Perception of the two parties

[rickc]

I find it very interesting to read the different perceptions of what our two parties represent.

A wide and varied perception it is.

Let's discuss.

 

[bongsaway]

When some republican governors are putting the health of their children behind their political agenda, what's to discuss?

 

[bluesmoke]

So, you want others to do your thinking/research/homework for you by coming up with a response to your posit that you won't do yourself to begin with in your own OP. Then, others having done the groundwork for you, you can dip in. If you honestly don't have a starting point and are asking for one, say so. Otherwise, at least be forthright and give others your position as you ask of them.

 

[Buckeyes85]

So, you want others to do your thinking/research/homework for you by coming up with a response to your posit that you won't do yourself to begin with in your own OP. Then, others having done the groundwork for you, you can dip in. If you honestly don't have a starting point and are asking for one, say so. Otherwise, at least be forthright and give others your position as you ask of them.

Agreed and it also might be helpful to clarify if when discussing the differences, are we talking about conservatives/republicans on one side, or the Party of Trump?

 

[rickc]

Oh
I have my own perception of reality. I was more interested in others.

I personally like the agenda in Biden's platform. It truly has the American people, the 90%, interest at heart. I like his tax plan. It is time for the wealthy to pay their fair share. I like his voting plan. In fact the democrats have a plan to move America forward.

Now the Republicans are blocking everything they can. Mitch McConnell will defend the wealthy to his dying breath. The Republicans don't have a platform other than stopping the democrats and cutting taxes for the rich.

And that republican voter base has no clue what the republican party has done to them over the last 40+ years. All they can see is the rhetoric put forth by republican politicians, right wing media and their idol Trump. All you have to do to garner their votes is feed their hatred bigotry and fear

 

[Ginger Ale]

Our pendulum is off right now in America. We are a two party country with two versions of each. The Dems who are progressive/globalist, and the moderates. Same with the Reps. One moderate and then the depressive Tea Party/Trump Party.

Our government is currently off to one side upsetting the balance. The pendulum is swinging middle for Dems, and far right for Reps.

This country works best when we have moderates in both parties as representatives. Our political climate is not stable at the moment.

I say this as a progressive, but I do know how America functions best as a capitalist country.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

I find it very interesting to read the different perceptions of what our two parties represent.

A wide and varied perception it is.

Let's discuss.

...as to the mo$t important thing$ there is not one stinking dimes difference between the republicrats and the demopublicans...

 

[AGENT J]

I find it very interesting to read the different perceptions of what our two parties represent.

A wide and varied perception it is.

Let's discuss.

Well "preception" is crap
reality is what matters and then the other HUGE issue in America is everyday people vs fringe vs what politicians of that party actually do, they are often extremly different.


this is why I've been and independent since my 20s, preceptions and stereotypes are shit among everyday people so i didnt want to belong to any party. Im sure it varies from location to location but in western PA many basic stereotypes dont hold water. Of course, you can find those stereotypes but its not a stronghold.

 

[rickc]

Well "preception" is crap
reality is what matters and then the other HUGE issue in America is everyday people vs fringe vs what politicians of that party actually do, they are often extremly different.


this is why I've been and independent since my 20s, preceptions and stereotypes are shit among everyday people so i didnt want to belong to any party. Im sure it varies from location to location but in western PA many basic stereotypes dont hold water. Of course, you can find those stereotypes but its not a stronghold.

What I have learned is often when people all are looking at the same picture they all don't see the same thing.

Your reality might not even be close to another person's reality. Of course everyone believes their reality is the real one.

These days 100's of millions of dollars are spent to influence those perceptions of reality. Even if they can blur the lines and create shades of Grey they feel the money is well spent. Propaganda is very effective.

If you seek the truth then don't listen to what they say. Study what they actually do!

 

[AGENT J]

What I have learned is often when people all are looking at the same picture they all don't see the same thing.

