what happened.

I will take you at your word that you believe all that. We certainly have different definitions of personal insult though.

 

[ARealConservative]

Each poster before me in this thread overgeneralized... hence my post. You failed again, ARC. You must be used to it, though.

lies. the op did not overgeneralize.

"These liberals are becoming more unhinged than normal."

is your understanding of the English language so poor, you don't know how to interpret a simple word like "these"?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

lies. the op did not overgeneralize.

"These liberals are becoming more unhinged than normal."

is your understanding of the English language so poor, you don't know how to interpret a simple word like "these"?

I always enjoy your black and white thinking, ARC. It not only defines you, but it makes you an easy mark in debate. Of COURSE "these" referred to liberals in general. Firstly, I know the poster and the posting style. Secondly, "these" refers to a group. What group? There was no group, mentioned, only one person. Next, I addressed the first THREE posters in this thread. The other two certainly used general terminology when referring to liberals. It's a good thing I'm patient, ARC, what with me having to explain such simple concepts to you.