Please take a look at this graph and explain Vermont, etc. Thanks!!

[Hari Seldon]

The

You're not going to like this but here it is - and I have a BUNCH of em. Here's Syracuse, NY:

Syracuse, N.Y. — The percentage of Covid-19 patients who had been fully vaccinated has climbed sharply in Syracuse hospitals this summer.

Numbers just released by Onondaga County show that while fully vaccinated people are still far less likely than the unvaccinated to be hospitalized, the gap has gotten smaller.

From March 1 to June 30, the unvaccinated or partially vaccinated were hospitalized at a rate 7 times higher than the fully vaccinated. In July and August, however, that rate had dropped by more than half: The unvaccinated were about 3 times more likely to be hospitalized during July and August. https://www.syracuse.com/coronaviru...p-in-hospitals-this-summer-with-covid-19.html

Here's Israel:

Most COVID-19 Patients at Israel Hospital Fully Vaccinated, Doctor Calls Mandates ‘Diabolic’ - Vision Times

The majority of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) patients in an Israeli hospital are fully vaccinated, including those with severe disease, according to

www.visiontimes.com

The majority of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) patients in an Israeli hospital are fully vaccinated, including those with severe disease, according to one of the hospital’s doctors.
On Aug. 5, Dr. Kobi Haviv, medical director of Herzog Hospital in Jerusalem, said in a Channel 13 TV News interview, “95% of the severe patients are vaccinated.” Furthermore, “85-90% of the hospitalizations are in fully vaccinated people” and the hospital is “opening more and more COVID wards.”

Then there's the Mu variant, right on time:

Mu COVID Variant That May Resist Vaccines Found in 49 U.S. States

Now the CDC has no interest in keeping track of the vaccinated that wind up in er, and for good reason. Wouldn't look good. So, I have to dig for that kind of information, but the above should give you an idea. Thanks!!

Not sure I trust the vision times. How about cnbc.

Israel doubles down on booster shots as daily Covid cases set new record

Israeli lawmakers are keen to avoid another lockdown after overseeing one of the world's fastest vaccination drives.

www.cnbc.com

Professor Eyal Leshem, an infectious disease specialist at Sheba Medical Center who has been treating patients on Israel’s frontlines, told CNBC via telephone that while cases were rising, the rate of severe illness remained “substantially lower.”

“We attribute that to the fact that most of our adult population is vaccinated with two doses, and more than one million people have received the third booster dose,” he said.

“The severe disease rates in the vaccinated are about one-tenth of those seen in the unvaccinated, which means the vaccine is still over 90% effective in preventing severe disease,” Leshem added. “People who received the booster dose are also at much, much lower risk of becoming infected, our short-term data shows.”

 

[Logophile]

From your Israel artice:

However, critics have asked why the public should take a risk with experimental vaccines if early treatment with cheap and effective drugs such as ivermectin significantly reduce the risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19.

Seems there is some misinformation and the bent of the article seems antivax with an agenda. You still haven't explained Vermont with only 33 hospitalized patients. But by all means take the ivermectin. If nothing else you will be dewormed assuming it doesn't kill you.

You know perfectly well, Hari, that it's very hard to come by information out of ers, never mind who is vaccinated. And I doubt that figure is correct. And I could throw it all back at you and ask you to explain Israel. The point is that the vaccines are not what they were touted to be, and no amount of wiggling is going to change that simple fact. And please stop with the partisan nonsense. It's a topic worth exploring sans the petty labeling. Thanks!!

 

[Logophile]

The 7-day average cases/100k rate in VT is less than half that of the nation as a whole.

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All a question of how you look at it. And Vermont is just little Vermont, 49th out of 50 states in lowest population. Thanks!!

 

[Hari Seldon]

You know perfectly well, Hari, that it's very hard to come by information out of ers, never mind who is vaccinated. And I doubt that figure is correct. And I could throw it all back at you and ask you to explain Israel. The point is that the vaccines are not what they were touted to be, and no amount of wiggling is going to change that simple fact. And please stop with the partisan nonsense. It's a topic worth exploring sans the petty labeling. Thanks!!

Give me a break. You found some source that specializes in China. See the CNBC article but I'm sure you will ignore it. And you have yet to explain Vermont. Israel has increased cases in the vaccinated but lower death rates and hospitalizations than when the pandemic started even with higher cases. THey were also one of the first to vaccinate which is why they are promoting boosters. To say the vaccines are not effective is absurd. Yes not as effective as we would like but still VERY EFFECTIVE in preventing severe illness and death.

 

[Hari Seldon]

All a question of how you look at it. And Vermont is just little Vermont, 49th out of 50 states in lowest population. Thanks!!

So after touting Vermont as a beacon of vaccination ineffectiveness the state is now "just little Vermont" because your assertion was bogus. Thanks!

 

[noonereal]

How does posting (and proving) that Fauci said we don't need to be walking around wearing masks then later admitted he only said that in order to reserve the PPE supply cost lives?

Please be specific in connecting those dots.

Honest, what does it do for folks to come and distort truths? Do you know?

and so compulsively no less?

Is it all about tribal identity? Likely is that simple.