Your reality might not even be close to another person's reality. Of course everyone believes their reality is the real one.

These days 100's of millions of dollars are spent to influence those perceptions of reality. Even if they can blur the lines and create shades of Grey they feel the money is well spent. Propaganda is very effective.

If you seek the truth then don't listen to what they say. Study what they actually do!

I agree and thats just it, only extremists and uneducated believe in their own reality . . . this is why preception is crap and reality and facts matter . . .not my reality, not your reality, actual reality.
I never look at reality from just my perception or point a few . . of course naturally that has "an" influence but its not the final call . . we must look at things overall and from as many views as possible .. the old walk in another person shoes saying

you see this often when somebody is against certain ideas, especially equality ideas and then they find themselves in the minority or a loved one in the minority then they magically change . . . if more people would just have that default setting instead of being selfish we'd be better off IMO

thats the way i was taught, my dad was very big on it. He said i should approach most situations like it directly affects myself, of him or my mom or my daughter etc etc

if i have a chance to vote on say an autism bill, i shouldn't be like .. well f that, i dont have autism and nobody i know has autism . . who cares . . . .i should learn about it and think what if i personally had it or a loved one had it etc,
why? because thats how everybody should be especially in America and if i did have it wouldn't i want everybody else to view it that way also.. of course

but too many people are brainwashed into thinking us vs them and too many politicians push that narrative because they have found personal benefit in it

 

[bluesmoke]

Agreed and it also might be helpful to clarify if when discussing the differences, are we talking about conservatives/republicans on one side, or the Party of Trump?

Most people whom identify themselves as con or Rep are Trump followers.

 

[The Old Soul]

Rhetorical questions: Would Biden be President, and would Trump be the one he replaced if there were NO parties? Would the senate be in permanent deadlock if there were NO parties? Would COVID be running the country instead of the lesser of the worst of two evils if there were NO parties? Would we have Universal Healthcare if there were NO parties? Would states be passing laws to supress voting in response to an invented crisis of we had NO parties? Are most Americans better of because we have 2 parties who have taken over our government?

 

[Buckeyes85]

Most people whom identify themselves as con or Rep are Trump followers.

I'm not so sure that's true.
Vote for him over Biden? Yes I'm sure of it. But follow/support him, I don't think a majority do.
But could be wrong.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Most people whom identify themselves as con or Rep are Trump followers.

I am an independent conservative who has little use for the republican or democrat party. Before he ran for president, I did not like him at all. What most libruls are still in denial over is that it is the political positions that Trump took when running for president that made him popular. Libruls just want to see him as some form of "pied piper" character. He is brash and unpolished, however he took on the swamp rat good ole boy establishment system of politics in Washington DC. That's the secret to his success. He will not be the last successful populist presidential candidate. The good ole boy system is on the way out.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Liberals are broad-minded, that is not a perception.
Conservatives are closed-minded, that is also not a perception:

 

[Buckeyes85]

I am an independent conservative who has little use for the republican or democrat party. Before he ran for president, I did not like him at all. What most libruls are still in denial over is that it is the political positions that Trump took when running for president that made him popular. Libruls just want to see him as some form of "pied piper" character. He is brash and unpolished, however he took on the swamp rat good ole boy establishment system of politics in Washington DC. That's the secret to his success. He will not be the last successful populist presidential candidate. The good ole boy system is on the way out.

You claim he was not the pied piper character then go on to repeat the same false talking points that he conned so many folks into believing. Mind boggling that one of the most ardent, proud member of the "elites" could convince so many lemmings that he was for the common man.

 

[Craig234]

The topic needs to begin with recognizing that what the Republican Party ACTUALLY stands for, and what its propaganda SAYS it does, have basically nothing to do with each other. Actual: plutocracy. Retail politics: many other things to pander to its base.

 

[MAGAnificent]

You claim he was not the pied piper character then go on to repeat the same false talking points that he conned so many folks into believing. Mind boggling that one of the most ardent, proud member of the "elites" could convince so many lemmings that he was for the common man.

