Perfectly safe

[Good4Nothin]

Speak for yourself. Those that can think trust what the experts say. It is stupid to do otherwise.

Blind faith. No matter what they say you believe it whether it makes sense or not.

 

[Port & Starboard]

We know that the covid-19 vaccines are perfectly safe, and never cause any serious side effects. Even though many supposed side effects have been reported, there is no way to prove they were caused by vaccines. And medical authorities can simply deny any causal connection. So don't worry, even if the vaccine makes you very sick, it was just a coincidence.

No....

They are not perfectly safe, but the benefits far outweigh the risks.

 

[iguanaman]

Blind faith. No matter what they say you believe it whether it makes sense or not.

Blind stupidity...no matter what the pros say you think they are lying. A blueprint for a short and miserable life. What about 95% effective escapes you?

 

[iguanaman]

No....

They are not perfectly safe, but the benefits far outweigh the risks.

Even those that cannot take other vaccines because they are immunocompromised can safely take the MRNA vaccines because they contain none of the pathogens that older vaccines used to induce immunity. The only risk is allergic reaction to fillers in the vaccine solution. They are as safe as any vaccine could be and their effective rate is beyond compare.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Blind stupidity...no matter what the pros say you think they are lying. A blueprint for a short and miserable life. What about 95% effective escapes you?

Most people were fooled by those deceptive statistics. The vaccines did NOT decrease covid infections by 95%, siince most of the subjects in the studies were not infected, whether or not they were in the vaccine groups. The actual effectiveness was more like 3%, since the vaccines decreased case rates from about 7% of the unvaccinated to about 4% of the vaccinated. So, yeah, 96% of the vaccinated did not get covid. But 93% of the unvaccinated didn't get it either. (Those are approximate numbers, and differed depending on the particular study).

The news outlets and the public are so easily fooled by numbers.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Even those that cannot take other vaccines because they are immunocompromised can safely take the MRNA vaccines because they contain none of the pathogens that older vaccines used to induce immunity. The only risk is allergic reaction to fillers in the vaccine solution. They are as safe as any vaccine could be and their effective rate is beyond compare.

You work in the marketing department of one of the mRNA vaccine makers, I assume?

 

[iguanaman]

You work in the marketing department of one of the mRNA vaccine makers, I assume?

Because I know how to read I guess? You should try it sometime.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Because I know how to read I guess? You should try it sometime.

I can read, but I don't believe everything I read.

 

[iguanaman]

Most people were fooled by those deceptive statistics. The vaccines did NOT decrease covid infections by 95%, siince most of the subjects in the studies were not infected, whether or not they were in the vaccine groups. The actual effectiveness was more like 3%, since the vaccines decreased case rates from about 7% of the unvaccinated to about 4% of the vaccinated. So, yeah, 96% of the vaccinated did not get covid. But 93% of the unvaccinated didn't get it either. (Those are approximate numbers, and differed depending on the particular study).

The news outlets and the public are so easily fooled by numbers.

LOL Now you are not only a doctor and epidemiologist but now you think you are a statistician besides? You must have the world beating down your door to hire you yet spend hours on this board. What a waste.

 

[iguanaman]

I can read, but I don't believe everything I read.

Because you know better I suppose. Nothing is worse than an armchair general except an armchair know it all.

 

[Peter King]

We know that the covid-19 vaccines are perfectly safe, and never cause any serious side effects. Even though many supposed side effects have been reported, there is no way to prove they were caused by vaccines. And medical authorities can simply deny any causal connection. So don't worry, even if the vaccine makes you very sick, it was just a coincidence.

Almost right, almost never cause serious side effects, as far as we know now.

And those who have been reported are still being investigated for a link to the vaccine.

 

[Good4Nothin]

LOL Now you are not only a doctor and epidemiologist but now you think you are a statistician besides? You must have the world beating down your door to hire you yet spend hours on this board. What a waste.

