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Pence demands Congress ‘do their job’ after health bill collapse

I don't know that I would want those shnooks to be forbidden expressing their political thoughts with slander and populism. But I do think it is disgusting to vote for them.

I think it's quite illustrative for citizens to see what they have elected to office, so I share your thoughts on allowing them to continue.

My beef is allowing them unanswered, and unfettered opportunities to continue doing so.

It is astonishing to me that the Senate Minority Leader can state the President of the United States, and his family, are criminals, and not suffer any consequences for doing so.

Shoe on the other foot, and heads would roll in the press, and in the halls of Congress.
 
They should not be suggesting. They should be doing. There have been no Democrat bills to fix Ocare. Not even when they were in the majority.

Believe it or not. Ocare has cost the Democrats all elections past Obama winning the first time. And both parties are too dumb to understand this.

They haven't been in the majority for a few years. It's the Republicans' job now.
 
also devoid of input from female members of the congress

Murkowski, Capito, and Collins understand that when you're not at the table, you're on the menu.
 
Lol !
The Democrats had 14 months to reform healthcare and the disaster that is ObamaCare is what they delivered.

Well that and a lot of lies

Pre-existing conditions, ten essential health benefits, keeping children on plan until 26, Elimination of lifetime caps, expansion of medicaid to the poorest people and premium hikes that are consistent to pre-ACA. Yeah, what a disaster.

By the way, starting every post with "Lol!" makes you look stupid.
 
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I think it's quite illustrative for citizens to see what they have elected to office, so I share your thoughts on allowing them to continue.

My beef is allowing them unanswered, and unfettered opportunities to continue doing so.

It is astonishing to me that the Senate Minority Leader can state the President of the United States, and his family, are criminals, and not suffer any consequences for doing so.

Shoe on the other foot, and heads would roll in the press, and in the halls of Congress.

There's this little detail that we like to call "freedom of speech". Its the same reason that no heads rolled when Republicans called Hillary a criminal. The shoe has been on the other foot so long it's worn out. Your fragile toes need to grow some callouses.
 
Zombie Trumpcare lives!

The White House is attempting to revive a repeal and replacement of Obamacare, starting with overtures to one of the Republican senators who expressed his opposition to the Senate’s Better Care Reconciliation Act. President Donald Trump will unveil his plans to the gathering of Senate Republicans at a lunch at the White House Wednesday.

Mike Lee, the conservative Utah senator who on Monday announced he would join Kansas senator Jerry Moran in opposing the BCRA, spoke with Vice President Mike Pence at Tuesday's Senate GOP policy lunch and later that day spoke with Trump on the phone. Both Trump and Pence discussed health care with Lee.

White House Renews Push to Repeal Obamacare | The Weekly Standard

Here we go again. I know I've said in the past that repeal of the ACA seems inevitable considering that Republicans have at least a year and four months of total control. That said, I'm getting the sense that a growing number of Republican congressmen are getting super pissed off that this isn't going away.

They know these bills are toxic.
 
Currently the front pic on the website of the alt-right's single most despised news media outlet:

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Pre-existing conditions, ten essential health benefits, keeping children on plan until 26, Elimination of lifetime caps, expansion of medicaid to the poorest people and premium hikes that are consistent to pre-ACA. Yeah, what a disaster.

By the way, starting every post with "Lol!" makes you look stupid.

Co-ops failing, risk corridors bankrupt, States blowing through hundreds of millions of dollars setting up exchanges that never worked ( Oregon alone blew through 300 million ), deductibles so high that having insurance is pointless, 1/3 of US Counties only having one insurer to purchase a policy from, less than half of the CBOs projected 22 million buying policies on the exchanges.....need I continue ?

Because I can.

THATS ObamaCare, thats what the Democrats delivered and imposed upon our Nation and a already struggling and shrinking MiddleClass.

If ObamaCare did what the Dems back in 2009 said it would do then no amount of GOP opposition would matter.
No one would pay attention to them and they wouldnt be in a situation where they needed to come up with a fix for such a disastrous piece of legislation
 
Co-ops failing, risk corridors bankrupt, States blowing through hundreds of millions of dollars setting up exchanges that never worked ( Oregon alone blew through 300 million ), deductibles so high that having insurance is pointless, 1/3 of US Counties only having one insurer to purchase a policy from, less than half of the CBOs projected 22 million buying policies on the exchanges

Links?

