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It seems the "day that will live in infamy" has largely been forgotten. We still remember 9/11, but 12/7 seems to have faded from memory.
Of course, Japan of 2018 is quite different from Japan of 1941, so maybe forgetting and forgiving is the right thing to do.....
...or is ignoring history liable to condemn us to repeat it?
What do you think?
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor."
Sincerely,
Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, William Kristol, Donald Rumsfeld, Dan Quayle, Paul Wolfowitz, Scooter Libby
Well, I think Santayana was right about those who can't remember the past being condemned to repeat it. The history of humankind suggests this.
I said something yesterday to a couple of young adults about how glad I was that President Bush's funeral was not on the 7th, and they knew instantly that I was referring to Pearl Harbor.
It seems the "day that will live in infamy" has largely been forgotten. We still remember 9/11, but 12/7 seems to have faded from memory.
Of course, Japan of 2018 is quite different from Japan of 1941, so maybe forgetting and forgiving is the right thing to do.....
...or is ignoring history liable to condemn us to repeat it?
What do you think?
Let's get one thing right:If you're going to quote what may be FDR's most famous remark, at least quote him accurately. FDR said "December 7th, 1941 a date which will live in infamy," not "a day...that..." I presume he didn't say "day" because, as a Groton grad, he was well aware of the difference between "day" and "date" -- a difference that, frankly, fifth graders should comprehend and apply -- and because he found it important to speak with precision and use words that correctly and accurate depict the thoughts he cared to express.
The fact of Pearl having been bombed on a given date is why National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day is always on a given date, December 7th, and not a given day (Mon, Tues, Wed, etc.).
You're misstating FDR's remarks does not preclude my knowing what you've got in mind. I'm merely saying that if you're going to quote someone, exhibit the rigor, the intellectual and pragmatic integrity of bothering to accurately do so. The misquote you've penned, if one takes it as representationally/existentially faithful, implies that FDR was either ignorant of the difference between "day" and "date" or too indolent to dictionally apply the difference. FDR was neither for he did indeed "know words," "have the best words" and aptly and ably use them.
With that out of the way....
- Who, in your mind, is "we?"
- Given that Congress established December 7th as National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day and that legislation requests that the POTUS...
- "...issue each year a proclamation calling on-
the people of the United States to observe National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day with appropriate ceremonies and activities; and- all departments, agencies, and instrumentalities of the United States Government, and interested organizations, groups, and individuals, to fly the flag of the United States at halfstaff each December 7 in honor of the individuals who died as a result of their service at Pearl Harbor.
How do you reckon that the "'date that will live in infamy' has largely been forgotten?"
[*=1]The POTUS issued the requested proclamation.
[*=1]Half-staff flag status: In light of George HW Bush's passing, the WH is flying its flag at half-staff for the next ~30 days.
[*=1]I can see the flag at the Capitol is today at half-staff. I don't know whether that status's reason is dual, as it is at the WH, or not. I suppose one will be able to tell by looking tomorrow. If it's still at half-staff, it's dual.
Given that Congress established December 7th as National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day and that legislation requests that the POTUS...
So few of the people alive during the PH attack are still alive that actual memory of the events and the emotions they evoked are fading away. What most of us know of the Pearl Harbor attack is from history books which lack the gut-punch effect that we've just been attacked.It seems the "day that will live in infamy" has largely been forgotten. We still remember 9/11, but 12/7 seems to have faded from memory.
Of course, Japan of 2018 is quite different from Japan of 1941, so maybe forgetting and forgiving is the right thing to do.....
...or is ignoring history liable to condemn us to repeat it?
What do you think?
So few of the people alive during the PH attack are still alive that actual memory of the events and the emotions they evoked are fading away. What most of us know of the Pearl Harbor attack is from history books which lack the gut-punch effect that we've just been attacked.
It seems the "day that will live in infamy" has largely been forgotten. We still remember 9/11, but 12/7 seems to have faded from memory.
Of course, Japan of 2018 is quite different from Japan of 1941, so maybe forgetting and forgiving is the right thing to do.....
...or is ignoring history liable to condemn us to repeat it?
What do you think?
Let's get one thing right:If you're going to quote what may be FDR's most famous remark, at least quote him accurately. FDR said "December 7th, 1941 a date which will live in infamy," not "a day...that..." I presume he didn't say "day" because, as a Groton grad, he was well aware of the difference between "day" and "date" -- a difference that, frankly, fifth graders should comprehend and apply -- and because he found it important to speak with precision and use words that correctly and accurate depict the thoughts he cared to express.
The fact of Pearl having been bombed on a given date is why National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day is always on a given date, December 7th, and not a given day (Mon, Tues, Wed, etc.).