Sounds like a bad case of TDS. Nothing rational in that rant. I said nothing about him convincing anyone of being a common man. Obviously he is a billionaire. However he did take and push a political stance that represents a populist movement against the establishment good ole boy system in both parties. Not sure which part of that you are failing to understand? Trump is obviously not the first populist candidate. There was that short Texan nut case Ross Perot who was not successful and there was Ronald Reagan in 1980 was was successful. Trump tapped into a populist movement that started in 2010 and was successful. he will not be the last.

 

[Credence]

I am an independent conservative who has little use for the republican or democrat party. Before he ran for president, I did not like him at all. What most libruls are still in denial over is that it is the political positions that Trump took when running for president that made him popular. Libruls just want to see him as some form of "pied piper" character. He is brash and unpolished, however he took on the swamp rat good ole boy establishment system of politics in Washington DC. That's the secret to his success. He will not be the last successful populist presidential candidate. The good ole boy system is on the way out.

Funny. He is the leader of the swamp and an excellent conman. I am a New Yorker. He has been a conman all of his adult life. Give him credit for being a skilled conman too

 

[Craig234]

Our pendulum is off right now in America. We are a two party country with two versions of each. The Dems who are progressive/globalist, and the moderates. Same with the Reps. One moderate and then the depressive Tea Party/Trump Party.

Our government is currently off to one side upsetting the balance. The pendulum is swinging middle for Dems, and far right for Reps.

This country works best when we have moderates in both parties as representatives. Our political climate is not stable at the moment.

I say this as a progressive, but I do know how America functions best as a capitalist country.

Sigh. Our language is distorted. The non-progressive wing of Democrats is corporatist/conservative, not 'moderate. Progressives are moderates, but the word is used for the corporatists, nice propaganda. "Moderate" Republicans are extinct at the federal level, though there are some voters and state level.

This country works best with progressive policies, not the corruption we've had especially strong since Reagan that has harmed both parties. As I have said, the word 'capitalist' is useless here. The two choices are "plutocratic capitalism", and "democratic capitalism". Progressives are for democratic capitalism.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Funny. He is the leader of the swamp and an excellent conman. I am a New Yorker. He has been a conman all of his adult life. Give him credit for being a skilled conman too

Yawn.....

 

[Credence]

I vote for the person, not the party. In 2016 I voted for Evan McMullin. I used to like Rand Paul but he has gone off the deep end. I wanted Seth Moulton to win the D primary and I would have voted for John Kasich had he run or Ben Sasse. I did wind up voting for Biden but it was the better of the two options IMO Just tired of all the Trump and his ilk's corruption. Almost everyone he appointed was or is being investigated, lawyers stripped of their license or sanctioned ; a wannabe despot, massive election lies resulting in ridiculous voting laws by GOP, inciting a riot etc.; I could go on -- yep he is definitely the leader of the swamp.

There is no real Republican party anymore as long as they support this wannabe despot

 

[Ginger Ale]

Sigh. Our language is distorted. The non-progressive wing of Democrats is corporatist/conservative, not 'moderate. Progressives are moderates, but the word is used for the corporatists, nice propaganda. "Moderate" Republicans are extinct at the federal level, though there are some voters and state level.

This country works best with progressive policies, not the corruption we've had especially strong since Reagan that has harmed both parties. As I have said, the word 'capitalist' is useless here. The two choices are "plutocratic capitalism", and "democratic capitalism". Progressives are for democratic capitalism.

Well, I'm bias, but I like to think progressive policies are not only better for our country but the world.

 

[Craig234]

Well, I'm bias, but I like to think progressive policies are not only better for our country but the world.

Because they are. Why do you post that like it's disagreeing with my post, that it didn't address?

 

[Craig234]

I vote for the person, not the party.

Big mistake.