Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate change"

[code1211]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

This wasn't a trick question the opposition to global warming is big business , the reason, money. The latest is now they are looking stupid denying global warming straight out but now are trying to buy time by half heartily admitting it but demanding that it needs more research, Which it doesn't . The right seems to be able to be completely controlled by Fox crap news and Rush fatty. Which is the voice for the top 1% of this country but Fox crap news which has been proved to lie 60% on everything it says is still able to make regressives believe anything.

Please post a link that demonstrates with hard, actual numbers the big business you assert is supported by the opposition to "global warming".

 

[jbander]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

Wow ! That really went right over your head there didn't it ? :lol:

No I didn't miss your point , because your premise, just like man made global warmin, can be proved. For your remark , to be proved , we would have to go to wherever you said it was and see if purple Aliens were there. It is a lot easier to prove that man made global warming doesn't exist by just telling us what exactly is causing it other then man. If it's convincing enough, go get your $10,000
I responded to your comment, so you can respond to mine. What's the plane your using for your Avatar,

 

[Tim the plumber]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

No I didn't miss your point , because your premise, just like man made global warmin, can be proved. For your remark , to be proved , we would have to go to wherever you said it was and see if purple Aliens were there. It is a lot easier to prove that man made global warming doesn't exist by just telling us what exactly is causing it other then man. If it's convincing enough, go get your $10,000
I responded to your comment, so you can respond to mine. What's the plane your using for your Avatar,

What don't you get about it?

It's always been the degree of warming which is the issue.

Obviously there is the heat island effect where big cities cause the climate to be lots warmer during winter and at night. This will cause some warming at great distances from the cities. Some tiny degree of warming. There are other things we do like making tarmac roads which are very absorbant of solar energy.

Nobody with any sense has ever said that human activity has no effect on climate. Ever. None of us EVER!!!!

 

[jbander]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

Please post a link that demonstrates with hard, actual numbers the big business you assert is supported by the opposition to "global warming".

You have to be kidding. Are you actually denying that big business will be the ones paying for their pollution when the laws go after them for their pollution. Here is the EPA AIR POLLUTION CONTROL COST MANUAL from 2002 752 pages long http://www3.epa.gov/ttncatc1/dir1/c_allchs.pdf

 

[code1211]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

You have to be kidding. Are you actually denying that big business will be the ones paying for their pollution when the laws go after them for their pollution. Here is the EPA AIR POLLUTION CONTROL COST MANUAL from 2002 752 pages long http://www3.epa.gov/ttncatc1/dir1/c_allchs.pdf

Are you saying that the EPA is the big business that is supported by the opposition to Global Warming?

I'm asking you to please support the assertion you offered.

Please link to the big business you said exists that supports the opposition to global warming.

 

[jbander]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

What don't you get about it?

It's always been the degree of warming which is the issue.

Obviously there is the heat island effect where big cities cause the climate to be lots warmer during winter and at night. This will cause some warming at great distances from the cities. Some tiny degree of warming. There are other things we do like making tarmac roads which are very absorbant of solar energy.

Nobody with any sense has ever said that human activity has no effect on climate. Ever. None of us EVER!!!!

"In 1994, according to a leaked memo, the Republican strategist Frank Luntz advised members of the Republican Party, with regard to climate change, that "you need to continue to make the lack of scientific certainty a primary issue" and "challenge the science" by "recruiting experts who are sympathetic to your view."[142] In 2006, Luntz stated that he still believes "back [in] '97, '98, the science was uncertain", but he now agrees with the scientific consensus." So are you going to tell me what the plane is, I would like to know.

This is from 1 year ago. "It’s much easier to list Republicans in Congress who think climate change is real than it is to list Republicans who don’t, because there are so few members of the former group. Earlier this year, Politifact went looking for congressional Republicans who had not expressed scepticism about climate change and came up with a list of eight (out of 278). " Unless you were just joking.

 

[flogger]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

No I didn't miss your point , because your premise, just like man made global warmin, can be proved.

Be my guest ?

For your remark , to be proved , we would have to go to wherever you said it was and see if purple Aliens were there. It is a lot easier to prove that man made global warming doesn't exist by just telling us what exactly is causing it other then man. If it's convincing enough, go get your $10,000. I responded to your comment, so you can respond to mine.