You're misstating FDR's remarks does not preclude my knowing what you've got in mind. I'm merely saying that if you're going to quote someone, exhibit the rigor, the intellectual and pragmatic integrity of bothering to accurately do so. The misquote you've penned, if one takes it as representationally/existentially faithful, implies that FDR was either ignorant of the difference between "day" and "date" or too indolent to dictionally apply the difference. FDR was neither for he did indeed "know words," "have the best words" and aptly and ably use them.
With that out of the way....
Firstly, let me present you with your badge:
I agree. During my Navy career I tried to visit the Arizona Memorial whenever we made a port visit to Pearl Harbor. also tried to get as many of my young sailors as possible to make the trip. It's inspiring and emotional to see the list of sailors still entombed on the ship and stand on the memorial and look down towards the massive ship resting just below the waves.Good point. Hardly any of us were old enough to have been aware of the Pearl Harbor attack. If we weren't here when it happened, it lacks emotional punch. So many events are starting to fade for the same reason. Fewer and fewer remember the Kennedy assassination, the Reagan attempted assassination, the Tet Offensive, the My Lie Massacre, lots of historical events. Even 9/11 is from a dusty history book for most high schoolers now.
Still, history does matter and needs to be passed on, as best we can, to younger generations.
- My comment had nothing to do with your grammar. It had only to do with your misquoting FDR and the implications of the nature of the misquote itself. Your grammar doesn't factor into your quotations of other people's statements.
- Why did you need to be smug about the mistake you clearly made and that I remarked upon? Was it too much for you to simply acknowledge the error -- saying something akin to "my bad" -- and being done?
Integrity bids one called-out for their clear mistake(s) to simply own them and move on. Nobody's going to chide one who owns his fallibility because we all are so; being so is quintessentially human. I mean, really. What response is there to give when another "owns" their goofs and gaffes? None, unless one is literally the sort who "beats dead horses."
- While my comments in this second "bullet point" may to you seem sanctimonious, the fact is that if you use the search function, you'll find that when people call me out or call to my attention clear/objective mistakes I've made, I do in fact simply "own" my error and move on. I've not suggested you comport yourself in any way that I'm unwilling to exhibit. Indeed, that I'm willing to "own my ****" is the currency that affords me the wherewithal to ridicule public figures (and sometimes others) for not doing so.
- FWIW, the reason I called attention to your misquoting of FDR is because the error in your misquote of him makes FDR seem like the linguistic rube that Donald Trump is....FDR does not deserve to be thus depicted, explicitly or tacitly.
Given that Congress established December 7th as National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day and that legislation requests that the POTUS...
Red:
- Who, in your mind, is "we?"
- Given that Congress established December 7th as National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day and that legislation requests that the POTUS...
- "...issue each year a proclamation calling on-
the people of the United States to observe National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day with appropriate ceremonies and activities; and- all departments, agencies, and instrumentalities of the United States Government, and interested organizations, groups, and individuals, to fly the flag of the United States at halfstaff each December 7 in honor of the individuals who died as a result of their service at Pearl Harbor.
How do you reckon that the "'date that will live in infamy' has largely been forgotten?"
[*=1]The POTUS issued the requested proclamation.
[*=1]Half-staff flag status: In light of George HW Bush's passing, the WH is flying its flag at half-staff for the next ~30 days.
[*=1]I can see the flag at the Capitol is today at half-staff. I don't know whether that status's reason is dual, as it is at the WH, or not. I suppose one will be able to tell by looking tomorrow. If it's still at half-staff, it's dual.
...the answer to your question is that no one even mentions Pearl Harbor day, or date if you prefer.
Red:
Obviously, as shown by the content found at the webpages to which I linked in the post containing the question you've answering, your "red" statement is factually untrue.
It seems the "day that will live in infamy" has largely been forgotten. We still remember 9/11, but 12/7 seems to have faded from memory.
Of course, Japan of 2018 is quite different from Japan of 1941, so maybe forgetting and forgiving is the right thing to do.....
...or is ignoring history liable to condemn us to repeat it?
What do you think?
Let's get one thing right:If you're going to quote what may be FDR's most famous remark, at least quote him accurately. FDR said "December 7th, 1941 a date which will live in infamy," not "a day...that..." I presume he didn't say "day" because, as a Groton grad, he was well aware of the difference between "day" and "date" -- a difference that, frankly, fifth graders should comprehend and apply -- and because he found it important to speak with precision and use words that correctly and accurate depict the thoughts he cared to express.
The fact of Pearl having been bombed on a given date is why National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day is always on a given date, December 7th, and not a given day (Mon, Tues, Wed, etc.).
You're misstating FDR's remarks does not preclude my knowing what you've got in mind. I'm merely saying that if you're going to quote someone, exhibit the rigor, the intellectual and pragmatic integrity of bothering to accurately do so. The misquote you've penned, if one takes it as representationally/existentially faithful, implies that FDR was either ignorant of the difference between "day" and "date" or too indolent to dictionally apply the difference. FDR was neither for he did indeed "know words," "have the best words" and aptly and ably use them.
