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...From the southern point of view, if slavery was abolished, it would wreck their economy. So they saw no choice but to secede....
I am really torn on this one. True, the Confederate flag represents slavery to most people, as the primary purpose in the South's secession was their insistence that they had the right to slavery. But it goes much deeper than that. The Stars and Bars also represents the South's view that the North supported slavery too.... The kind of slavery that comes with one region imposing it's will on another. Yea, I know, I know, it's not the same thing, but there was a culture in the South that saw the big Government of the North as a dictator. In that sense, the Confederate flag represents small government. From the Revolution onward, the South was the poster child for smaller government, and has always been.
To the KKK'ers who fly the Confederate flag, **** you. I know what kind of people you are. To the others who fly it, you have my blessing. I understand that the Confederate flag represents a philosophy of smaller government that is returning, after having been.... gone with the wind.... Yea, had to rip that line to set up my closing statement. As much as I detest Rick Perry, I see no problem with his supporting Confederate symbols. As for the politically correct who want to ban those symbols, frankly, I don't give a damn.
Article is here.
yes, I know this. I also know that he led insurrections against slavery.
Tough ****. Cry me a river. Human dignity & freedom is more important that than the cotton industry.
yes, the CSA kept their slaves even AFTER the Emancipation Proclamation, which vioated federal law.
Please show us where the United States Constitution provides for any states or other territories to secede from the nation.
yes, the CSA kept their slaves even AFTER the Emancipation Proclamation, which vioated federal law.
Tough ****. Cry me a river. Human dignity & freedom is more important that than the cotton industry.
...What you will not find is any mention of secession. The union was an agreement among states, not a binding law...
wrong. we are not a union of separate states, like the EU. we are ONE nation. the states are now simply administrative districts, for the purposes of bureaucracy.
no provisions in the Constitution were made for the states' right to secede, because they all understood that when you ratified the Constitution you were not joining a Confederation of quasi-sovereign states, but one nation. All aspects of sovereignty were gone, including the right to print money, make treaties, appoint ambassadors, and secede.
State secession is no more legal then that it is today.
I'll bite...what opens up?
...Proof? You haven't any. If you do, pony it up....
Eventually you have no clue about American history.
The Confederate Flag is the Symbol of the South....Except it.
There are many other countries around the world, that have old flags flying in cities from past historical meanings. In England, Italy, France, Germany. They have many more flags flying on their goverment properties, besides their primary national flag.
So get over it. Go eat an ice cream cone
I don't think there's anything to this story except what the credulous and those who rush to judgment make of it. If you can find evidence that Perry is a racist, please produce it. His father joining a hunting lease that had an old rock with an offensive word on it on the land just doesn't do it for me.
If you're aware of racist political decisions that Perry has made or racist remarks, I'd be interested to learn what they are.
I don't think there's anything to this story except what the credulous and those who rush to judgment make of it. If you can find evidence that Perry is a racist, please produce it. His father joining a hunting lease that had an old rock with an offensive word on it on the land just doesn't do it for me.
If you're aware of racist political decisions that Perry has made or racist remarks, I'd be interested to learn what they are.
The Emancipation Proclamation-as I recall-only applied to the confederacy
Perry's hunting lodge is not even the topic of this thread, but since you have chosen to inject it into our discussion, I am more than happy to talk about it. True, when Perry was younger, his father bought a hunting lodge called Niggerhead, but painted over that word when he took over. That makes it pretty much a non-story, does not show racism, and not even worthy of discussion.
Back to the topic of Confederate symbols.
I believe that the only flag an American should fly is the American flag, so that's my only issue with the confederate flag.I am really torn on this one. True, the Confederate flag represents slavery to most people, as the primary purpose in the South's secession was their insistence that they had the right to slavery. But it goes much deeper than that. The Stars and Bars also represents the South's view that the North supported slavery too.... The kind of slavery that comes with one region imposing it's will on another. Yea, I know, I know, it's not the same thing, but there was a culture in the South that saw the big Government of the North as a dictator. In that sense, the Confederate flag represents small government. From the Revolution onward, the South was the poster child for smaller government, and has always been.
To the KKK'ers who fly the Confederate flag, **** you. I know what kind of people you are. To the others who fly it, you have my blessing. I understand that the Confederate flag represents a philosophy of smaller government that is returning, after having been.... gone with the wind.... Yea, had to rip that line to set up my closing statement. As much as I detest Rick Perry, I see no problem with his supporting Confederate symbols. As for the politically correct who want to ban those symbols, frankly, I don't give a damn.
Article is here.
State secession is no more legal then that it is today.
I have the US Constitution sitting in front of me. Please cite the Article & Section that stipulates how a state might go about seceding from the Union. Thanks.
I would point your attention to the Constitution to Article 1, Section 8. There you will find all delegated authority assigned to the federal government.
Not true, Texas v White left room for secession "through revolution, or through consent of the States".
Way to blow your own argument out of the water.
TvW found that TX's secession was "absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law. The obligations of the State, as a member of the Union, and of every citizen of the State, as a citizen of the United States, remained perfect and unimpaired. It certainly follows that the State did not cease to be a State, nor her citizens to be citizens of the Union."
Texas v. White - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.
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