Perhaps the most important societal question of our time ...

[Cardinal]

I'm waiting to see what the folks at Mutual of Omaha have to say on the matter.

Why are you refuting the fact that black people have high community involvement? That's an oddly specific thing to be hostile to.

 

[Jredbaron96]

I'm waiting to see what the folks at Mutual of Omaha have to say on the matter.

So, still nothing to actually counter, which is par for the course. For some reason you find the idea of blacks having higher levels of community involvement unrealistic, despite the plethora of fraternities, organizations, and clubs that center around the black community.

 

[Cope]

So to clarify, you don't actually have proof or counter to the evidence presented? Or an issue with the data collection methods?

Or just a specific reason why you don't want to believe blacks have high level of community involvement?

I don't mind believing it to be true at all.
I don't personally feel that community involvement leads to better outcomes but for me to use data, I need to have actual substantive data. Like the FBI link I use so often. A blog that polled 100? people to assert a percentage of Black Americans as a whole isn't really that useful. I do understand that specific data about something as specific (or vague) as "community involvement", isn't all that common. Which makes it extremely hard to argue for, or against such a position.

But then again, I am not the one arguing for or against, you seem to be so I have requested the data.

 

[Jredbaron96]

I don't mind believing it to be true at all.
I don't personally feel that community involvement leads to better outcomes but for me to use data, I need to have actual substantive data. Like the FBI link I use so often.

Yet for some reason you clearly didn't want to accept the data, because what? You think some company lied about their results of a poll they conducted years prior so I that could win an argument on the internet with a stranger?

A blog that polled 100? people to assert a percentage of Black Americans as a whole isn't really that useful. I do understand that specific data about something as specific (or vague) as "community involvement", isn't all that common. Which makes it extremely hard to argue for, or against such a position.

It was a poll conducted of 10,000 Americans to by a financial company to measure community involvement, and African-Americans responded with a high degree of desire for community involvement. There is nothing really controversial in this finding, yet for some reason you were completely dissatisfied with the results.

 

[Cope]

Yet for some reason you clearly didn't want to accept the data, because what? You think some company lied about their results of a poll they conducted years prior so I that could win an argument on the internet with a stranger?



It was a poll conducted of 10,000 Americans to by a financial company to measure community involvement, and African-Americans responded with a high degree of desire for community involvement. There is nothing really controversial in this finding, yet for some reason you were completely dissatisfied with the results.

I seem to have to keep repeating myself here.
I am not dissatisfied, I would just like to see more data. And while we are at it, I would like to see the correlation between community involvement and whatever point ties it back to what BLM or the media reports about.

We can actually cut to the chase as well and post how community involvement correlates to lower crime rates or some other measurable?

 

[AGENT J]

I seem to have to keep repeating myself here.
I am not dissatisfied, I would just like to see more data. And while we are at it, I would like to see the correlation between community involvement and whatever point ties it back to what BLM or the media reports about.

We can actually cut to the chase as well and post how community involvement correlates to lower crime rates or some other measurable?

LOL you keep bringing them up, again why would this be a BLM issue to report on?

 

[Cope]

LOL you keep bringing them up, again why would this be a BLM issue to report on?

Here. Attention give *pats* AgentJ's head

There there.

 

[AGENT J]

Here. Attention give *pats* AgentJ's head

There there.

LOL its a very simple question based on YOUR post. I love that its dodged and ran from. VERY telling.

I would like to see the correlation between community involvement and whatever point ties it back to what BLM or the media reports about.

Ill ask you again, YOU keep mention BLM. Why? Why would this be a BLM issue to report on?

 

[Jredbaron96]

I seem to have to keep repeating myself here.

Or maybe you need to do a better job communicating.

I am not dissatisfied, I would just like to see more data. And while we are at it, I would like to see the correlation between community involvement and whatever point ties it back to what BLM or the media reports about.

What exactly is your complaint? That the media is inconsistent with what it reports when it comes to crime? This is nothing new; Casey Anthony wasn't anything special but you might have thought based on the media coverage it was the crimeof the century.