With that out of the way....
- Who, in your mind, is "we?"
- Given that Congress established December 7th as National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day and that legislation requests that the POTUS...
- "...issue each year a proclamation calling on-
the people of the United States to observe National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day with appropriate ceremonies and activities; and- all departments, agencies, and instrumentalities of the United States Government, and interested organizations, groups, and individuals, to fly the flag of the United States at halfstaff each December 7 in honor of the individuals who died as a result of their service at Pearl Harbor.
How do you reckon that the "'date that will live in infamy' has largely been forgotten?"
[*=1]The POTUS issued the requested proclamation.
[*=1]Half-staff flag status: In light of George HW Bush's passing, the WH is flying its flag at half-staff for the next ~30 days.
[*=1]I can see the flag at the Capitol is today at half-staff. I don't know whether that status's reason is dual, as it is at the WH, or not. I suppose one will be able to tell by looking tomorrow. If it's still at half-staff, it's dual.
So, yes FDR got it right but so do Americans. Actually if you look it up the British say which and Americans say that. Anyway a significant memory still.
When there is 1/10 of the coverage of Pearl Harbor that there was to the passing of George HW Bush, then I'll believe you.
It seems the "day that will live in infamy" has largely been forgotten. We still remember 9/11, but 12/7 seems to have faded from memory.
Of course, Japan of 2018 is quite different from Japan of 1941, so maybe forgetting and forgiving is the right thing to do.....
...or is ignoring history liable to condemn us to repeat it?
What do you think?
Blue:The Pearl Harbour attack will not be forgotten but it will become less important and relevant as the years pass. So will 9/11.
My grandfather each year would go on a rant how Veterns Day was really Armistice Day and the younger generation will not remember the day for it's original intent. I would say he is brewing prove correct. Just as in 75 to 100 years 9/11 will be remembered as Patriots Day more than the attacks.
It seems the "day that will live in infamy" has largely been forgotten. We still remember 9/11, but 12/7 seems to have faded from memory.
Of course, Japan of 2018 is quite different from Japan of 1941, so maybe forgetting and forgiving is the right thing to do.....
...or is ignoring history liable to condemn us to repeat it?
What do you think?
Red:It seems the "day that will live in infamy" has largely been forgotten. We still remember 9/11, but 12/7 seems to have faded from memory.
Of course, Japan of 2018 is quite different from Japan of 1941, so maybe forgetting and forgiving is the right thing to do.....
...or is ignoring history liable to condemn us to repeat it?
What do you think?
- Who, in your mind, is "we?"
- Given that Congress established December 7th as National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day and that legislation requests that the POTUS...
- "...issue each year a proclamation calling on-
the people of the United States to observe National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day with appropriate ceremonies and activities; and- all departments, agencies, and instrumentalities of the United States Government, and interested organizations, groups, and individuals, to fly the flag of the United States at halfstaff each December 7 in honor of the individuals who died as a result of their service at Pearl Harbor.
How do you reckon that the "'date that will live in infamy' has largely been forgotten?"
[*=1]The POTUS issued the requested proclamation.
[*=1]Half-staff flag status: In light of George HW Bush's passing, the WH is flying its flag at half-staff for the next ~30 days.
[*=1]I can see the flag at the Capitol is today at half-staff. I don't know whether that status's reason is dual, as it is at the WH, or not. I suppose one will be able to tell by looking tomorrow. If it's still at half-staff, it's dual.
...the answer to your question is that no one even mentions Pearl Harbor day, or date if you prefer.
Red:
Obviously, as shown by the content found at the webpages to which I linked in the post containing the question you've answering, your "red" statement is factually untrue.
When there is 1/10 of the coverage of Pearl Harbor that there was to the passing of George HW Bush, then I'll believe you.
Self portrait?
Blue:...where did you get your own quote:
Given that Congress established December 7th as National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day and that legislation requests that the POTUS...
Did you write that one yourself?
- Who, in your mind, is "we?"
- Given that Congress established December 7th as National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day and that legislation requests that the POTUS...
- "...issue each year a proclamation calling on-
the people of the United States to observe National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day with appropriate ceremonies and activities; and- ["]all departments, agencies, and instrumentalities of the United States Government, and interested organizations, groups, and individuals, to fly the flag of the United States at halfstaff each December 7 in honor of the individuals who died as a result of their service at Pearl Harbor.["]
How do you reckon that the "'date that will live in infamy' has largely been forgotten?"
[*=1]The POTUS issued the requested proclamation.
[*=1]Half-staff flag status: In light of George HW Bush's passing, the WH is flying its flag at half-staff for the next ~30 days.
[*=1]I can see the flag at the Capitol is today at half-staff. I don't know whether that status's reason is dual, as it is at the WH, or not. I suppose one will be able to tell by looking tomorrow. If it's still at half-staff, it's dual.
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