.....need I continue ?

Because I can.

Okay, then please continue.

THATS ObamaCare, thats what the Democrats delivered and imposed upon our Nation and a already struggling and shrinking MiddleClass.

If ObamaCare did what the Dems back in 2009 said it would do then no amount of GOP opposition would matter.
No one would pay attention to them and they wouldnt be in a situation where they needed to come up with a fix for such a disastrous piece of legislation

How are you being insured right now?
 
And as rocket said above, Republicans need to accept the FACT there are things in the ACA that are good and that people like and Democrats need to understand there are parts that are broken and need fixing. The problem is the posturing from BOTH sides. This latest action from the Republicans to shut out Dems and write the bill in secret was a mistake. And if actual costs of health care aren't addressed somehow no matter who writes the bill, it is doomed to fail either in legislation or in practice.

Dems lost the elections because Republicans kept saying they could come up with a better plan. They can't. And now people don't want it repealed entirely so the Republicans are not going to be able to run (and win) on repeal anymore and in 2018 I think they will see that.

both sides need to stop acting like children and work together and Trump needs to shut the **** up with his tweets insulting folks. Seriously between congress and the presidency the US is looked at as a joke around the world and would be funny if we weren't living it here right now having to deal with the results.

People can blame the media all they want, but no one is forcing Trump to tweet his childish tantrums.

What better plan? Which Republican said they had a better plan? The Republican plan was repeal, and they so voted over 60 times. The costs of Obamacare were well discussed. We were all going to save money. $2500 was the figure.

I tend to agree that Trump might be better served with less social media ramblings, but in general he responds to media ramblings.

Even during Johnson and Kennedy, and Byrd, the two sides often could and did come together and meet somewhere in the middle. That day is gone.
 
The Democrats weren't in the majority in the house after they passed Obamacare. They got back a slim majority in the senate, but not enough to get anything done with McConnell in the way. Tim Cain has proposed using reinsurance as a way to bring down premiums in the marketplace. He's submitted a bill, but of course it's not going anywhere in McConnell's senate.

When Republicans in the senate decided to do healthcare reform as a form of budget reconciliation, it meant that that it couldn't be filibustered. That way they didn't have to work with Democrats. A couple weeks or so ago, McConnell threatened Republicans that if they didn't pass Trumpcare, he'd have to WORK WITH DEMOCRATS! What a horrible concept!:eek:

I never said McConnell is a solution. On the contrary I believe he and Ryan going away would be the next step in draining the swamp.
 
Links?



Okay, then please continue.



How are you being insured right now?

Links ? Really ? How about you debunk everything I listed ?

Why should I post links when no amount of links is ever going to change your perspective or mind on just how awesome the ACA is ?
 
I never said McConnell is a solution. On the contrary I believe he and Ryan going away would be the next step in draining the swamp.

Instead of all the name calling and finger pointing, how about getting down to business. I'm tired of talking about draining the swamp. How about getting some work done in a bi-partisan manner with input from the medical community, insurance companies, and pharma? Democrats need to be more assertive and Republicans need to grow up.
 
They haven't been in the majority for a few years. It's the Republicans' job now.

But they were at one time, and they owned it. All of it. All they, meaning Obama and company, did was kick the can down the road. An extension here, a delay there, a time line pushed bask. A smart move I would add, and the McConnell, Ryan, Boehnor leadership allowed it to happen. Republicans would be fools to assume the responsibility, and I've never said they weren't fools. They have backed themselves into a corner. Largely due to the presumption that it would be a while until we had a non democrat president.

Again, I never said they weren't fools.
 
Instead of all the name calling and finger pointing, how about getting down to business. I'm tired of talking about draining the swamp. How about getting some work done in a bi-partisan manner with input from the medical community, insurance companies, and pharma? Democrats need to be more assertive and Republicans need to grow up.

I agree. The problem is the current crop of politicians think they have no reason to get down ti business. Chucky yesterday said he would work with Republicans, as long as he got everything he wanted. Republicans are no better.
 
