Pence: Abortion will end in U.S. 'in our time'

[vegas giants]

THAT'S BECAUSE SOCIETY WANTS THOSE BIRTHS TO HAPPEN. And I previously wrote (with stress now added):

REMEMBER, I also suggested:

UNDER THE CURRENT SOCIETAL PARADIGM, you are simply never going to get what you want, no matter how fair you think it might be.

Society wanted slavery for a long time. They wanted blacks in the back of the bus and women at home in the kitchen. All these things were deemed best for society. Civil rights requires a new way of thinking. Civil rights don't change over night. But the pro choice argument is clear. Mena and women deserve a choice pre and post conception. That is what is ultimately best for women, men and children

 

[FutureIncoming]

Society wanted slavery for a long time. They wanted blacks in the back of the bus and women at home in the kitchen. All these things were deemed best for society. Civil rights requires a new way of thinking. Civil rights don't change over night. But the pro choice argument is clear. Mena and women deserve a choice pre and post conception. That is what is ultimately best for women, men and children

THEN YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON CHANGING THE CURRENT SOCIETAL PARADIGM, regarding wanting births to happen. You are never going to get the thing you want, without the other thing also happening.

 

[vegas giants]

THEN YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON CHANGING THE CURRENT SOCIETAL PARADIGM, regarding wanting births to happen. You are never going to get the thing you want, without the other thing also happening.

Civil rights always requires a change in society. Women will be free to have as many kids as they want. There just will be more kids in two parent families. And that is a good thing that society wants. It's not a big leap. And it's pro choice

 

[FutureIncoming]

Civil rights always requires a change in society.

NOT QUITE. It is a change in existing civil rights that can require a change in society.

Women will be free to have as many kids as they want.

STUPIDLY FALSE. Even you have previously indicated that if they can't afford kids, they are likely to choose abortions. No matter how much those women might want kids (or more kids). And the exact same thing can be expected to be true of two-parent families, also.

 

[vegas giants]

NOT QUITE. It is a change in existing civil rights that can require a change in society.


STUPIDLY FALSE. Even you have previously indicated that if they can't afford kids, they are likely to choose abortions. No matter how much those women might want kids (or more kids). And the exact same thing can be expected to be true of two-parent families, also.

It is better for children, women and men if children are raised in two parent households where both parents want the child. Now certainly some people can be great single parents and have the resources to make that work and should do it. This model encourages that too. What I want is what is best for children women and men. Its choice.

 

[Lursa]

A choice for ending his pregnancy? Sure. When he gets pregnant.

There is no equal or same.

Biology prevents that.

And *who says* he should have the same choice? What authority is that coming from? That's an opinion, nothing else.

The implication seems to be that while men do have a choice, they arent capable of choosing in their own best interests...men imply this in their posts all the time. It demonstrates a belief, which I dont share, that men are weak and stupid.

It's pretty clear...men CAN choose...they just dont want to. Well, they know the law and they knowingly assume the risks. They have no control over their sperm once they share it.

Not all laws can be equal. And it's certainly not 'equal' to force their responsibilities on the taxpayers that didnt produce the child.

Hey, if it's moral outrage against unfairness...I'll claim it for us taxpayers. We *had no choice*.

Still havent seen a solution that lets the taxpayers off the hook when the bio parents (male and female) are available.

 

[Lursa]

In your dreams. Once you understand that your fantasy world won’t ever exist you’ll feel more at peace. You will have to surrender to the reality that the remedy you dream of isn’t going to happen in any Legislative or judicial institutions.

LOL So much for 'winning!' on the Internets or real life.

 

[year2late]

And *who says* he should have the same choice? What authority is that coming from? That's an opinion, nothing else.

The implication seems to be that while men do have a choice, they arent capable of choosing in their own best interests...men imply this in their posts all the time. It demonstrates a belief, which I dont share, that men are weak and stupid.

It's pretty clear...men CAN choose...they just dont want to. Well, they know the law and they knowingly assume the risks. They have no control over their sperm once they share it.

Not all laws can be equal. And it's certainly not 'equal' to force their responsibilities on the taxpayers that didnt produce the child.

Hey, if it's moral outrage against unfairness...I'll claim it for us taxpayers. We *had no choice*.

Still havent seen a solution that lets the taxpayers off the hook when the bio parents (male and female) are available.

Agreed. As a taxpayer, I want both parents tapped before they come to the government.

 

[MrMike]

I actually think abortions for Liberals (who choose to do so) is an acceptable compromise. In fact, late-late term abortions even up until the age of 80 for them should be perfectly fine.

 

[vegas giants]

Agreed. As a taxpayer, I want both parents tapped before they come to the government.

I want a women who wants to raise a child on her own to assume that financial responsibility....or get an abortion

 

[soylentgreen]

I want a women who wants to raise a child on her own to assume that financial responsibility....or get an abortion

Or to put it more clearly, you do not want to be held responsible for your actions. You also only want to'pay lip service to the idea of it is a woman's choice. What you really want is the right to decide what her choice must be.

