May I remind you, yet again, that you chastised someone else's source as biased, yet you come up with yet another right wingnut source?
Based upon your arguments so far, I must stress that I am not saying your source is wrong simply because it is a trumpet of right wingnuttery, I'm just amazed at the hypocrisy.
I also wonder why your argument that contains fewer words than the link you provide to support' your argument (and I'm not really sure what your argument is in the above case, other than 'people aren't buying the Volt so that means we need to import more oil').
The irony is stunning.That is an ignorant answer. You think that all you need to do is put some old piece of trash on a conveyor belt called "recycle" and it come off the other side as some brand new item. [...]Two words: Re Cycle.
Now that was hard, wasn't it?
Other than some temporary construction jobs, there are no statements of fact that any of your -- or the CS Monitor's -- lip service support will actually come to fruition. So far all we have is a PR campaign by the oil companies, which the right is swallowing hook, line, and sinker.
The irony is stunning.
I realize that it may be hard for some to keep up, but you just described the right wing argument.You can always argue that any source that disagrees with you is biased... Whether someone is biased or not shouldnt effect the strength of your argument, if there is strength to be had.
An Op-Ed by a far left environmentalists.
Yep, convinced me............... :roll:
My apologies, it was Gill, not Grant. I stand corrected.Perhaps you can use the quote where I chastised any source. [...]
Yes, it would take exactly as long as if you plugged the electric vehicle into a wall outlet (which is what a properly designed home solar station is -- a series of solar panels charging a bank of batteries which provide normal household current via an inverter).Do you have any idea how long it would take for a home solar station to fully charge an electric vehicle?? [...]
Such a claim is, quite simply, insane.[...] that will be obsolete within a few years.
Many new cars cost $40,000. Are you under the impression that new cars which use gasoline (exclusively) are given away free?Those conditions weren't mentioned but is a $40,000 plus investment worth 20 miles a day? Taxis might be less.
How about a balloon? There is enough hot air in this thread to float several of them :lamoIf you never had to go more than a short distance from your home, then that would work just fine, but if thats the case you really have no reason to spend $40 to $60,000 on the car and charging system in the first place. But a scooter or something.
My apologies, it was Gill, not Grant. I stand corrected.
Yes, it would take exactly as long as if you plugged the electric vehicle into a wall outlet (which is what a properly designed home solar station is -- a series of solar panels charging a bank of batteries which provide normal household current via an inverter).
Why do you require explanation of the obvious?
Such a claim is, quite simply, insane.
Dunno who Dan is, don't know what you're talking about. Excellent post :roll:At least Dan gave a source, which is more than you've done. Baseless speculation sounds like the extent of your debating skills (or lack thereof).
Dunno who Dan is, don't know what you're talking about. Excellent post :roll:
Again, the insistence on stating the obvious puzzles me. In a typical solar system, the batteries are charged during the day, and are discharged ('used') during the evening and night.[...] once you have charged your vehicle, those batteries are going to need to recharge before it can provide another charge. And thats gonna take a while. [...]
Other than some temporary construction jobs, there are no statements of fact that any of your -- or the CS Monitor's -- lip service support will actually come to fruition.
So far all we have is a PR campaign by the oil companies, which the right is swallowing hook, line, and sinker.
See, you had a chance to clear everything up and perhaps -- perhaps -- make a point. Yet you wasted that chance.It was Dan's post that I criticized. Try and keep up.
Your crystal ball tells you that? :lamoWhat? So your crystal ball tells you so? Look, the low end is that it would create at least 30,000 sustainable jobs.
As we can see, some are more gullible than others :2razz:Ha, is that all you got? The big bad oil companies are duping everyone? so predictable.
Again, the insistence on stating the obvious puzzles me. In a typical solar system, the batteries are charged during the day, and are discharged ('used') during the evening and night.
In a typical Chevy Volt operation, the car is driven during the day, and recharged during the evening and night. A full charge would be in the neighborhood of 10kWh, or about 10 hours at about 9 amps (120 volts). That is within the capabilities of a smallish or moderate home solar installation ($10K and up).
It may save you some time if you accept that I will make no claims that cannot be backed up with logic and/or facts, nor do I ramble on about things which I do not know. I rarely shoot from the hip, which is why I rarely have any trouble proving my point (or causing problems for those that do shoot from the hip).
Again, the insistence on stating the obvious puzzles me. In a typical solar system, the batteries are charged during the day, and are discharged ('used') during the evening and night.
In a typical Chevy Volt operation, the car is driven during the day, and recharged during the evening and night. A full charge would be in the neighborhood of 10kWh, or about 10 hours at about 9 amps (120 volts). That is within the capabilities of a smallish or moderate home solar installation ($10K and up).
It may save you some time if you accept that I will make no claims that cannot be backed up with logic and/or facts, nor do I ramble on about things which I do not know. I rarely shoot from the hip, which is why I rarely have any trouble proving my point (or causing problems for those that do shoot from the hip).
Your crystal ball tells you that? :lamo
Even Tea Party hand puppet John Boehner only says 20,000 unspecified jobs (see the last page of your own CS Monitor link). Better ease up on the Kool Aid . . . .
Who has claimed that they are?How many homes today are using energy solely supplied through solar systems?
It is not a hypothesis. It is a path to reducing oil consumption. The lack of solar production at the residential unit level is a national failure, aided and abetted by the oil industry and their deluded, shallow minded, and often greedy followers.Your hypothesis falls apart when you consider that most hybrid owners today do not have their charging capability strictly from solar energy.
Since the thread is about oil, I'll pass on the attempt to change the subject and derail the thread. I will, however, note that ignorance and complacency are far dangerous than batteries.Address the coal energy issue with hybrids, then we can move on to where, and how dangerous these batteries are.
Who has claimed that they are?
It is not a hypothesis. It is a path to reducing oil consumption.
The lack of solar production at the residential unit level is a national failure, aided and abetted by the oil industry and their deluded, shallow minded, and often greedy followers.
Since the thread is about oil, I'll pass on the attempt to change the subject and derail the thread.
I will, however, note that ignorance and complacency are far dangerous than batteries.
What is the point of a stupid question? If it is supposed to make me look stupid, then may I suggest contemplating the possibility of a self-inflicted wound?So your house doesnt use any electricity during the day?
That doesn't surprise me.Im not sure what the 9 amps number is that your refering to.
You didn't understand anything I posted previously, did you? A 5.5kW solar system, including two dozen 230 watt panels and a 6kW inverter, will set you back $12K (plus batteries). That is a moderate size solar system, which will provide peak power of 240 volts at 22 amps. This is equivalent to 120 volts at 44 amps, or a peak battery charging current of 392 amps at 14 volts DC -- sufficient to fully charge 46 of your 100 amp-hour batteries in a six hour period (under optimal conditions) based upon a 50% discharge limit, upon which you would have a 29kW reserve (battery) capacity with which to then charge your 10kW Chevy Volt battery (which, if using the 240 volt charger, would take about five hours).Assume you take a discharged 100-amp hour battery and charge it with a 30-watt solar panel under ideal summer time light conditions. After a full week the battery will be just about fully charged.
:lamoYou need to go learn the difference between watts, volts, and amps before we can go any further.
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