 

[Noodlegawd]

All a question of how you look at it. And Vermont is just little Vermont, 49th out of 50 states in lowest population. Thanks!!

The numbers are per-capita.

 

[Logophile]

So after touting Vermont as a beacon of vaccination ineffectiveness the state is now "just little Vermont" because your assertion was bogus. Thanks!

No, it's not. It's representative. My point is what's going on there is going on in the rest of the nation. And we have to find external solutions. Thanks!!

 

[Logophile]

The numbers are per-capita.

Exactly. Thanks!!

 

[Noodlegawd]

No, it's not. It's representative. My point is what's going on there is going on in the rest of the nation. And we have to find external solutions. Thanks!!

External solutions, like more getting more people vaccinated?

 

[watsup]

No, it's not. It's representative. My point is what's going on there is going on in the rest of the nation. And we have to find external solutions. Thanks!!

External solutions? More horsewormer?

 

[Hari Seldon]

No, it's not. It's representative. My point is what's going on there is going on in the rest of the nation. And we have to find external solutions. Thanks!!

It's representative of the vaccines effectiveness in preventing severe symptoms, hospitalizations and death. No idea what you mean by external solutions.

 

[Hari Seldon]

External solutions? More horsewormer?

I'm on a FB political group and they can't tout ivermectin enough. Also the vaccines are causing mutations. It's nuts.

 

[Fledermaus]

The

You're not going to like this but here it is - and I have a BUNCH of em. Here's Syracuse, NY:

Syracuse, N.Y. — The percentage of Covid-19 patients who had been fully vaccinated has climbed sharply in Syracuse hospitals this summer.

Numbers just released by Onondaga County show that while fully vaccinated people are still far less likely than the unvaccinated to be hospitalized, the gap has gotten smaller.

From March 1 to June 30, the unvaccinated or partially vaccinated were hospitalized at a rate 7 times higher than the fully vaccinated. In July and August, however, that rate had dropped by more than half: The unvaccinated were about 3 times more likely to be hospitalized during July and August. https://www.syracuse.com/coronaviru...p-in-hospitals-this-summer-with-covid-19.html

Here's Israel:

Most COVID-19 Patients at Israel Hospital Fully Vaccinated, Doctor Calls Mandates ‘Diabolic’ - Vision Times

The majority of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) patients in an Israeli hospital are fully vaccinated, including those with severe disease, according to

www.visiontimes.com

The majority of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) patients in an Israeli hospital are fully vaccinated, including those with severe disease, according to one of the hospital’s doctors.
On Aug. 5, Dr. Kobi Haviv, medical director of Herzog Hospital in Jerusalem, said in a Channel 13 TV News interview, “95% of the severe patients are vaccinated.” Furthermore, “85-90% of the hospitalizations are in fully vaccinated people” and the hospital is “opening more and more COVID wards.”

Then there's the Mu variant, right on time:

Mu COVID Variant That May Resist Vaccines Found in 49 U.S. States

Now the CDC has no interest in keeping track of the vaccinated that wind up in er, and for good reason. Wouldn't look good. So, I have to dig for that kind of information, but the above should give you an idea. Thanks!!

The numbers for vaccinated people going to ER are being tracked.

How else would we know it is a molehill vs. the unvaccinated mountain?

 

[Logophile]

External solutions? More horsewormer?

Since when is a horse dewormer - not "horsewormer" - external?? Thanks!!

 

[reflechissez]

Since when is a horse dewormer - not "horsewormer" - external?? Thanks!!

Your OP is deteriorating before your eyes.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Garbage. Of course it's working as advertised; if you get infected while vaccinated you'll be extremely unfortunate if you get much more than mild flu symptoms. Oh, and Fauci has 'lied' about nothing. No, ignorance is the "huge problem" for those not getting caccinated; youtube conspiracy crap, idiots like Trump's poodle, Atlas, who knows zip about virology or epidemiology, and idiot conservatives whining endlessly about 'freedom'-that's where the problems lie-and it's a huge component of why the most advanced and well-resourced nation in the world is the global leader in Covid deaths and infections.

The information on efficacy and what people should expect in that regard has been available for a long time, and it's been clear it was not 100% effective at preventing people catching the disease. The big difference, and what the poster ignores, is the fact the unvaccinated are driving the hospitalizations at the moment. Sure, there are breakthrough cases, but those pale in comparison to the unvaccinated.

A quick look at the hospitalization rates between the two states is interesting;

 

[Logophile]

It's representative of the vaccines effectiveness in preventing severe symptoms, hospitalizations and death. No idea what you mean by external solutions.

Meaning going back to our initial response which was severe but significantly decreased infection rates. The vaccines are not holding back the tide, and regardless of vaccinations, there is increased severity. Thanks!!

 

[Hari Seldon]

Meaning going back to our initial response which was severe but significantly decreased infection rates. The vaccines are not holding back the tide, and regardless of vaccinations, there is increased severity. Thanks!!

Compare the hospitals in well vaccinated states to those in say Floriduh and Texass. It sure IS holding back the tide. I could care less if you get vaccinated because nothing will convince a certain percentage of individuals. Its the misinformation and outright spread of bullshit that might prevent someone else from getting it that disturbs me. You haven't explained what you mean by external sources and have been asked a couple of times.

