Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are [W:244]

[Gathomas88]

How to Pick Up Girls: A Guide by Girls for Boys | VICE | United States

Jesus Christ...

Ya see? Crap like this is exactly why - despite the myriad personal, moral, and philosophical qualms I have with their tactics and worldview - I kind of have to stick up the "Pick Up Artist" movement every now and then.

This guide - replete with such wonderful advice as posting "full-body photos" on dating websites so that women can more easily judge a man's height (and therefore reject any man deemed to be less than 'ideal'), avoiding "small talk" (otherwise known to non-terrible human beings as 'polite conversation'), trying to force one's way past a woman's "ice-maiden face" in bars (because, apparently, women have no obligation whatsoever to be pleasant, but you do), and buying women drinks because while "Feminism may have killed chivalry, everyone still likes free stuff" (F*** you, full stop) - is every bit as vapid, tasteless, and generally despicable as you might imagine, and worse.

I'm sorry, but if this is what women these days are expecting... I'm afraid that I can only respond with the following.



Stop the gene pool, I want to get off. :lol:

 

[Gathomas88]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

Frankly, that's not even the most troubling aspect of it.

If this is how screwed up my generation is (and, in my experience, they are, more often than not), just imagine how completely hopeless our children are going to be.

I mean... Yeesh. Scary, right?

I'd like to think that we've got no where to go but up from here. Frankly, however, I really kind of doubt that we've hit "bottom" just yet.

It's enough to make a guy want to go freakin' Amish. :lol:

 

[iguanaman]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

Frankly, that's not even the most troubling aspect of it.

If this is how screwed up my generation is (and, in my experience, they are, more often than not), just imagine how completely hopeless our children are going to be.

I mean... Yeesh. Scary, right?

I'd like to think that we've got no where to go but up from here. Frankly, however, I really kind of doubt it.

It's enough to make a guy want to go freakin' Amish. :lol:

You could join the "Amish mafia" then. Yes even the Amish have gone gangsta. We are in a world where all the variations of human existence are far more visible than before. Enjoy the ride and don't confuse it with change.....It has always been this.

 

[Gathomas88]

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You could join the "Amish mafia" then.

Damn straight! With my jaded English ways I'd running the place like the "Man Who Would be Amish King" in less than a month. :lol:

We are in a world where all the variations of human existence are far more visible than before. Enjoy the ride and don't confuse it with change.....It has always been this.

Yea... Not buying that.

This kind of behavior, and these kinds of attitudes, weren't the norm they are today just a few decades ago. Frankly, even if they were just being "swept under the rug," they should have stayed there.

However, agree to disagree, I suppose. :shrug:

 

[lizzie]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

Yea... Not buying that.

This kind of behavior, and these kinds of attitudes, weren't the norm they are today just a few decades ago. Frankly, even if they were just being "swept under the rug," they should have stayed there.

It seems to me that it could be a natural outgrowth of the social media/ pick-up culture of today. Even the link alludes to what sounds like parties where, people are just surmising and appraising all the options, and going for the best deal they can get. Seems odd to me. Wow.

 

[Gathomas88]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

It seems to me that it could be a natural outgrowth of the social media/ pick-up culture of today. Even the link alludes to what sounds like parties where, people are just surmising and appraising all the options, and going for the best deal they can get. Seems odd to me. Wow.

Frankly, even "parties" are pretty damn old fashioned these days. Text and dating apps are the latest "go to" techniques.

In that regard, I can personally attest to the "put up or shut up" attitudes many young women seem to adopt towards such communication. Most of them basically want you to "make it worth their while" ASAP, or they just stop communicating entirely. Even then, there's a rather bizarre and poorly defined line between "acceptable behavior" and "coming on too strong" that you've got to skirt your way around.

How anyone makes heads or tails of this crap is completely beyond me. :lol:

 

[lizzie]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

Frankly, even "parties" are pretty damn old fashioned these days. Text and dating apps are the latest "go to" techniques.

In that regard, I can personally attest to the "put up or shut up" attitudes many young women seem to adopt towards such communication. They basically want you to "make it worth their while" ASAP, or they just stop communicating entirely. Even then, there's a rather bizarre and poorly defined line between "acceptable behavior" and "coming on too strong" you've got to skirt your way around.

How anyone makes heads or tails of this crap is completely beyond me. :lol:

Oh for gawd's sake. DATING apps? Hah! :lol:

 

[Gathomas88]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

Oh for gawd's sake. DATING apps? Hah! :lol:

Next thing you know, they'll have match-making programs that take care of finding someone, chatting them (or their counterpart program) up, and arranging a meeting for you.