 

[vegas giants]

Or to put it more clearly, you do not want to be held responsible for your actions. You also only want to'pay lip service to the idea of it is a woman's choice. What you really want is the right to decide what her choice must be.

She can choose anything she likes. But she does not get to decide that he pays for her choice. She has a legal remedy that solves both their problems. She can take it or not. And then be responsible for her choice. That is pro choice.

 

[Lursa]

Or to put it more clearly, you do not want to be held responsible for your actions. You also only want to'pay lip service to the idea of it is a woman's choice. What you really want is the right to decide what her choice must be.

It's clear from the wording that the real issue is that a woman is deciding *for the man*....that men resent that women have some imagined 'control or power' over them. But if that's the case, then it's pretty stupid of them to hand that control over to them casually and knowingly.

It's some kind of (inaccurate) admission that men cant control themselves in their own best interests).

It's also ignorance of the law...women dont decide this, the state does.

 

[vegas giants]

It's clear from the wording that the real issue is that a woman is deciding *for the man*....that men resent that women have some imagined 'control or power' over them. But if that's the case, then it's pretty stupid of them to hand that control over to them casually and knowingly.

It's some kind of (inaccurate) admission that men cant control themselves in their own best interests).

It's also ignorance of the law...women dont decide this, the state does.

It flips the other way too.....exactly.

 

[year2late]

I want a women who wants to raise a child on her own to assume that financial responsibility....or get an abortion

I know what you want. If a child is born, I don't want to help support a child through welfare systems before both parents are supporting the child.

Do you really want to keep up this circle jerk? I mean, really. We both seem pretty set.

 

[vegas giants]

I know what you want. If a child is born, I don't want to help support a child through welfare systems before both parents are supporting the child.

Do you really want to keep up this circle jerk? I mean, really. We both seem pretty set.

You can stop at any time. I know what you want to. But I believe in civil rights. I want what is best for men, women and children. And that is pro choice

 

[year2late]

You can stop at any time. I know what you want to. But I believe in civil rights. I want what is best for men, women and children. And that is pro choice

Apparently not the rights of the children that need to be supported or the taxpayers.

The fight will always be to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Long term safe and reliable and accessible birth control for men would give them a real choice in their reproductive life.

That is an attainable goal. Yours is not. Taxpayers will see to it.

 

[vegas giants]

Apparently not the rights of the children that need to be supported or the taxpayers.

The fight will always be to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Long term safe and reliable and accessible birth control for men would give them a real choice in their reproductive life.

That is an attainable goal. Yours is not. Taxpayers will see to it.

As I said before....many said segregation would be forever. They were wrong and so are you. In the end civil rights always prevail. Pro choice means pro choice. For women and men. The struggle continues

 

[soylentgreen]

She can choose anything she likes. But she does not get to decide that he pays for her choice. She has a legal remedy that solves both their problems. She can take it or not. And then be responsible for her choice. That is pro choice.

No, she does not get to decide that is not her concern. It is society that creates laws that will make a man face his responsibility and pay for his mistakes.
What you are suggesting is not pro choice. It is a man whinging that he should be allowed to make her choices for her.

 

[year2late]

As I said before....many said segregation would be forever. They were wrong and so are you. In the end civil rights always prevail. Pro choice means pro choice. For women and men. The struggle continues

Men have a choice. But if a child is born...both parents must attempt to support. No civil rights issues.

But good luck.

Why not start a thread where this is the actual topic. The topic of this thread is how Pence thinks that abortion will end in our time.:lamo

 

[vegas giants]

No, she does not get to decide that is not her concern. It is society that creates laws that will make a man face his responsibility and pay for his mistakes.
What you are suggesting is not pro choice. It is a man whinging that he should be allowed to make her choices for her.

Yes society should change this law. She can make any choice she likes. But both man and woman should have a choice to opt out post conception

 

[vegas giants]

Men have a choice. But if a child is born...both parents must attempt to support. No civil rights issues.

But good luck.

Why not start a thread where this is the actual topic. The topic of this thread is how Pence thinks that abortion will end in our time.:lamo

You certainly seem to want to respond to my posts. You are just not used to losing on the abortion issue. Lol

 

[soylentgreen]

It's clear from the wording that the real issue is that a woman is deciding *for the man*....that men resent that women have some imagined 'control or power' over them. But if that's the case, then it's pretty stupid of them to hand that control over to them casually and knowingly.

It's some kind of (inaccurate) admission that men cant control themselves in their own best interests).

It's also ignorance of the law...women dont decide this, the state does.

It honestly would not surprise me to see one of these men call out for the mandatory wearing of a burka for women because it is women's fault that men become sexually aroused.

 

[Lursa]

It honestly would not surprise me to see one of these men call out for the mandatory wearing of a burka for women because it is women's fault that men become sexually aroused.

I think that's where Mike Pence is headed....

 

[vegas giants]

It honestly would not surprise me to see one of these men call out for the mandatory wearing of a burka for women because it is women's fault that men become sexually aroused.

No. Just equality post conception