Loxd4
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Patriotism to me is as defined by the writings of Thomas Paine.Originally posted by Loxd4:
In Your Own Word Define “Patriotism”
Definition
Patriotism- pride in or devotion to the country somebody was born in or is a citizen of
Brainwash- to impose a set of usually political or religious beliefs on somebody by the use of various coercive methods of indoctrination, including destruction of the victim’s prior beliefs
Are these word more related then we think? There both devotion to believing something right or wrong? Is patriotism just another from of “Reverse Sociology” A.K.A “Brainwashing.” So if your really think out side the box (Not Saying They Fight A Just Cause Mean The Terrorist) those terrorist of there killing there self over in Iraq are not Brainwash just more patriotic then American because there willing to sacrifice there self just to kill one of us. So are terrorist just being patriotic (In The Wrong Way, Accordion to USA) or just being brainwashed?
ProudAmerican said:Its much easier for me to define what it ISNT than it is for me to define what it is.
That's easy, neocon's!Originally Posted by Loxd4
What isn’t patriotic then?
What did JFK say, "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those that see injustice, but do nothing about it."Originally posted by tecoyah:
A willingness to look at the larger picture of your countrys health....and speak up , or act to fix what ails her. Pride and Love for the society that gives you freedom.
Loxd4 said:What isn’t patriotic then?
Billo_Really said:What did JFK say, "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those that see injustice, but do nothing about it."
You want to call me a skumbag, go ahead, you have my permission to call me anything you want.Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
I have seen this comparison on this very board.....to somehow infer that our troops are using the very same rape rooms and torture chambers that Saddam used for years to harm innocent Iraqi civilians, with no proof whatsoever not only makes someone unpatriotic, I think it makes them a scumbag.
Now let's talk patriotism!Leadership Failure
Firsthand Accounts of Torture of Iraqi Detainees by the U.S. Army’s 82nd Airborne Division
I. Summary
II. Account of Sergeant A, 82nd Airborne Division
III. Account of Sergeant B, 82nd Airborne Division
IV. Account of Officer C, 82nd Airborne Division
On Conditions at FOB Mercury
On Frustration Obtaining a Meaningful Response within the Military Chain of Command
On Policy Confusion within the Ranks on Coercive Interrogation
On the Implications of the Abu Ghraib Abuse Revelations in April 2004
On Failure of the Officer Corps
On the Role of “OGA”
http://hrw.org/reports/2005/us0905/
yeah, cause they're SO much better off now!
There are horrible acts of injustice going on out there EVERYWHERE, and yet we decided to waste our resources on micromanaging such injustices and dedicate everything towards one country that, in comparison to other places in the world, wasn't that bad.
youd never know it by how many liberals are acting on the topic.No one liked Saddam
its only proposterous to those that are doing both!! the bottom line is, MANY liberals would rather support Saddam than Bush.Equating dissent on the war as support for Saddam is quite simply proposterous.
Ive heard this countless times, but no one has ever actually laid out any of those ways with any detail. Its easy to say.....much harder to do. Im constantly amazed at how we should all take the word of internet experts, rather than the actual military planners that carried out this war.There were many ways in which Saddam could've been removed from power that would've saved countless lives and ridiculous amount of money
dont forget congressbut Bush wanted war,
and now over 2,000 of our soldiers are dead, not to mention countless Iraqis.
You want to call me a skumbag, go ahead, you have my permission to call me anything you want.
When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
I didnt ask for permission from anyone.
and nothing you show me will EVER convince me that our soldiers are as bad as Saddam was.
Don't tell me what I think. I'll tell you what I think. Got it. Now post where I said I thought that. You have made up things that I have supposedly said before. Why do you lie?Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
but its nice to know you think they are.
I don't think you have a clue as to what love is.Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
gotta love that liberal support for the troops.
Protect a nation from who? Iraq was not a threat to the US. They did nothing to the US. They had no ability to do anything to the US according to UN inspectors that were in that country observing their capabilties. So protect us from what?Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
a tragic product of protecting a nation.
again I will point out, you have NO CLUE if they were a threat.Protect a nation from who? Iraq was not a threat to the US.
They had no ability to do anything to the US according to UN inspectors that were in that country observing their capabilties. So protect us from what?
If you want to play this game, you have NO CLUE that they were. At least I can prove they weren't.Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
again I will point out, you have NO CLUE if they were a threat.
See the report they asked Condi Rice about, "Bin Laden and al Qaeda determined to attack United States". We knew, yet did nothing about it.Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
was al queda a threat on 9-10?
We knew, that's why Roosevelt provoked them into war.Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
was Japan a threat on 12-6 ?