All the human beings involved will have to do is show up and screw! :lamo

 

[lizzie]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

Next thing you know, they'll have match-making programs that take care of finding someone, chatting them up, and arranging a meeting for you.

All the human beings involved will have to do is show up and screw! :lamo

Hmmmm, the makings of a successful sci-fi movie. :mrgreen:

 

[celticwar17]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

well.... It was nice when I was single for just fun. It seems like girls are easier than they used to be? from past generations?...I wouldn't know, but that's what it seems like. They also made it seemlike I was the most decent guy for miles as all the stories they told me of other dudes and exs ..... so I think it's coming from both ends.

I found a good one though now... the college-life girls thing was getting really old, and started to make me really cynical about women.... had a similar attitude the OP describes. All very superficial.

 

[Gathomas88]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

well.... It was nice when I was single for just fun. It seems like girls are easier than they used to be? from past generations?...I wouldn't know, but that's what it seems like. They also made it seemlike I was the most decent guy for miles as all the stories they told me of other dudes and exs ..... so I think it's coming from both ends.

I found a good one though now... the college-life girls thing was getting really old, and started to make me really cynical about women.... had a similar attitude the OP describes. All very superficial.

Oh, don't get me wrong. Decent women are certainly out there.

They're just a bit harder to find and harder to woo than they were in the past. A lot of women (and men, for that matter) who might be otherwise decent are also basically being brainwashed by our current culture into remaining in the "superficial flake" stage of life for way, waaaaaaay longer than they might have done under more traditional circumstances.

The end result is a cynical, highly jaded, often predatory, and, quite frankly, broken dating scene, and state of gender relations between young adults in general.

 

[Nilly]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

Vice is firmly tongue in cheek. I found the article rather humorous.

 

[Gathomas88]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

I'm really not getting the impression that any of that way meant as a "joke."

The tone was flippant, as Vice usually tends to be. I'll give you that.

The advice, and attitudes behind it, however, seem to have been meant seriously.

 

[lizzie]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

well.... It was nice when I was single for just fun. It seems like girls are easier than they used to be? from past generations?...I wouldn't know, but that's what it seems like. They also made it seemlike I was the most decent guy for miles as all the stories they told me of other dudes and exs ..... so I think it's coming from both ends.

I found a good one though now... the college-life girls thing was getting really old, and started to make me really cynical about women.... had a similar attitude the OP describes. All very superficial.

When I was young, (now in my mid 50's), girls seem to have taken relationships more seriously than they do nowadays. We were generally more inclined toward forming more long-term relationships, and didn't seem to be quite as fickle as what I see today. If I told you guys just how many different men I've had a sexual relationship with, most of you would likely be shocked at how low that number is. Many in my generation were taught that sex is reserved for a serious relationship, and should not be taken lightly, and I am that way still.

 

[celticwar17]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

When I was young, (now in my mid 50's), girls seem to have taken relationships more seriously than they do nowadays. We were generally more inclined toward forming more long-term relationships, and didn't seem to be quite as fickle as what I see today. If I told you guys just how many different men I've had a sexual relationship with, most of you would likely be shocked at how low that number is. Many in my generation were taught that sex is reserved for a serious relationship, and should not be taken lightly, and I am that way still.

Yea, at times it seems sex is just a handshake...

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

Dating apps are for finding **** buddies. Don't use them. People still meet the old fashioned way. Perhaps you should try that and not bigger with this crap.

It doesn't seem like it's what you want anyway.

 

[Gathomas88]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

Dating apps are for finding **** buddies. Don't use them. People still meet the old fashioned way. Perhaps you should try that and not bigger with this crap.

It doesn't seem like it's what you want anyway.

Frankly, that's kind of the problem. The "old fashioned way" is a bit of a lost art in the current day and age.

The majority (or, at the very least a very large and very loud minority) aren't even interested in that kind of thing in the first place, preferring to play and fart around instead. Most of the remainder are so used to being burned by the former group that they are reluctant to let their guard down, and often don't even really know how to respond to a more genuine approach.

Of course, most of the people who actually do know what the Hell they're doing are already in relationships already.

It certainly gets easier as you get older, but it's still a bit of a minefield. lol

Either way, opportunities for more "serious" relationships at young ages are rather limited in comparison to past eras. That much goes without saying.

There's simply a much smaller pool of people out there pursuing them.

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

Frankly, that's kind of the problem. The "old fashioned way" is a bit of a lost art in the current day and age.

The majority (or, at the very least a very large and very loud minority) aren't even interested in that kind of thing in the first place, preferring to play and fart around instead. Most of the remainder are so used to being burned by the former group that they are reluctant to let their guard down, and often don't even really know how to respond to a more genuine approach.