You seem to have missed the whole 'prove a negative first' thing which was the point I was making

What's the plane your using for your Avatar

Its a Tupolev 95 Bear bomber and I'm in the picture with it though I'm hard to make out. It was taken at Ukrainian national aviation museum in Kiev

 

[Lord of Planar]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

No as I pointed out multiple times your masters had you denying it for years until even the most stupid among you felt like idiots .

Liar.

Link please.

So your masters had to shift gears and now They and you admit it but now go with the con that more research has to done before we do anything about it.

Through my several decades as an adult, I find often people others have the same type shortcomings as they do. I can only assume that you believe what your masters say, and think other people act as you do.

Of course the doing something about would be big business , your masters and controllers.

I have no master like you do.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

No I didn't miss your point , because your premise, just like man made global warmin, can be proved.

Yes, mankind contributes to global warming. Please tell us who doesn't believe it.

It is a lot easier to prove that man made global warming doesn't exist by just telling us what exactly is causing it other then man.

I hope you don't believe what you said.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

It is a lot easier to prove that man made global warming doesn't exist by just telling us what exactly is causing it other then man.

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[Tim the plumber]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

"In 1994, according to a leaked memo, the Republican strategist Frank Luntz advised members of the Republican Party, with regard to climate change, that "you need to continue to make the lack of scientific certainty a primary issue" and "challenge the science" by "recruiting experts who are sympathetic to your view."[142] In 2006, Luntz stated that he still believes "back [in] '97, '98, the science was uncertain", but he now agrees with the scientific consensus." So are you going to tell me what the plane is, I would like to know.

This is from 1 year ago. "It’s much easier to list Republicans in Congress who think climate change is real than it is to list Republicans who don’t, because there are so few members of the former group. Earlier this year, Politifact went looking for congressional Republicans who had not expressed scepticism about climate change and came up with a list of eight (out of 278). " Unless you were just joking.

You are utterly dishonestly mis-representing the issue.

I express skepticism about climate change. I do not say that there has been no warming or that human activity is not a factor in climate change but i am in the skeptic camp.

Easy.

Unless you are religiously avoiding the obvious.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

Its a Tupolev 95 Bear bomber and I'm in the picture with it though I'm hard to make out. It was taken at Ukrainian national aviation museum in Kiev

Sadly I had spotted that before you posted it.... mis-spent youth.... should have been out chasing girls.

 

[jbander]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

Are you saying that the EPA is the big business that is supported by the opposition to Global Warming?

I'm asking you to please support the assertion you offered.

Please link to the big business you said exists that supports the opposition to global warming.

http://www3.epa.gov/ttncatc1/dir1/c_allchs.pdf I think 750 pages from EPA supplying what your asking for is enough.

 

[tosca1]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

The way the right talks about Global weather change, hell they will have this money in 2-3 days at the most. Boy all these right wing global warming experts are all lined up to show the world the truth about global warming. Heres the information ,"A Physicist and author on global warming Dr. Christopher Keating has just announced The $10,000 Global Warming Skeptic Challenge. Dr. Keating is putting up $10,000 of his own money to anyone who can disprove that man-made Global Warming is occurring.

" if needed I'll get you his telephone number to claim your prize. Boy this is going to be a right wing coup. They are finally going to show us the true conservative science and in doing so they will get $10,000.00

His challenge is questionable!


here's a long read.....

Taking Keating’s $30,000 skeptic challenge seriously, part 1

"1. I will award $30,000 of my own money to anyone that can prove, via the scientific method, that man-made global climate change is not occurring."

Ridiculous. There is hardly a skeptic alive who doesn’t think that human activity is causing some climate change, and in particular, some amount of warming. The question is whether one accepts the IPCC’s claim of extreme certainty that the human release of greenhouse gases is responsible for most late 20th century warming, and is on course to cause a dangerous amount of warming over the next century. Skeptics see this as unlikely, or as unsupported by the evidence, but it all comes down to the size of the human warming effect.

So Keating is putting forward two completely different criteria for gauging human influence on climate, one that pretty much all skeptics reject and one that pretty much all skeptics accept, and he is treating them as interchangeable. This raises an obvious suspicion.

