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the economy is in shambles, and liberals would prefer that the national dialogue be this?
because this is what matters? or is it that their reelection hinges on us focusing on these tertiary items?
I think the answer is pretty obvious. liberals have no shame. none.
It does not say how the determination is made and I am not sure how it is done.
The right has brought up abortion more than the left. In fact, the GOP made a big deal out of instituting in their platform abortions to not be supported in any case.
the left is bringing it up in an attempt to not focus on economic issues. Do you support this diversion for political reasons, or because the issue needs the national focus?
Of course I don't support it, but when you call out the left as using it as a distraction while the right is doing the same thing is pretty hypocritical don't you think? Do you support the right making a big deal out of it, especially having it put in their platform?
Where is your outrage of the right doing it.
The problem is social conservatism is so rooted in the GOP, it makes it impossible to support them. Obama should be losing by a landslide right now, but instead of focusing on fiscal conservatism the GOP wants to focus on social conservatism.
the right is using abortion as a distraction? how? where?
Exactly. Forcible rape is a legal term. Look it up.
Cases have been publicized where the PP crew used the excuse of rape/incest of a minor (to get gov't funding) yet did not even report the act, much less collect any evidence.
You can not have it both ways, alleging that a crime has occurred yet making no attempt to report/prosecute the crime.
I certainly would not expect only a conviction to count, but certainly enough evidence to prove that a crime has occurred, even if the perp was not known to the victim; obviously DNA evidence exists with any prenancy so that should be collected and checked at a minimum.
Adopting abortion into the platform, Akin comments (he is a righty you know and talked about it), legislation, parrating that all abortions are wrong.
It's hilarious watching the righties give passes to their fellow comrades and then complain about the left.
Pathetic and hypocritical at best.
the right don't put abortion in their platform as a distraction.
the left are pushing this dialogue about forcible rape to distract.
Well maybe the patient didn't WANT to report the act, or maybe there wasn't any evidence. Ever think of that?
Of course you can. No one is on trial if a woman is just seeking an abortion (rather than testifying in court against a rapist), so there can absolutely be situations where no one is prosecuted but a rape still occurred.
Or how about you just leave rape victims alone? What the hell is the point of this exercise anyway? To prove that the woman isn't a dirty slut who *gasp* chose to have sex?
There wouldn't be any dialogue about the issue in the first place if Republicans stopped saying and doing these kinds of things. If they don't want to get called out on it, then they can stop doing it. It's really that simple.
Asking that Romney has to answer for all the things republicans say is an obvious distraction from the issues he does speak on. It really is that simple.
I'm not talking about Romney specifically, I'm talking about the Republican Party in general. If Republicans view this as a "distraction" and want to run on economic issues in future elections, then all they have to do is stop proposing nasty legislation like this, stop making ignorant and misogynistic comments, and generally let it go. The fact that they DON'T do these things indicates that it's NOT merely a distraction, but rather an important belief to their party.
As for Romney specifically, I don't think he believes this "forcible rape" crap, mainly because I don't think he believes anything at all. But he did tell Mike Huckabee last year that he would "absolutely" support a "Personhood Amendment" which would guarantee a right to life from the moment of conception (thereby outlawing all abortion, in vitro fertilization, and some popular forms of contraception). And so it's perfectly legitimate to call him out on that bull****. Again, if he only wanted to run on economic issues and didn't want to get called on this, he shouldn't have done it in the first place.
the right don't put abortion in their platform as a distraction.
the left are pushing this dialogue about forcible rape to distract.
Ryan said rape is rape.
honest people would now let this die a natural death, but not the actual hypocrites and dishonest amongst us. they will continue to hope this distraction takes away focus on things that matter. They will do everything in their power to aid in keeping this distraction in focus.
Forcible rape, as opposed to statutory rape where there was no force.All romney and ryan do is run their mouths and refuse to explain anything they want to do....this has gone way beyond just ridiculous
GOP vice presidential contender Paul Ryan declined to explain what is meant by "forcible rape" in abortion legislation he co-sponsored with embattled Rep. Todd Akin.Ryan, a Wisconsin congressman, and Akin are among the 227 co-sponsors of the "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act," which would prohibit federal funding of abortions except in instances of "an act of forcible rape or, if a minor, an act of incest."
Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language
this thread is about Romney's running mate, not the republican party in general.
It would appear that you stopped reading my post after the first three sentences.
the economy is in shambles, and liberals would prefer that the national dialogue be this?
because this is what matters? or is it that their reelection hinges on us focusing on these tertiary items?
I think the answer is pretty obvious. liberals have no shame. none.
Well maybe the patient didn't WANT to report the act, or maybe there wasn't any evidence. Ever think of that?
Of course you can. No one is on trial if a woman is just seeking an abortion (rather than testifying in court against a rapist), so there can absolutely be situations where no one is prosecuted but a rape still occurred.
Or how about you just leave rape victims alone? What the hell is the point of this exercise anyway? To prove that the woman isn't a dirty slut who *gasp* chose to have sex?
Since 2010, the repubs have spent a LOT of time and effort trying to overturn R v W.
The Rep VP candidate deep up in that mix.
So those of us who are leery of social conservatives and their agendas are eing justly critical of the guy who'll be a heartbeat away from the presidency. (And breaking "ties" as well).
Those are not legal definitions for the US. AS an example, the FBI one is for data collection purposes.
Laws regarding rape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A. Forcible Rape
The carnal knowledge of a person, forcibly and/or against the person’s will; or not forcibly or against
the person’s will where the victim is incapable of giving consent because of his/her temporary or permanent
mental or physical incapacity (or because of his/her youth)
Even for the silly season, this is a bit much.All romney and ryan do is run their mouths and refuse to explain anything they want to do....this has gone way beyond just ridiculous
GOP vice presidential contender Paul Ryan declined to explain what is meant by "forcible rape" in abortion legislation he co-sponsored with embattled Rep. Todd Akin.Ryan, a Wisconsin congressman, and Akin are among the 227 co-sponsors of the "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act," which would prohibit federal funding of abortions except in instances of "an act of forcible rape or, if a minor, an act of incest."
Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language
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