I studied statistics, and I know more about it that most of you here. Four years of doctoral research, using statistics constantly, reading research reports constantly.

 

[minnie616]

That's a very bad analogy. Seatbelts don't involve injecting artificial genetically engineered substances into my body, with unforeseeable health consequences.

Do you advised over the counter drugs such as mild pain relievers ( aspirin , Motrin , Tylenol , ) cold and cough meds , etc ?

 

[minnie616]

Well it isn't logical. If bad side effects mean the vaccine worked well, then slight side effects, or none, would mean the vaccine worked slightly or not at all. The medical authorities and mainstream news are BSing you and you can't even see it.

That is not the vaccines work.
Each person is different.
From the following.

Everyone is different," adds Richard Watkins, MD, infectious disease physician and professor of internal medicine at the Northeast Ohio Medical University. "So just because you have no symptoms after the vaccine doesn't mean there is a problem," he tells Health.

Though it's often overlooked, the evidence suggests this too. "In all of the vaccine studies, at least 20% of people felt nothing post-vaccination and most side effects were fairly insignificant, such as injection site pain," Lewis S. Nelson, MD, professor and chair of the Department of Emergency Medicine, and director of the Division of Medical Toxicology at Rutgers New Jersey Medical School, tells Health.
That goes for both clinical trials and real world situations (cough, me, cough). In the Pfizer vaccine trials, 77.4% of people reported at least one systemic reaction— that means nearly 1 out of every 4 patients didn't experience those side effects at all.
Slightly more people felt systemic reactions after a second Moderna shot—81.9%—but that still means about 1 out of every 5 patients felt fine.
The rates for Johnson & Johnson's vaccine were even better:
Though reactions were broken up by age groups, only 45.3% of people over 60 years old felt any systemic side effects, while 61.5% of people ages 18 to 59 did.

And that's from the same data that found those vaccines to be effective at preventing not only severe disease in clinical trials, but also hospitalization and death from COVID-19.

COVID-19 Booster Side Effects To Know

When you get a COVID-19 booster shot, you can experience side effects like fever, injection site pain, and weakness. Learn more about COVID boosters as well as rare side effects.

www.health.com

 

[minnie616]

Most people were fooled by those deceptive statistics. The vaccines did NOT decrease covid infections by 95%, siince most of the subjects in the studies were not infected, whether or not they were in the vaccine groups. The actual effectiveness was more like 3%, since the vaccines decreased case rates from about 7% of the unvaccinated to about 4% of the vaccinated. So, yeah, 96% of the vaccinated did not get covid. But 93% of the unvaccinated didn't get it either. (Those are approximate numbers, and differed depending on the particular study).

The news outlets and the public are so easily fooled by numbers.

Who is hospitalized with Covid 19?

Suprize !
Answer :Unvaccinated people .

COVID-19 patients total 170 at local hospitals, not a single one vaccinated

Vaccine effectiveness is showing up in real-world numbers as local hospitals calculate how many COVID-19 patients have been vaccinated.

www.wlwt.com

 

[snakestretcher]

You don't know anything about odds and probabilities. You probably buy lottery tickets and spend the winnings before finding out that you didn't win. Your probably take an umbrella when the weather report said 1 percent chance of rain.

My chance of dying from covid was tiny. Less than my chance of dying from many other things that no one worries about now. I consider the probabilities and don't waste my life worrying about things that almost definitely will not happen. Since I don't have risk factors, my chance of dying from covid, or even getting a bad case of it, was almost nothing.

I wonder if the 3.5 million dead, globally, and the 600,000 dead Americans, so far, had the same dismissive mindset. The virus doesn't care about odds, probabilities or percentages. If you're in the way, you'll be infected. Complacency kills; don't be a victim.

 

[snakestretcher]

That's a very bad analogy. Seatbelts don't involve injecting artificial genetically engineered substances into my body, with unforeseeable health consequences.