Of course, most of the people who actually do know what the Hell they're doing are already in relationships already.

It certainly gets easier as you get older, but it's still a bit of a minefield. lol

Either way, opportunities for more "serious" relationships at young ages are rather limited in comparison to past eras. That much goes without saying.

There's simply a much smaller pool of people out there pursuing them.

It's called finding a diamond in the rough. Not finding sand in the beach. It takes a lot of patience to find the right person. You have to deal with the idiots and amusement park type people.

I'd say it's more like trying to slow dance on the freeway in rush hour.

I really couldn't say it was easier in the past or that is harder today. I can only go by my experience. It was extremely difficult to find the right person even then it was difficult keeping him. But having come through it with the battle wounds all of the stupid waste of time crap I did, it was worth every moment.

It really shouldn't even come in to your mind how it used to be. You'll never get to experience that. You live now.

If I could impart any advice, it would be that you don't lower your standards and never give up. You are in the right track. If the person you are flirting with doesn't pick up on it she isn't right for you. All the vast complexity of humanity, there is somebody possibly many people looking for exactly what you are.

You are bound to bump into them if you bump into a lot of people.

Taking yourself out of it guarantees you'll never get there.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

You know, dating is easy enough for me that I just can't understand how normal-looking people need so much advice.

Seriously, it's not rocket surgery. Everyone wants something, and everyone has something to offer. Figure out what you've got to offer, flaunt it like there's no tomorrow, and keep trying until you find someone who wants it.

 

[LadyMoonlight]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

When I was young, (now in my mid 50's), girls seem to have taken relationships more seriously than they do nowadays. We were generally more inclined toward forming more long-term relationships, and didn't seem to be quite as fickle as what I see today. If I told you guys just how many different men I've had a sexual relationship with, most of you would likely be shocked at how low that number is. Many in my generation were taught that sex is reserved for a serious relationship, and should not be taken lightly, and I am that way still.

I can relate to that. I will be 62 in a few weeks and I have had sex with one man in my entire life...my ex husband. Since we called it quits in 1980, I went on a couple of dates about a year after we split, but they wanted bed and breakfast and my answer was a firm No, thank you. Didn't see them again. Sometimes I regret not being more "liberated", but I had to kids to raise and they always came first. At my age it is too late now, life has passed me by. I cope

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

It's an old adage but it seems to grow more true as life goes on.

If at first you don't succeed, try and try again.

 

[lizzie]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

I can relate to that. I will be 62 in a few weeks and I have had sex with one man in my entire life...my ex husband. Since we called it quits in 1980, I went on a couple of dates about a year after we split, but they wanted bed and breakfast and my answer was a firm No, thank you. Didn't see them again. Sometimes I regret not being more "liberated", but I had to kids to raise and they always came first. At my age it is too late now, life has passed me by. I cope

Oh hon- being 62 doesn't mean that life has passed you by. There's plenty of people in our age group that are still wanting good relationships. Admittedly, it's not the same type of thing we were experiencing in our youth, and it may not be as easy to find a good fit, since we have refined ourselves and narrowed our preferences, but we aren't dead yet. It's not at all uncommon for widows/ widowers to remarry within 5 years after their loss- something like 75 percent, if I remember correctly, and at your age, you're in a fairly typical age group experiencing the same thing. If you want another partner, go for it. It never hurts to test the waters. There are still good men out there, and a lot of them are over age 60.

 

[lizzie]

Re: Picking up women, by women (a.k.a. Yet more evidence that human beings are awful)

I'm really not getting the impression that any of that way meant as a "joke."

The tone was flippant, as Vice usually tends to be. I'll give you that.

The advice, and attitudes behind it, however, seem to have been meant seriously.

I got the impression that it was serious, but trying to come across as funny, so as to not look crude and completely emotionless.

 

[Serenity]

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It really shouldn't even come in to your mind how it used to be. You'll never get to experience that. You live now.

That's good advice Clax. I'll just add that i simply don't care what others may or may not be doing to "pick up" and i don't take a whole lot of notice of these types of articles because we're all different, no one speaks for me, nor do they represent me. I have my own morals/expectations/beliefs that i choose to live by, i'm responsible for my own choices/actions and i'd rather just go out and live life and learn from whatever comes my way rather than worry about what someone else may be doing.

 

[Gathomas88]

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I got the impression that it was serious, but trying to come across as funny, so as to not look crude and completely emotionless.

Exactly. Quite frankly, my OP was doing the same thing.

Don't get me wrong. I was absolutely disgusted by the article. However, that's no reason not to get a laugh or two out of the thing. :lol: