Pfizer, Moderna and Novavax gear up for fall Covid vaccine rollout with an important head start

[snakestretcher]

People who are skeptical of the covid vaccines are not all-or-nothing black vs white non-thinkers.

We know that vaccines can be harmful and require safety testing. We know that the vaccine makers need to make a profit to stay in business. But we also know that the FDA is NOT doing its job of making sure vaccines, and other drugs, are adequately tested. Because it gets so much money from the drug industry, the FDA is motivated to approve drugs.

All that is well known and not controversial, not a conspiracy theory. There are articles in respected mainstream medical journals about the corruption problem.

There are many medical experts who are skeptical of the safety and effectiveness of the covid mRNA vaccines. You only trust the official authorities -- CDC and FDA -- and the mainstream news outlets whose main advertisers are drug companies.

"We know"? What you mean is you and other conspirators 'know'. As for your 'medical experts'; they've been debunked again and again because, like you, they can never supply evidence for their claims. "We know" is emphatically not evidence of anything but your subjective opinion.

 

[snakestretcher]

Y'all make sure you rush out there and jump in line and make sure you keep getting those jabs now........

Sensible people will. There are plenty of dead Covid sceptics and anti-vaxxers. I prefer not to join them.

 

[snakestretcher]

Screw antivaxxers straight to Hell.

Many are already dead and heading that way. That's their reward for 'nothing can hurt me' machismo, arrogance and stupidity.

 

[snakestretcher]

Just because people have not dropped dead in the street by the millions does not mean these experimental vaccines are actually harmless.

No one has tried to investigate possible harm from these vaccines. Occasionally some very rare side effect is acknowledged. But there is no one who wants to fund big investigations of what serious damage they might have caused. Not to mention more subtle and hard to prove damage, like worsening of existing diseases.

Why do you insist on lying when a five second search found this, and many others:

Risk of death following COVID-19 vaccination or positive SARS-CoV-2 test in young people, England - Office for National Statistics

Estimates of the risk of all-cause and cardiac death in the 12 weeks after vaccination or positive SARS-CoV-2 test compared with subsequent weeks, in England.

www.ons.gov.uk

You will of course dismiss it as a government source and therefore automatically untrustworthy. Who do you trust?

 

[Good4Nothin]

Why do you insist on lying when a five second search found this, and many others:

Risk of death following COVID-19 vaccination or positive SARS-CoV-2 test in young people, England - Office for National Statistics

Estimates of the risk of all-cause and cardiac death in the 12 weeks after vaccination or positive SARS-CoV-2 test compared with subsequent weeks, in England.

www.ons.gov.uk

You will of course dismiss it as a government source and therefore automatically untrustworthy. Who do you trust?

They had to acknowledge myocarditis because it became obvious. But young people dropping dead from it soon after the vaccine is very rare. AS I SAID, they acknowledge some very rare adverse effects.

Where are studies of more long term damage? Of less obvious damage? In people of all ages? There are NONE.

 

[snakestretcher]

They had to acknowledge myocarditis because it became obvious. But young people dropping dead from it soon after the vaccine is very rare. AS I SAID, they acknowledge some very rare adverse effects.

Where are studies of more long term damage? Of less obvious damage? In people of all ages? There are NONE.

Myocarditis is normally a benign condition, easily dealt with with little more than bed rest. Nobody is "dropping dead" from it with definitive proof that a vaccine caused the event. Just as you convinced yourself that a vaccine made you sick-with no evidence. How long is a "long term study"? Vaccines have been administered to over five billion over the past three years. Isn't that long enough for data to have been gathered and assessed? Where are the screeching headlines for all the deaths allegedly caused by vaccines?

 

[Good4Nothin]

Myocarditis is normally a benign condition, easily dealt with with little more than bed rest. Nobody is "dropping dead" from it with definitive proof that a vaccine caused the event. Just as you convinced yourself that a vaccine made you sick-with no evidence. How long is a "long term study"? Vaccines have been administered to over five billion over the past three years. Isn't that long enough for data to have been gathered and assessed? Where are the screeching headlines for all the deaths allegedly caused by vaccines?

Oh yeah, myocarditis is benign. Just can't do any exercise for 6 months. With unknown longterm heart damage. You believe ALL the BS, don't you?

And you ignored the point I made, which I am not going to repeat.

 

[snakestretcher]

Oh yeah, myocarditis is benign. Just can't do any exercise for 6 months. With unknown longterm heart damage. You believe ALL the BS, don't you?

And you ignored the point I made, which I am not going to repeat.

Once again you demonstrate just how clueless you are!

Post-Vax Myocarditis Fairly Benign Even in a Diverse Population

Experience of California health system suggests cases do not disproportionately affect minorities

www.medpagetoday.com

Myocarditis is often mild, contrary to online claims

False. Myocarditis, inflammation of the heart muscle, is a mild, temporary condition in the vast majority of cases, according to experts.

apnews.com

Myocarditis: Symptoms and Causes

Myocarditis is inflammation of your heart muscle. This can be caused by viral infections or inflammatory conditions.

my.clevelandclinic.org

Myocarditis remains a rare and generally benign condition, despite what your social media experts have told you to believe.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Once again you demonstrate just how clueless you are!

Post-Vax Myocarditis Fairly Benign Even in a Diverse Population

Experience of California health system suggests cases do not disproportionately affect minorities

www.medpagetoday.com

Myocarditis is often mild, contrary to online claims

False. Myocarditis, inflammation of the heart muscle, is a mild, temporary condition in the vast majority of cases, according to experts.

apnews.com

Myocarditis: Symptoms and Causes

Myocarditis is inflammation of your heart muscle. This can be caused by viral infections or inflammatory conditions.

my.clevelandclinic.org

Myocarditis remains a rare and generally benign condition, despite what your social media experts have told you to believe.

Oh yes, fact checkers. They aren't propagandists for the drug industry.

And I SAID rare adverse effects are acknowledged. The very common ones are not. Most side effects do NOT result in instant death. They cause damage to health, sometimes serious, over time. There is no drug industry funding to study this.

Increased death from heart disease has been noticed by life insurance companies however.

 

[snakestretcher]

Oh yes, fact checkers. They aren't propagandists for the drug industry.

And I SAID rare adverse effects are acknowledged. The very common ones are not. Most side effects do NOT result in instant death. They cause damage to health, sometimes serious, over time. There is no drug industry funding to study this.

Increased death from heart disease has been noticed by life insurance companies however.

Oh ffs! Here we go again with your absurd paranoia and suspicion of everything! What is wrong with you? Trust me, nobody is out to get you! Myocarditis itself is a rare condition, so any alleged complications are thus even more rare. "Increased death" from what, and how do these 'insurance companies' know what caused these alleged increases in deaths from heart disease? Let's have your sources which are not youtube or social media.
Here's a study you won't like:

Myocarditis in SARS-CoV-2 infection vs. COVID-19 vaccination: A systematic review and meta-analysis

BackgroundThis study aimed to compare the incidence of myocarditis in COVID-19 vaccines and in severe acute respiratory syndrome-coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection groups.MethodsElectronic databases (MEDLINE, Scopus, Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials, Cochrane Database of...

www.frontiersin.org

Quote: 'The relative risk for myocarditis was seven times higher in the infection group than in the vaccination group'.

 

[Credence]

That reminds me, I probably need to get an updated vaccination.

Good idea to keep your vaccines updated. I am in a high risk group (cancer recovery) and have had 4 shots - the last being March 2023 all recommended by my oncologist.
I won't go near anyone who sneezes, coughs or appears to have a cold.

I also have had a vaccine for pneumonia and still have to get shingles shots.

On a side note; I give no credence to anti-vaxxers but also support their stance as long as I am not around them

 

[Good4Nothin]

Good idea to keep your vaccines updated. I am in a high risk group (cancer recovery) and have had 4 shots - the last being March 2023 all recommended by my oncologist.
I won't go near anyone who sneezes, coughs or appears to have a cold.

I also have had a vaccine for pneumonia and still have to get shingles shots.

On a side note; I give no credence to anti-vaxxers but also support their stance as long as I am not around them

You are just as likely to catch covid from a vaccinated person as from an unvaccinated. There is no longer any reason for blaming the unvaccinated, since now it is know the vaccines do NOT protect anyone except MAYBE yourself. And any protection you might get is brief.

 

[year2late]

Oh yes, fact checkers. They aren't propagandists for the drug industry.

And I SAID rare adverse effects are acknowledged. The very common ones are not. Most side effects do NOT result in instant death. They cause damage to health, sometimes serious, over time. There is no drug industry funding to study this.

Increased death from heart disease has been noticed by life insurance companies however.

You know there is a conspiracy theory forum.

 

[jaeger19]

Oh yes, fact checkers. They aren't propagandists for the drug industry.

And I SAID rare adverse effects are acknowledged. The very common ones are not. Most side effects do NOT result in instant death. They cause damage to health, sometimes serious, over time. There is no drug industry funding to study this.

Increased death from heart disease has been noticed by life insurance companies however.

Again massive lie

 

[jaeger19]

You are just as likely to catch covid from a vaccinated person as from an unvaccinated. There is no longer any reason for blaming the unvaccinated, since now it is know the vaccines do NOT protect anyone except MAYBE yourself. And any protection you might get is brief.

Again wrong.
"The study demonstrates the benefits of vaccination and boosting, even in settings where many people are still getting infected, in reducing transmission. And it shows the cumulative effects from boosting and the additional protection that vaccination gives to those who were previously infected. The likelihood of transmission fell by 11% for each additional dose."

COVID-19 Vaccines, Prior Infection Reduce Transmission of Omicron

California prisons saw more than 20,000 COVID-19 Omicron cases over a five-month period. However, vaccination and boosting kept hospitalization and death rates low.

www.ucsf.edu

 

[Good4Nothin]

Again wrong.
"The study demonstrates the benefits of vaccination and boosting, even in settings where many people are still getting infected, in reducing transmission. And it shows the cumulative effects from boosting and the additional protection that vaccination gives to those who were previously infected. The likelihood of transmission fell by 11% for each additional dose."

COVID-19 Vaccines, Prior Infection Reduce Transmission of Omicron

California prisons saw more than 20,000 COVID-19 Omicron cases over a five-month period. However, vaccination and boosting kept hospitalization and death rates low.

www.ucsf.edu

You need to look at more than just the title.

The difference is small, and after just 5 weeks there is no difference. You want to get another booster every 5 weeks??

Vaccinated residents with breakthrough infections were significantly less likely to transmit them: 28% versus 36% for those who were unvaccinated. But the likelihood of transmission grew by 6% for every five weeks that passed since someone’s last vaccine shot.

 

[Helix]

I'm probably about due for a booster. I'll ask my doctor at the next checkup.

 

[Desert Storm]

I'm holding $5K Novavax stock

 

[jaeger19]

You need to look at more than just the title.

The difference is small, and after just 5 weeks there is no difference. You want to get another booster every 5 weeks??

And you need to stop lying.
So now..you have gone from " there is no reduction in transmission". To " well there is reduction in transmission but its a small difference.

Not only is it a statistically significant difference..
But thats for people who have breakthrough infections.

Since the vaccine also protects you from getting covid in the first place..this also reduces chances of transmission.

 

[Good4Nothin]

And you need to stop lying.
So now..you have gone from " there is no reduction in transmission". To " well there is reduction in transmission but its a small difference.

Not only is it a statistically significant difference..
But thats for people who have breakthrough infections.

Since the vaccine also protects you from getting covid in the first place..this also reduces chances of transmission.

The vaccine does NOT prevent you from getting covid! Just as high a percentage, or higher, of vaccinated people get infected with covid and the unvaccinated.

 

[jaeger19]

The vaccine does NOT prevent you from getting covid! Just as high a percentage, or higher, of vaccinated people get infected with covid and the unvaccinated.

Yes it does..
"For booster doses, which covered mostly omicron studies, vaccine effectiveness at baseline was 70% (56–80) against infections and 89% (82–93) against hospitalisations, and reduced to 43% (14–62) against infections and 71% (51–83) against hospitalisations at 112 days.

Long-term effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against infections, hospitalisations, and mortality in adults: findings from a rapid living systematic evidence synthesis and meta-analysis up to December, 2022 - PMC

Synthesising evidence on the long-term vaccine effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines (BNT162b2 [Pfizer–BioNTech], mRNA-1273 [Moderna], ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 [AZD1222; Oxford–AstraZeneca], and Ad26.COV2.S [Janssen]) against infections, hospitalisations, and ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Good4Nothin]

Yes it does..
"For booster doses, which covered mostly omicron studies, vaccine effectiveness at baseline was 70% (56–80) against infections and 89% (82–93) against hospitalisations, and reduced to 43% (14–62) against infections and 71% (51–83) against hospitalisations at 112 days.

Long-term effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against infections, hospitalisations, and mortality in adults: findings from a rapid living systematic evidence synthesis and meta-analysis up to December, 2022 - PMC

Synthesising evidence on the long-term vaccine effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines (BNT162b2 [Pfizer–BioNTech], mRNA-1273 [Moderna], ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 [AZD1222; Oxford–AstraZeneca], and Ad26.COV2.S [Janssen]) against infections, hospitalisations, and ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You want to get another shot every 112 days?

 

[Fledermaus]

You want to get another shot every 112 days?

Did they say that?

 

[jaeger19]

You want to get another shot every 112 days?

Don't need to.

 

[Ethel2]

I will definitely be getting the updated vaccine in the fall.

Pfizer, Moderna and Novavax gear up for fall Covid vaccine rollout with an important head start

KEY POINTS

• The U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s Covid strain selection for the next round of shots is a decisive win for Pfizer, Moderna and Novavax.
• The FDA advised the three pharmaceutical companies to manufacture single-strain jabs targeting the omicron subvariant XBB.1.5.
• The agency’s decision puts the vaccine makers on track to deliver updated coronavirus jabs in time for the fall and winter.
• The timely delivery of new vaccines will position each pharmaceutical company to compete in the commercial market.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s Covid strain selection for the next round of shots puts Pfizer, Moderna and Novavax on track to deliver new jabs in time for the fall — a decisive win for the vaccine makers as they gear up to compete against one another.

The FDA on Friday advised the three companies to manufacture single-strain jabs targeting the omicron subvariant XBB.1.5, one of the most immune-evasive Covid variants to date.

That strain accounted for nearly 40% of all Covid cases in the U.S. in early June, but that proportion is slowly declining, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Pfizer, Moderna and Novavax gear up for fall Covid vaccine rollout with an important head start

The FDA's strain selection puts Pfizer, Moderna and Novavax on track to deliver updated coronavirus shots in time for the fall.

www.cnbc.com

But it’s “experimental”