 

[reflechissez]

Meaning going back to our initial response which was severe but significantly decreased infection rates. The vaccines are not holding back the tide, and regardless of vaccinations, there is increased severity. Thanks!!

It's convenient that you don't use any evidence to support this assertion. Your OP has been thoroughly destroyed.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Where U.S. coronavirus cases are on the rise

The states where the outbreak is growing fastest

graphics.reuters.com

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State	First dose	Fully vaccinated	Total doses
United States	62.3%	53.0%	374,488,924
Vermont	76.4%	68.1%	877,406
Massachusetts	75.7%	66.3%	9,527,318
Puerto Rico	75.2%	63.9%	4,304,242
Hawaii	74.7%	55.7%	1,799,439
Connecticut	74.1%	66.4%	4,856,545
Rhode Island	72.2%	65.3%	1,404,114
Maine	72.0%	66.2%	1,755,264
New Mexico	70.6%	60.6%	2,673,704
New Jersey	70.4%	62.0%	11,103,350
Pennsylvania	69.9%	55.6%	15,536,659

Show more states

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To understand, you need to refer to the link to get the full picture. Vermont has the highest vaccination rate in the nation. So why does it have such a high covid rate as of late?? I'll take a guess. Because vaccinated people don't seem to understand that they can STILL GET covid and spread it. So they don't wear masks and/or the vaccines may not be that effective. Thanks!!

An interactive visualization of COVID-19 | 91-DIVOC

An interactive, data-forward visualization of COVID-19 data by Prof. Wade at The University of Illinois. Updated daily.

91-divoc.com

Go down to the third chart to see the per-capita numbers.

As you can see, cases and deaths are rising in Vermont, but not nearly as much as in the Deep South, including Florida.

This is a screenshot of what Phys251 is talking about.

Do you guys notice where vermont is on this chart?

 

[Logophile]

Compare the hospitals in well vaccinated states to those in say Floriduh and Texass. It sure IS holding back the tide. I could care less if you get vaccinated because nothing will convince a certain percentage of individuals. Its the misinformation and outright spread of bullshit that might prevent someone else from getting it that disturbs me. You haven't explained what you mean by external sources and have been asked a couple of times.

Let me make this very clear. You are exceedingly partisan - I get it - but I'm not going to start with the bs names. You're presumably not five years old. And I don't have time or the patience for that. And you don't read. Thanks!!

 

[Hari Seldon]

Let me make this very clear. You are exceedingly partisan - I get it - but I'm not going to start with the bs names. You're presumably not five years old. And I don't have time or the patience for that. And you don't read. Thanks!!

And YOU haven't supported your assertions or answered what you mean by external solutions. Calling me 5 years old does nothing for your argument. Your op is a big fat fail!

 

[W_Heisenberg]

We were told, and not that long ago, that as long as we were fully vaccinated and among people who were fully vaccinated, we could forego the masks.

That's why the Democrat runaways of Texas flew to DC in a private plane with lots of beers but no masks. That was July 12th.

I'll give Fauci credit for one thing: he has stuck to the mask idea unwaveringly since he was caught lying about them in the first few days. His only changes of opinion has been on the number of masks we needed to wear. Rand Paul pressed him to say that once we're fully vaccinated we can stop wearing masks and distancing, but Fauci refused.

I think Fauci sees the masks as more than just a virtue signal. He sees them as a show of personal obedience to Dr. Anthony Fauci, or as he calls himself, "Science."

An interactive visualization of COVID-19 | 91-DIVOC

An interactive, data-forward visualization of COVID-19 data by Prof. Wade at The University of Illinois. Updated daily.

91-divoc.com

Go down to the third chart to see the per-capita numbers.

As you can see, cases and deaths are rising in Vermont, but not nearly as much as in the Deep South, including Florida.

Where is Vermont on this chart?

Where are all the rock-chewing, dumb-as-shit, spiteful, belligerent, asshole Trump-supporting -MAGA-ROFL-LOL-SUCK-IT-LIBTARDS-TDS-TDS-TDS-ROFLLOLMAGA-HAHAHA-ROFL-VACCINES-ARE-FOR-NERDS-HAHAHAMAGAMAGAMAGAROFLOLROFL-DONT-GET-THE-FUACI-OUCHIE-Q-ANON-4-EVA states on this list?

I even went so far as to add a little point of interest on the chart to show you were Vermont ranks on a per-capita basis.

 

[watsup]

I'm on a FB political group and they can't tout ivermectin enough. Also the vaccines are causing mutations. It's nuts.

How did this nation come to this, with whole large segments of people on the verge of total craziness, but then affecting all the rest of us. I can’t quite figure it out. I guess it’s the profit motive. FOX et al have realized that they can continue to make loads of money by promoting misinformation to the crazies, so there’s simply no way to put an end to it. But it’s a shame that everybody else has to suffer because hey have refused to get vaccinated. Imagine how much further along we would be if that had happened. It almost feels unreal to have so many zanies walking among us.