Physicist Offers $30,000 Reward To Anyone Who Can Disprove Climate Change « CBS DC

 

[tosca1]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan



Taking Keating's Challenge Part 2


Okay, so the whole thing is designed from the outset to be a political document not a scientific document, resulting from a political process not a scientific process, and as we well know, politicians tend to have their own strongly preferred conclusions. The environmentalist component is overwhelmingly anti-capitalist (at a UN-backed conference in Venezuela this week: “130 Environmental Groups Call For An End To Capitalism”), and a much broader spectrum of politicians are eager for expanded government revenues and government control, both of which are served by the demonization of CO2.

The actual scientific question at the present moment is whether the “consensus” climate models have been definitively falsified by the lack of 21st century warming.



In a 2013 interview with Der Spiegel German climate scientist Hans Von Storch summarized the difficulty that the “consensus” view is now facing:

Storch: If things continue as they have been, in five years, at the latest, we will need to acknowledge that something is fundamentally wrong with our climate models. A 20-year pause in global warming does not occur in a single modeled scenario. But even today, we are finding it very difficult to reconcile actual temperature trends with our expectations.

SPIEGEL: What could be wrong with the models?

Storch: There are two conceivable explanations — and neither is very pleasant for us.

The first possibility is that less global warming is occurring than expected because greenhouse gases, especially CO2, have less of an effect than we have assumed. This wouldn’t mean that there is no man-made greenhouse effect, but simply that our effect on climate events is not as great as we have believed.

The other possibility is that, in our simulations, we have underestimated how much the climate fluctuates owing to natural causes.


Taking Keating seriously part 2: the IPCC’s human-attribution claim is prima facie unscientific | Watts Up With That?

 

[flogger]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

Just a trifling technicality here I know....

But in order to prove a negative doesn't there first have to be a positive ? :roll:

 

[jbander]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

Well what came through on the Attachment, it's my last ride.

 

[jbander]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

You are utterly dishonestly mis-representing the issue.

I express skepticism about climate change. I do not say that there has been no warming or that human activity is not a factor in climate change but i am in the skeptic camp.

Easy.

Unless you are religiously avoiding the obvious.

This is what you said Quote---Nobody with any sense has ever said that human activity has no effect on climate. Ever. None of us EVER!!!! This is my response concisely responding to you comment. "In 1994, according to a leaked memo, the Republican strategist Frank Luntz advised members of the Republican Party, with regard to climate change, that "you need to continue to make the lack of scientific certainty a primary issue" and "challenge the science" by "recruiting experts who are sympathetic to your view."[142] In 2006, Luntz stated that he still believes "back [in] '97, '98, the science was uncertain", but he now agrees with the scientific consensus." So are you going to tell me what the plane is, I would like to know.

This is from 1 year ago. "It’s much easier to list Republicans in Congress who think climate change is real than it is to list Republicans who don’t, because there are so few members of the former group. Earlier this year, Politifact went looking for congressional Republicans who had not expressed scepticism about climate change and came up with a list of eight (out of 278). " Unless you were just joking.--------------------So con man how do I fit your attack on me, you said " You are utterly dishonestly mis-representing the issue." This is seen all the time on these forums, when You put someone in the corner with facts. They respond attacking or responding to your comment on issues that aren’t there and since His original comment isn't there he hopes that no one goes back to his comment to show the truth that he got hammered by a response. Smoke and mirrors that's all they got.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

This is what you said Quote---Nobody with any sense has ever said that human activity has no effect on climate. Ever. None of us EVER!!!! This is my response concisely responding to you comment. "In 1994, according to a leaked memo, the Republican strategist Frank Luntz advised members of the Republican Party, with regard to climate change, that "you need to continue to make the lack of scientific certainty a primary issue" and "challenge the science" by "recruiting experts who are sympathetic to your view."[142] In 2006, Luntz stated that he still believes "back [in] '97, '98, the science was uncertain", but he now agrees with the scientific consensus." So are you going to tell me what the plane is, I would like to know.

