Pfizer tells Canada it will not receive any Covid-19 vaccine doses next week

[Metric Mouse]

So you think that there was a good organized federal plan to distribute vaccines and it has been effectively been implemented?
Just so I understand your position...

There is always room for improvement; but objectively we are kicking the ass out of every other country on the planet save the U.K. And that was with Trump standing in the way. But Biden has so far done nothing but repeat debunked talking points, flip flop on his goals and continue the Trump plan. I'll be excited when he starts to actually make a change in the trajectory of the vaccination program, but so far he's just leaving it up to the states.

 

[Metric Mouse]

I don’t think you know how many doses are in freezers”.
Lets say you are right: what percentage of that 20m doses are being reserved for Americans who need a second dose?
With all the uncertainty about allocation can you blame the states for reserving doses for citizens who need a second dose?
I think you are underestimating the disorganization at the federal level. I have been in contact with my own county health department (because I will be giving vaccines to people soon)-and they say the federal response is a mess

It's right there on the CDC website; are you suggesting that they are lying?

If those doses are being withheld on purpose, that is against the recommendations of the Biden Administration. I don't blame people for not trusting that Biden will supply vaccine in the future, but it doesn't hamper my point that a few thousand doses would not be missed.

I'm sure your county health department is truthful, honest and completely versed on the intricacies of the federal response.

 

[Ethel2]

There is always room for improvement; but objectively we are kicking the ass out of every other country on the planet save the U.K. And that was with Trump standing in the way. But Biden has so far done nothing but repeat debunked talking points, flip flop on his goals and continue the Trump plan. I'll be excited when he starts to actually make a change in the trajectory of the vaccination program, but so far he's just leaving it up to the states.

Biden has put it on the line: a floor of 100m doses (I think he upped it to 150m) in his first 100 days. He has promised to give the states more notice about how much vaccine they will be receiving and has said he would use the DPA if necessary to crank out more supplies and vaccine if production doesn’t increase. I am sure there is more to it as well; I will look it up later. He has only been in office for three weeks; it’s going to take a little time to make good on his promises. We will see how well his plan is implemented.
The states will need to distribute the vaccine within their borders but they need help from the feds too. The jackass had no useful plan at all. That was repeated over and over again from the new administration.
As for the vaccine in freezers we are not going to agree what should be done with them. As I have said we can’t spare any at this time, not with 3000+ deaths being reported every day here.
Sorry
Its a good time to put the health and lives of our own citizens first. Once all vulnerable people have had a chance to be vaccinated we can gradually share what we have with other countries.

 

[Ethel2]

Here are some parts if Biden’s Covid plan:

Smarter testing, faster vaccinations and health equity are cornerstones of the 200-page COVID-19 strategy released by US President Joe Biden’s administration this week. It also calls for a better online dashboard for tracking the prevalence of the virus in cities and towns across the United States, so that people and officials can make evidence-based decisions. Scientists lauded the coordinated national pandemic strategy and applauded the central role of science in the plan. Some experts have called for more detail, particularly on the funding, staffing and procedures for some initiatives, such as the plan for scaling up surveillance of new virus variants. All agree that it will be a tough task to turn things around in the hard-hit country, which has suffered more than 420,000 deaths due to the coronavirus.

 

[Ethel2]

One more thing: Novartis released its preliminary vaccine data. It’s decent but not nearly as effective as the Moderna and Pfizer products. Also, in a small segment of the study it wasn’t effective against the South African variant.
I think there is a good chance that if the vaccine rollout doesn’t speed up variants that are immune to the currently available vaccines will appear and we may end up chasing our tails. If that happens we can still beat it, but it would take a near total six week lockdown with closed borders for even longer.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Biden has put it on the line: a floor of 100m doses (I think he upped it to 150m) in his first 100 days. He has promised to give the states more notice about how much vaccine they will be receiving and has said he would use the DPA if necessary to crank out more supplies and vaccine if production doesn’t increase. I am sure there is more to it as well; I will look it up later. He has only been in office for three weeks; it’s going to take a little time to make good on his promises. We will see how well his plan is implemented.
The states will need to distribute the vaccine within their borders but they need help from the feds too. The jackass had no useful plan at all. That was repeated over and over again from the new administration.
As for the vaccine in freezers we are not going to agree what should be done with them. As I have said we can’t spare any at this time, not with 3000+ deaths being reported every day here.
Sorry
Its a good time to put the health and lives of our own citizens first. Once all vulnerable people have had a chance to be vaccinated we can gradually share what we have with other countries.

Yes, the Trump 2.0 plan. I guess we'll have to wait and see if the doddering old man comes up with anything new or not. Either way we're on track to stay far ahead of other countries vaccination rates; hopefully Biden scales up as fast as the previous administration, and we could have 2 million doses per day by the end of February. Then things would begin to look up.

 

[Ethel2]

Yes, the Trump 2.0 plan. I guess we'll have to wait and see if the doddering old man comes up with anything new or not. Either way we're on track to stay far ahead of other countries vaccination rates; hopefully Biden scales up as fast as the previous administration, and we could have 2 million doses per day by the end of February. Then things would begin to look up.

The jackass’ plan was to simply hand the vials to the states then go play golf.
If Biden doesn’t improve things here I will be just as critical of him. But I will give him a chance.
I am concerned that unless we massively scale up surveillance of mutations we are going to be losing the battle regardless of what else Biden does.

 

[Rostocker]

The jackass’ plan was to simply hand the vials to the states then go play golf.
If Biden doesn’t improve things here I will be just as critical of him. But I will give him a chance.
I am concerned that unless we massively scale up surveillance of mutations we are going to be losing the battle regardless of what else Biden does.

You are no different to Trump. You said you would rather let your allies die. So what?

 

[Ethel2]

You are no different to Trump. You said you would rather let your allies die. So what?

Yup.
We are twins.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Erm, what?
You do realise the AstraZeneca vaccine was developed in Oxford in the UK?
Europe and Canada do plenty on R&D.

Then Canada is already in good hands and needs nothing from America.

 

[Rostocker]

Then Canada is already in good hands and needs nothing from America.

Last time i checked Canada is america

 

[Rostocker]

Yup.
We are twins.

I agree, im glad your nazi type of ideology is on the way out. USA loses allies left and right and thats the main reason why china pushs you at the wall.

 

[Ethel2]

I agree, im glad your nazi type of ideology is on the way out. USA loses allies left and right and thats the main reason why china pushs you at the wall.

As soon as Trump's trial is over mine will start.

You have made it abundantly clear that you hate my country, which is your right. I will consider anything you post here in that light.

 

[Rostocker]

As soon as Trump's trial is over mine will start.

You have made it abundantly clear that you hate my country, which is your right. I will consider anything you post here in that light.

I dont hate your country. I just find it pathetic to the core. You either have allies, who stand united or you dont. It cant be that Germany and EU have shoulder all the burden, that we have to carry vaccine delivery for all the world, while USA does nothing and backstabs us. People remember such treason forever.

 

[Ethel2]

I dont hate your country. I just find it pathetic to the core. You either have allies, who stand united or you dont. It cant be that Germany and EU have shoulder all the burden, that we have to carry vaccine delivery for all the world, while USA does nothing and backstabs us. People remember such treason forever.

I have a little news for you: we are not going to ship out vaccine while the citizens here are dying at over 3000 souls a day. Get over that fact. You will be a much happier person when you can accept reality. The other reality is that fortunately you do not make policy for Germany. The US and Germany will remain allies and work this out.
I cannot make excuses for the jackass president who just left office. He is a liar, a bigot, and a hypocrite. There is a new sheriff in town and its a great improvement.

But we still are not sending doses of vaccine out of this country as long as we do not have excellent control of the pandemic here.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

If the amount of vaccine stockpiled was known why did the previous administration say that they would release the “reserve vaccines “ but when it came time to release it low and behold there was none to be released. Remember that?

The previous administration said that it would release the "reserve vaccines" because that made for good PR.

In fact the previous administration did not "lie" because it DID release the "reserve vaccines", it's just that the number of doses in the "reserve vaccines" closely approximated zero. [Remember, "All things are true of the empty set."]

The states are using CDC guidelines as just that. Some states are reserving the second dose to make sure it’s available regardless of the guidelines and to me that makes a lot of sense.

That also sounds, to me, as if the several state government don't actually believe what the federal government has to say about the state of vaccine acquisition. I have absolutely no idea why any state government that hasn't been "incorrectly advised" (not even once in the past four years) by the federal government would have such a silly suspicion - do you?

The bottom line is that the previous administration left the vaccine situation in shambles. This country first has to fix this problem then make sure our own citizens are protected. Then we can generously share.

You will forgive the rest of the world for thinking that the American government's definition of "generously share" starts at "resell the stuff that we had no need to purchase in the first place (and deprived those who needed it even worse than we did) at a higher (possibly even extortionate) rate than we paid for it" and gets less charitable from there.

That, by the way, is highly unlikely to be the American people's definition of "generously share" (which, in some corners, is [essentially] "We'll sell you whatever we don't need after we have vaccinated 100% of all Americans REGARDLESS of their risk category, when we feel like giving it to you." - but which, in general is "We'll give you what you need to deal with your critical needs when our immediate and critical needs are taken care of."). I have no problems with that last one.

 

[Peter]

No nation should be able to profit from selling vaccines from their allocation.
It should always be sold at cost.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Is the UK primarily using the AZ vaccine?
Its not quite as effective as the others, about 70% is what I read. If you are looking for herd immunity at at least 70% immunized then everyone in the UK has to be immunized to achieve that.