$22 covered everything you needed? Are you sure about that? What was the plan?
It was an employee healthcare plan covered by Kroger for my supervisory position in customer service. Every supervisor got it, no matter how low the position, although expenses raised depending on what you wanted. If you had a major issue that was not covered under the plan, you would just pay a one time $500-$1000 fee, and they would've raise my rate to 25-30$ a month to cover it, which is still cheap. One employee developed leukemia and his fee was only $750, and every surgery was covered. Since I was healthy, I only needed the bare-bones, 20$ a month insurance, that covered all doctor's visits, vaccines, minor illnesses, etc. It was easy and simple, and common plans in my state that most major businesses had. Unfortunately, under the ACA, they had to offer plans in bundles and could not continue the practice of "pay as you go" with insurance, since the original plans were considered unsuitable.

Now, I've seen plans cost as much as $200-$400 a month for basic plans, and you have no choice but to use subsidies, and sometimes you don't qualify. Me, for example, don't qualify for a subsidy, because my income is EXACTLY at the right amount where I don't qualify, but if I get any money taken out, I have to make sure to go a few days without eating every month.

If it wasn't for the ACA, these good plans would still exist. This is what happens when the federal government only goes by what's on paper, and doesn't go by how things actually work in practice.
 
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It they do repeal ACA then replace it 2 years down the road, you can kiss the GOP domination of congress goodbye. Do you want that?

I can't get my head around what the heck folks like you and Rand Paul are thinking. Must every issue be governed by the free market system? How are you 'free market guys'/Right Libertarians gonna handle the reformation of entitlements like Medicaid and Social Security? I shudder to think.

because obamacare is a POS. people don't realize that there is a better way. one in which they are better off making their own healthcare decisions than the government.
 
It was an employee healthcare plan covered by Kroger for my supervisory position in customer service. Every supervisor got it, no matter how low the position, although expenses raised depending on what you wanted. If you had a major issue that was not covered under the plan, you would just pay a one time $500-$1000 fee, and they would've raise my rate to 25-30$ a month to cover it, which is still cheap. One employee developed leukemia and his fee was only $750, and every surgery was covered. Since I was healthy, I only needed the bare-bones, 20$ a month insurance, that covered all doctor's visits, vaccines, minor illnesses, etc. It was easy and simple, and common plans in my state that most major businesses had. Unfortunately, under the ACA, they had to offer plans in bundles and could not continue the practice of "pay as you go" with insurance, since the original plans were considered unsuitable.

Now, I've seen plans cost as much as $200-$400 a month for basic plans, and you have no choice but to use subsidies, and sometimes you don't qualify. Me, for example, don't qualify for a subsidy, because my income is EXACTLY at the right amount where I don't qualify, but if I get any money taken out, I have to make sure to go a few days without eating every month.

If it wasn't for the ACA, these good plans would still exist. This is what happens when the federal government only goes by what's on paper, and doesn't go by how things actually work in practice.

It's hard for me to comment on anecdotal evidence because I can't look at the plan, who's paying for it, and what benefits it was eventually forced to provide to justify the higher costs, but it sounds to me like you're describing risk pools.
 
I agree. The problem is the current crop of politicians think they have no reason to get down ti business. Chucky yesterday said he would work with Republicans, as long as he got everything he wanted. Republicans are no better.

No, Chucky said he'd work with Republicans to fix Obama care instead of repealing it. Big difference. Obamacare does have problems that need to be fixed, but it has brought health insurance to 27 million people who didn't have it before. It needs to be fixed, not scrapped.
 
No, Chucky said he'd work with Republicans to fix Obama care instead of repealing it. Big difference. Obamacare does have problems that need to be fixed, but it has brought health insurance to 27 million people who didn't have it before. It needs to be fixed, not scrapped.
If the GOP repeals it without major fixes, it loses the House next year.
 
If the GOP repeals it without major fixes, it loses the House next year.

Republicans are in a box of their own making. Whatever they do, there will be a backlash, so they may as well do the right thing. Work with Democrats to fix Obamacare.
 
The liberals and some Democrats in Congress are showing a total disregard for form and even law. After all, slander and liable aren't nice.

Actually there is plenty of evidence of the Trump families criminal enterprises. Even Trumps own words about "grabbing ******s" without asking are evidence of his own criminal behaviors. It is Trumps "disregard for form or even law" that is troubling .
 
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