This is from 1 year ago. "It’s much easier to list Republicans in Congress who think climate change is real than it is to list Republicans who don’t, because there are so few members of the former group. Earlier this year, Politifact went looking for congressional Republicans who had not expressed scepticism about climate change and came up with a list of eight (out of 278). " Unless you were just joking.--------------------So con man how do I fit your attack on me, you said " You are utterly dishonestly mis-representing the issue." This is seen all the time on these forums, when You put someone in the corner with facts. They respond attacking or responding to your comment on issues that aren’t there and since His original comment isn't there he hopes that no one goes back to his comment to show the truth that he got hammered by a response. Smoke and mirrors that's all they got.

THE SCIENCE IS UNCERTAIN!!!!!

There is an effect of human activity on climate!!!

How much???????

None of your responces have taken on board at all what I and everybody else has been saying!!!!

And yes the republican party will have internal mechanisms about lots of things where some one person or group of internally trusted poeple has gone off and studdied an issue and then come back with how to deal with it. That's how political parties work. No news here! There is nothing contradictory in the skeptic stance of there being some warming due to human activity and it not being a problem.

Hard work......

 

[jbander]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

THE SCIENCE IS UNCERTAIN!!!!!

There is an effect of human activity on climate!!!

How much???????

None of your responces have taken on board at all what I and everybody else has been saying!!!!

And yes the republican party will have internal mechanisms about lots of things where some one person or group of internally trusted poeple has gone off and studdied an issue and then come back with how to deal with it. That's how political parties work. No news here! There is nothing contradictory in the skeptic stance of there being some warming due to human activity and it not being a problem.

Hard work......

and you will stay blind if your controlled enough to read that in the facts I presented, There was only 8 of 278 regressive politicians that would admit that climate change was real, One year ago buddy. Your comment again"Nobody with any sense has ever said that human activity has no effect on climate. Ever. None of us EVER!!!!" not only won't they admit that there was any human effect on climate but they also wouldn't even admit that there was any climate change at all. The world of the Bozo party.

 

[tosca1]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

Just a trifling technicality here I know....

But in order to prove a negative doesn't there first have to be a positive ? :roll:

What "trifling technicality" would that be?


Surely, you're not referring to this:

The actual scientific question at the present moment is whether the “consensus” climate models have been definitively falsified by the lack of 21st century warming.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

and you will stay blind if your controlled enough to read that in the facts I presented, There was only 8 of 278 regressive politicians that would admit that climate change was real, One year ago buddy.

Where do you come up with these lies?

Proof please.

Nearly all of them, like us here, agree climate change is real. they just don't agree with the level of claimed impact that we have.

 

[flogger]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

What "trifling technicality" would that be?

The fact that there is no empirical data whatsoever definitively establishing the human impact on global temperature

Surely, you're not referring to this:

The actual scientific question at the present moment is whether the “consensus” climate models have been definitively falsified by the lack of 21st century warming.

No I'm referring to this

http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c0120a5c9415b970b-pi

And without those there is no AGW 'crisis'

 

[flogger]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

and you will stay blind if your controlled enough to read that in the facts I presented, There was only 8 of 278 regressive politicians that would admit that climate change was real, One year ago buddy. Your comment again"Nobody with any sense has ever said that human activity has no effect on climate. Ever. None of us EVER!!!!" not only won't they admit that there was any human effect on climate but they also wouldn't even admit that there was any climate change at all. The world of the Bozo party.

The politicians know they cannot sell this lemon to the public any longer and this is reflected in the opinion polls

Public Interest in Climate Change over the Past 10 Years - Climate Change Weather Blog



The kind of worldview AGW proponents would like to try and impose upon us clearly isn't going to happen because the public no longer believe it. They have simply cried wolf far too often to retain any credibility.

Climate change has had its day time to move on to the next saleable eco crisis

 

[Tim the plumber]

Re: Physicist offers $10,000 to anyone who can disprove "man-made global climate chan

and you will stay blind if your controlled enough to read that in the facts I presented, There was only 8 of 278 regressive politicians that would admit that climate change was real, One year ago buddy. Your comment again"Nobody with any sense has ever said that human activity has no effect on climate. Ever. None of us EVER!!!!" not only won't they admit that there was any human effect on climate but they also wouldn't even admit that there was any climate change at all. The world of the Bozo party.

Where does any of the stuff you posted say that?