The UK is already up to 11.67% (or possibly 5.835% [or someplace in the middle]). The US is at 7.91% (or possibly 3.955% [or someplace in the middle]).

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At the current rate, the UK will reach 100% in around 170 days and the US will reach 70% in around 249 days. [NOTE #1 - Assuming that the current vaccination rates will NOT go up is NOT a good way of being accurate.] [NOTE #2 - I am currently caffeine deficient, so the above calculations are likely to be in accurate - feel free to do your own.]

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[TU Curmudgeon]

There are over 20 million doses sitting in freezers.

At the current seven day average that works out to around 16 days worth. More likely it is just a shade under 14 days worth.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

There are a million people per day getting vaccinated in the United States. We have the second highest vaccination rate on the planet. Countries like Canada and parts of Europe can't even get vaccine doses and we are handing out a million a day, and shipping more than that; the United States has objectively one of the best vaccine programs on planet Earth by any metric you can name; what are you even talking about?

The major reason why the US has the second best vaccination RATE is that the US actually has vaccine to give.

Just as "military efficiency" and "military effectiveness" are not the same thing (the Germans were much more "militarily efficient" than the Russians, but the Russians were much more "militarily effective" than the Germans), a vaccination RATE and a vaccination PLAN are NOT the same thing. Having "the best PLAN in the world doesn't actually matter if you don't have any vaccine to administer (the Germans, at every level, "out fought" the Russians) and having a really crappy PLAN can be more than compensated by having an abundance of vaccine to administer (the Russians, at every level, simply "out delivered soldiers to fight" the Germans).

 

[Rostocker]

I have a little news for you: we are not going to ship out vaccine while the citizens here are dying at over 3000 souls a day. Get over that fact. You will be a much happier person when you can accept reality. The other reality is that fortunately you do not make policy for Germany. The US and Germany will remain allies and work this out.
I cannot make excuses for the jackass president who just left office. He is a liar, a bigot, and a hypocrite. There is a new sheriff in town and its a great improvement.

But we still are not sending doses of vaccine out of this country as long as we do not have excellent control of the pandemic here.

Yes, i do not make policy in Germany, but those who do act and talk much harsher than i.

Yesterday the first pharma company was raided here. Documents taken. Today an export ban was issued.

This treason will be remembered and you will pay for it.

We are not allies anymore.

Meanwhile China supports us to help the world. The people know that and see where teh future is.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I have a little news for you: we are not going to ship out vaccine while the citizens here are dying at over 3000 souls a day. Get over that fact. You will be a much happier person when you can accept reality. The other reality is that fortunately you do not make policy for Germany. The US and Germany will remain allies and work this out.
I cannot make excuses for the jackass president who just left office. He is a liar, a bigot, and a hypocrite. There is a new sheriff in town and its a great improvement.

But we still are not sending doses of vaccine out of this country as long as we do not have excellent control of the pandemic here.

Nor should you. Germany has roughly 9.69% the "Covid-19 Burden" that the US has (Canada [at ~5.08%] has even less).

It's called "triage" and you don't put the same resources into attending to the casualty with a flesh wound to their arm as you do to the one with the sucking chest wound.

Sure the casualty with the flesh wound to their arm wants to be treated "RIGHT NOW!" but only a poor commander would insist that the two receive equal priority for treatment unless there were just tons of treatment assets available (which, with COVID-19, there aren't).

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[TU Curmudgeon]

No nation should be able to profit from selling vaccines from their allocation.
It should always be sold at cost.

I'm sorry, but that is NOT how "Unrestrained, Free Enterprise, Capitalism" works - just ask any "(American) conservative". They will tell you that it is NOT "smart" to sell for less than the maximum price you can extract.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Yes, i do not make policy in Germany, but those who do act and talk much harsher than i.

Yesterday the first pharma company was raided here. Documents taken. Today an export ban was issued.

This treason will be remembered and you will pay for it.

We are not allies anymore.

Meanwhile China supports us to help the world. The people know that and see where teh future is.

<SARC>Thank you for your consideration for the people of the 58 countries that have a higher "Covid-19 Burden" than Germany has</SARC>.

 

[Rostocker]

Nor should you. Germany has roughly 9.69% the "Covid-19 Burden" that the US has (Canada [at ~5.08%] has even less).

It's called "triage" and you don't put the same resources into attending to the casualty with a flesh wound to their arm as you do to the one with the sucking chest wound.

Sure the casualty with the flesh wound to their arm wants to be treated "RIGHT NOW!" but only a poor commander would insist that the two receive equal priority for treatment unless there were just tons of treatment assets available (which, with COVID-19, there aren't).

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This is bullshit and you know it.

Meanwhile China sends vaccine evrywhere in the world. There is a reason why US influence in the world collapses and it is because of that.

The US is a pathetic, egoistical shithole, while other nations stand united.