OP's complaint about the lack of focus on the victim is also nothing new. When Columbine got shot up we got hours upon hours of Klebold and Harris. American fascination with violence does have its downsides.

We can actually cut to the chase as well and post how community involvement correlates to lower crime rates or some other measurable?

The impact social and communal ties and its effect on crime are complex, but in general stronger social ties lead to lower rates of assault across communities.

 

[NatMorton]

Why are you refuting the fact that black people have high community involvement? That's an oddly specific thing to be hostile to.

You can take your race baiting elsewhere. I have not expressed any hostility.

 

[NatMorton]

So, still nothing to actually counter, which is par for the course. For some reason you find the idea of blacks having higher levels of community involvement unrealistic, despite the plethora of fraternities, organizations, and clubs that center around the black community.

I tend to think community involvement and skin color are independent factors, but not having heard what MetLife's blog has to say about it I'll need to reserve final judgement.

 

[NatMorton]

One does get the sense that were they not allowed to delve into identity politics our friends on the left would be left speechless on most subjects.

 

[Jredbaron96]

I tend to think community involvement and skin color are independent factors,

Why would you think that, given how much American communities are based or heavily influenced by skin color?

 

[Jredbaron96]

One does get the sense that were they not allowed to delve into identity politics our friends on the left would be left speechless on most subjects.

It's generally unwise to dive into a subject you know nothing about, but you are free to provide the rest of us entertainment.

 

[Cardinal]

You can take your race baiting elsewhere. I have not expressed any hostility.

I don’t see how you get “race baiting” out of that. He told you that black people have high community involvement, he supported that claim, and you’ve chosen this oddly specific hill to die on.

Why?

 

[NatMorton]

Why would you think that, given how much American communities are based or heavily influenced by skin color?

Because I don't stereotype base on race.

 

[NatMorton]

I don’t see how you get “race baiting” out of that. He told you that black people have high community involvement, he supported that claim, and you’ve chosen this oddly specific hill to die on.

Why?

Your use of the word "hostile" was a baiting tactic.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Because I don't stereotype base on race.

There's no stereotyping in acknowledging that race plays a major factor in American communal relations.

 

[Cardinal]

Your use of the word "hostile" was a baiting tactic.

Fine. You’re against it. Why have you chosen this point to be against?

Or do you now have a problem with word “against?”

 

[Cope]

Or maybe you need to do a better job communicating.



What exactly is your complaint? That the media is inconsistent with what it reports when it comes to crime? This is nothing new; Casey Anthony wasn't anything special but you might have thought based on the media coverage it was the crimeof the century.

OP's complaint about the lack of focus on the victim is also nothing new. When Columbine got shot up we got hours upon hours of Klebold and Harris. American fascination with violence does have its downsides.



The impact social and communal ties and its effect on crime are complex, but in general stronger social ties lead to lower rates of assault across communities.

The inconsistency of the media is purely politically driven. That is my complaint about what the media does or doesn't present. I am not 100% sure but I would bet that is exactly what the OP was questioning as well.

If the impact is closely tied with criminal activity and lower rates of assault, I'd say that there is no correlation with the black communities involvement and less assault by it's members, would you?

 

[Jredbaron96]

The inconsistency of the media is purely politically driven.

Uh huh. And by what means?

 

[NatMorton]

It's generally unwise to dive into a subject you know nothing about, but you are free to provide the rest of us entertainment.

Yes, living in MA my entire life has left me completely unfamiliar with what politically liberal people have to say on issues of the day.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Yes, living in MA my entire life has left me completely unfamiliar with what politically liberal people have to say on issues of the day.

Evidently, since you seem only capable of repeating conservative talking points but presuming that because *you're* saying it you must be offering something new, compelling, or interesting. But the topic of this thread isn't about you.

 

[NatMorton]

Fine. You’re against it. Why have you chosen this point to be against?

Or do you now have a problem with word “against?”

I'm not "against" it, either. I don't think a corporate puff piece proves his point.

 

[Cope]

Uh huh. And by what means?

What are you trying to say? Are you meaning to say 'to what end?'

Want to tackle the rest of the post?