People in Canada don't declare bankruptcy due to medical bills. In the US, however, ... (1 Viewer)

[Greenbeard]

So what do you want to do? Mandate savings accounts? The ACA basically killed the HSAs (health savings accounts)

I swear you people live in outer space.

 

[mike2810]

I am not responsible for having an alternative. About as useful as asking anyone on the street how to fly a plane.
But what ACA gave us was holy hell not the answer.
Isn't it funny how for the past 4 years no one brought this up, but now a Republican is coming into office - what are you going to do???????
Same old story.

Thanks.
Great to know you believe the ACA is wrong and have no alternative to present.

Typical for your posts.

 

[CaughtInThe]

There are literal Republican families filing for bankruptcy as we type. Because of medical bills. In the South.

****ing idiots.

 

[dmpi]

If people can't afford health care, and the US government has no money, where did all the money go? There's plenty of money in the USA. Somebody has it. Who?

If the goverment had money we wouldn't have a 36 trillion dollar goverment debt. That debt represents future obligations to citizens, non-citizens and foreign countries. You ask where did all the money go? Think about it. If a hurricane comes and it cost 3 billion to repair all the damage to make things just the way they were. When did the 3 billion go? We spend a lot just to keep our homeless population alive just so we can spend the same amount next week.

 

[MAGAnificent]

The ACA dropped the uninsured rate in this country to historical lows.

Yet millions are still uninsured and many of those newly insured cannot afford to take advantage of the insurance

The answer is to improve, not get rid of it.

If the congress critters would like to take out all of the insane nasty aspects of the ACA, including the mandates and still call it the ACA, no problem.

Thailand recently adapted universal healthcare. The results were dramatic.

Nobody gives a **** about how they do healthcare in Thailand. Universal Healthcare here simply would not work.

 

[countryboy]

Canadians live a few years longer than Americans.

Nice try.

Other than the thousands who die waiting for medical care?

 

[Peacenik]

please give some specifics of a more intelligent health insurance reform would look like.
Your comment also does not address my point of people living at or above their means and do not save to account for unexpected expenses.


/sarcasm
President-elect Trump told us he as a "concept" of a plan. Has not given specifics of the plan.

Hey. Give him credit. He doesn't just have one concept of a plan. He has multiple concepts of a plan. Soon he will have fellow Republicans in control of both houses of Congress. Let's see what those concepts are!

OK, Donald. You got the power to help Americans. Time to deliver on your promises. We're waiting.

We're waiting to see how you can possibly do that while still sucking up to all your billionaire buddies.

What dupes Republican voters are!

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Thanks.
Great to know you believe the ACA is wrong and have no alternative to present.

Typical for your posts.

When you elect me to President, I'll have you an answer

 

[MAGAnificent]

Incorrect. UHC would be cheaper than our current system.

The point is that the taxpayers simply cannot afford it It would cost a minimum of 60 trillion dollars just in the first ten years.

 

[Greenbeard]

Isn't it funny how for the past 4 years no one brought this up, but now a Republican is coming into office - what are you going to do???????
Same old story.

Welcome back to earth, I trust your stay in space was a pleasant one.

Numbers Don’t Lie. Biden Kept His Promise on Improving Obamacare. - KFF Health News

KHN has teamed up with our partners at PolitiFact to monitor 100 key promises made by Joe Biden during the 2020 presidential campaign — including those surrounding the Affordable Care Act.

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[Peacenik]

The ACA dropped the uninsured rate in this country to historical lows. But it is pretty limited because of Republican opposition. The answer is to improve, not get rid of it.

Thailand recently adapted universal healthcare. The results were dramatic. Not only did they improve the healthcare of their country by just about every metric, their GDP improved as well. Why? Because it turns out there too, unexpected catastrophic healthcare costs were the #1 cause of bankruptcies. Entire families would go bankrupt trying to take care of a loved one who just diagnosed with some catastrophic illness. Kids and grandkids would drop out of school to take take care of them.

So not only is it more humane, which I know means nothing to the right- but it is economically a good idea as well.

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2019/04/thailand-gave-healthcare-to-its-entire-population-and-the-results-were-dramatic/

Republicans like our convoluted system. It's so hard to understand and it's linked to the government. That makes it easy for right wing bloviators to blame the government and Democrats so MAGAdupe voters will vote to keep Republicans in power so they can cut taxes for billionaires, which is the whole point of the Republican party.

Get people to hate government so they will put Republicans in power to attack government and lower taxes for the super-rich.

Screw the American people. We don't matter to them. They only want our money.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Welcome back to earth, I trust your stay in space was a pleasant one.

Numbers Don’t Lie. Biden Kept His Promise on Improving Obamacare. - KFF Health News

KHN has teamed up with our partners at PolitiFact to monitor 100 key promises made by Joe Biden during the 2020 presidential campaign — including those surrounding the Affordable Care Act.

kffhealthnews.org

All he did was increase tax credits so more people could get ACA
He did nothing to adderss the problems of ACA.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Hey. Give him credit. He doesn't just have one concept of a plan. He has multiple concepts of a plan. Soon he will have fellow Republicans in control of both houses of Congress. Let's see what those concepts are!

OK, Donald. You got the power to help Americans. Time to deliver on your promises. We're waiting.

We're waiting to see how you can possibly do that while still sucking up to all your billionaire buddies.

What dupes Republican voters are!

Trump is going to help the insurance companies take more money from Republicans in the south.

 

[Greenbeard]

The point is that the taxpayers simply cannot afford it It would cost a minimum of 60 trillion dollars just in the first ten years.