How many times do you need to be told that the vaccines are NOT "genetically engineered" anything before it sinks in? And you claim others know nothing about science? Ok, if you want to play at probabilities, what do you think are your chances of getting seriously ill following a vaccination?

 

[HumblePi]

I didn't say which is more dangerous. I said the vaccine causes more suffering.

Go on, tell this survivor that the vaccine is more dangerous than having Covid-19

COVID-19 survivor who spent 64 days in Burbank hospital, had most of his fingers amputated: ‘This can happen to you’ https://ktla.com/news/local-news/co...ost-fingers-amputated-this-can-happen-to-you/​

A man who spent two months in a Burbank hospital while being treated for COVID-19 is sharing his story as a warning for others to take the virus seriously — after he suffered severe complications, including the amputation of most of his fingers.​

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[HumblePi]

And you are incredibly ____ what's the word I'm looking for ... I am sure it is not allowed on this forum. Just fill in the blank.

Why are you taking this so personally. Your comment was ignorant at best. Just think for a moment about what you just said. You clearly said that the vaccine "causes more suffering than the virus", right? Have you been living inside a cave for the past 15 months and not aware of the horrendous loss of life and unimaginable pain and suffering people have gone through over those 15 months? I don't know if you're just too young and haven't been around people that are suffering with illness or maybe you have but can't empathize with their suffering, either way, your comment was absurd. Many of us here have had friends and relatives that have died from Covid-19, we know it's not something anyone would wish on their worst enemy. Most of us have also suffered with some serious illnesses and survived, so we know from personal experience that a low-grade fever and some aches and pains aren't even enough to keep most people home from work -- it's nothing in the realm of suffering.

Believing that these vaccines are something 'new' and are genetically engineered are again..... ignorant falsities. mRNA vaccines involve the injection of a small part of the virus’s genetic code to stimulate immune response in a patient without an infection. It won’t turn you or anyone else into a GMO…It does not enter the (cell) nucleus and cannot interact with your DNA or cause any changes to the genome. The mRNA-based Covid vaccine works by tricking the body to produce a harmless piece of the virus, triggering an immune response. That's how it works!

Bill Gates has no part in the development of mRNA vaccines in case you wondered about that too.

 

[beefheart]

You work in the marketing department of one of the mRNA vaccine makers, I assume?

Ah, there we have the conspiracy theorist's lamest tool.

If you disagree with someone and they disprove your conspiracy theory, you accuse them of being part of the conspiracy.

 

[americanwoman]

Blind faith. No matter what they say you believe it whether it makes sense or not.

You must be quite busy going to medical/law/trade/driving/etc.. schools to be an expert in every field so you never have to rely on anybody else.

 

[iguanaman]

I studied statistics, and I know more about it that most of you here. Four years of doctoral research, using statistics constantly, reading research reports constantly.

Again....what a waste of good schooling. These vaccines are so very good at providing immunity that the fully vaccinated do not need to wear masks because not only are they protected but so are others. There has never been a vaccine that is more effective and safe yet all your education tells you to go on this board and talk shit about them. We will never be rid of this plague unless 80%+ of the population is vaccinated. Do you want the dying to continue?

 

[Good4Nothin]

Again....what a waste of good schooling. These vaccines are so very good at providing immunity that the fully vaccinated do not need to wear masks because not only are they protected but so are others. There has never been a vaccine that is more effective and safe yet all your education tells you to go on this board and talk shit about them. We will never be rid of this plague unless 80%+ of the population is vaccinated. Do you want the dying to continue?

Dying is going to continue whether you like it or not. People die of all kinds of diseases, includiing the flu and covid-19. Not going to ever completely stop, and if it did the world would be a hell of a crowded place.

 

[iguanaman]

Dying is going to continue whether you like it or not. People die of all kinds of diseases, includiing the flu and covid-19. Not going to ever completely stop, and if it did the world would be a hell of a crowded place.

Yes and you approve of the 600,000 Americans dying from a preventable disease and look forward to more. Dying is good actually. That is not a healthy attitude and I feel for you.