$60+ trillion is what Americans are going to spend on health care over the next ten years regardless.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Yet millions are still uninsured and many of those newly insured cannot afford to take advantage of the insurance

If the congress critters would like to take out all of the insane nasty aspects of the ACA, including the mandates and still call it the ACA, no problem.

Nobody gives a **** about how they do healthcare in Thailand. Universal Healthcare here simply would not work.

Why not, since it works everywhere it's been introduced? Are you afraid somebody you don't like might get better health?

 

[Peacenik]

Obamacare was never supposed to fix medical bankruptcies. The ACA was supposed to decrease the number of uninsured people.

The insurance industry wrote the law. They wrote themselves a guaranteed 20% profit. Insurance corporations have record profits as patients are denied care and die. Thanks, Republicans. You could have joined in the effort of the people to oppose big money but no. You sided with big money and tried to kill the ACA.

The Republican party sucks!

No wonder that guy shot a health care insurance CEO.

After "United Health Care" got done with him, he felt like he had nothing left to live for.

 

[ataraxia]

If the congress critters would like to take out all of the insane nasty aspects of the ACA, including the mandates and still call it the ACA, no problem.

It’s interesting that it’s no longer being dismissed as socialism, or unconstitutional.

Nobody gives a **** about how they do healthcare in Thailand. Universal Healthcare here simply would not work.

Maybe not in exactly the same way. But not sure where you’re getting this level of confidence in your bold assertions.

 

[Peacenik]

I am not responsible for having an alternative. About as useful as asking anyone on the street how to fly a plane.
But what ACA gave us was holy hell not the answer.
Isn't it funny how for the past 4 years no one brought this up, but now a Republican is coming into office - what are you going to do???????
Same old story.

The ACA would been way better if Republicans helped Democrats fight for patient rights instead of siding with Big Insurance Billionaires.

 

[MAGAnificent]

still not very specific. Give a specific example of "over the top" coverage?

Getting rid of the one size fits all approach would be a good start. For instance a 60 year old woman probably does not need maternity coverage. Allow the insured to taylor their policies at a reasonable level as they could prior to the ACA

Should one be turned down for medical insurance for preexisting conditions, like High Blood Pressure or past skin cancer?

No. Pre-existing coverage could have been handled with a high risk pool or a higher rate for pre-existing coverage just for the one year period before coverage would kick in.

Personal choice. Some people need to readjust there budget priorities.

HSAs would potentially cover all the routine doctors visits, prescriptions, etc. I had one before the ACA. I just handed an HSA debit card to the provider for copays.

I agree with the legislative branch (Congress) comping up the laws.
imo, Congress has shown for years its inability to work together.

At some point they are going to have to work together on healthcare, otherwise we will never get real reform.

Your idea would be great, but I do not see it happening. Heck, they can't agree on a budget and get one signed on time. A health plan is out of reach.

Maybe that's where Trump can come in. Meet with the leaders, both parties in the White House and push them to work it out. In this term, Trump probably has the political capital.

 

[Greenbeard]

All he did was increase tax credits so more people could get ACA
He did nothing to adderss the problems of ACA.

The “problems” seem to be that people aren’t choosing generous enough plans for your tastes. More generous premium subsidies make it easier for them to buy more generous plans with lower cost-sharing if they want to.

 

[CaughtInThe]

It’s interesting that it’s no longer being dismissed as socialism, or unconstitutional.

Man. Good catch.

 

[Brusan]

Hard to declare bankruptcy when you're dead.

Thousands of Canadians died while waiting for surgery, research suggests number could be higher​

Second Street org. Is a right wing think tank funded in part by the Conservative Party in Canada. The "report" was compiled by taking reported stats from sources that did not differentiate the "reasons" for delaying surgeries or; the delaying of surgery being the cause of death; or the delayed surgery having anything to do with the ailment causing death.
Eg: the patient had terminal stomach cancer and the surgery being delayed was for carpal tunnel syndrome.
Delaying a hip replacement while the patient undergoes chemotherapy for a progressing cancer is not parsed out of those stats. Then Second Street Org. that issued that report went even further in their efforts to dramatize their already spurious info by admitting to not having the information required to specify those delayed operations being associated with the cause of death by merely "extrapolating" and "assigning" a number for at least 7 of Canada's 10 Provinces and 3 Territories.

In short Second Street Org., is akin to three levels beneath the Koch Brothers funded right wing think tanks like Fraser Institute and Heritage Foundation for the veracity of it's "reportage".

Sorta like Fox News publicly admitting in a court of law no one should confuse them with being a legitimate news agency.

 

[Peacenik]

still not very specific. Give a specific example of "over the top" coverage?
Should one be turned down for medical insurance for preexisting conditions, like High Blood Pressure or past skin cancer?

Personal choice. Some people need to readjust there budget priorities.

I agree with the legislative branch (Congress) comping up the laws.
imo, Congress has shown for years its inability to work together.
Your idea would be great, but I do not see it happening. Heck, they can't agree on a budget and get one signed on time. A health plan is out of reach.

Congress won't do anything to help Americans because they are bought. They work for the billionaires. That should be clear to everyone now.

 

[Peacenik]

Every state implemented ACA
Some could not afford all of it.
At the same time, have you looked at how many states are near bankruptcy right now?

You can fool some of the people all the time; and all of the people come of the time; but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Why not, since it works everywhere it's been introduced? Are you afraid somebody you don't like might get better health?

Everywhere else you claim it works do not have the jackpot civil court system that exists in the US. And to be honest, UHC does not work that well in your land of tea and crumpets. I have streamed and watched how ****ed up it is in your hospitals. The care is good when you can get it, however two many needed treatments and surgeries are canceled multiple times over lack of hospital beds and funding. I have never had that happen here.