Moo....Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
again, you can state nonsense untill the cows come home. it wont make it true. its simply your "opinion"
See Condi comments above.Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
what ability did Al Queda have on 9-10? Im willing to bet on 9-10 you would have thought a rag tag group of unorganized thugs with no army had no chance to harm America.
Care to explain. Be specific.Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
you would have been just as wrong about them as you are about Iraq.
PA.....PA.....dammit dude, you fell asleep again! Stop dreaming out loud.Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
but keep giving us your unfounded opinion. its fun stuff.
you cant prove any such thing. you can only provide your opinion. if the fact they didnt attack us is proof they were no threat, then the fact that we havent been attacked again since 9-11 is proof the war on terror is working....which is something im quite sure you would dispute.If you want to play this game, you have NO CLUE that they were. At least I can prove they weren't.
I believe the term you used is "duck and run"See the report they asked Condi Rice about, "Bin Laden and al Qaeda determined to attack United States". We knew, yet did nothing about it.
see aboveWe knew, that's why Roosevelt provoked them into war.
not that it will make a dent but......my obvious meaning is that there is no way we could have ever known FOR SURE WITHOUT A DOUBT that those events would take place, until after they took place. Most people never IMAGINED Al Queda would have the means to do what they did to us. you would have dismissed it just like the government, and most people did as very unlikely.Care to explain. Be specific.
Ill stop responding to these types of replies. keep it on topic if you dont mind.PA.....PA.....dammit dude, you fell asleep again! Stop dreaming out loud.
You can't possibly be an American. Because in this country, a man is innocent until proven guilty. Your finding Iraq guilty and forcing them to prove their innocence. That's ass backwards, Jack!Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
you cant prove any such thing. you can only provide your opinion. if the fact they didnt attack us is proof they were no threat, then the fact that we havent been attacked again since 9-11 is proof the war on terror is working....which is something im quite sure you would dispute.
Your whole thing is a pre-emptive strike. Why would we do a pre-emptive strike unless we had knowledge something was up? That report was just such knowledge, but we didn't attack. Which makes your entire arguement a joke!Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
I believe the term you used is "duck and run"
we didnt KNOW anything untill it happened. we could only SPECULATE. just as we did with regard to Iraq.
Stop stealing my quotes! Make up your own. Your good at that.Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
see above
So your saying there was no justification to attack?Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
not that it will make a dent but......my obvious meaning is that there is no way we could have ever known FOR SURE WITHOUT A DOUBT that those events would take place, until after they took place. Most people never IMAGINED Al Queda would have the means to do what they did to us. you would have dismissed it just like the government, and most people did as very unlikely.
I don't know how many times I've asked this question, but there isn't a single person on this website that has had the balls to answer it. "How is a country that barely has running water and electricity a threat to anyone?"Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
now you want us to all say it was just as unlikely that a dictator with many more means at his disposal was no threat.
you are asking everyone to take YOUR WORD for it and just hope you are right.
You submit sh!t.Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
I submit that if we had waited, and Iraq had found a way to kill innocent Americans, you would have been the first one on the "hang Bush bandwagon" for not stopping it.
I have no clue what your saying here.Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
You know, the same way you condemn him for not stopping 9-11.
I cannot detect any coherency in this statement.Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
people that want it both ways just amuse the hell out of me. if we intervene, we acted to early and they werent a threat. if we do nothing, we are careless and to blame for the resulting American deaths. and all because theres a (R) after a name.
pathetic.
You bring these replies on yourself everytime you try to tell me how I think.Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
Ill stop responding to these types of replies. keep it on topic if you dont mind.
I like you better in the basement where your foul mouth and profanity is both colorful and creative.Originally posted by Galenrox:
What I said was...
Right, cause not only they're more likely to die randomly, but they also now don't have to worry about electricity cause it's gone. SO much better.
sure it was. you just didnt realize it.I'm sure you do, but unfortunately that was not the argument that I gave, so what you said here was completely irrelevent.
"listening" to what people are saying is exactly how i came to that conclusion in the first place.You would if you listened to what people were saying, instead of blanket summaries of the arguments.
The bottom line of what? That's bullshit, pure and utter bullshit, and you know it.
of course. if I had a nickel for everytime i heard that i would be wealthy beyond all imagination.I can't really speak for liberals, considering I'm a libertarian
if that were true, there would be no debate. if you dont prefer saddam , then problem solved. hes not there anymore.and I know there are a few douchebags who'd be dumb enough to say that, but no, just about NO one would prefer life under Saddam than Bush. It's a ridiculous thing to suggest.
we did this.1. Remove Saddam Hussein and the Baath Party from power.
tried for over a decade, with dozens of resolutions and increasing U.N. inspections. in over a decade, it never forced saddam to comply. ever.2. Enforce coercive disarmament.
being done as we speak. elections have been very successful!!!3. Foster a democratic Iraq.
also currently being done. even photos posted by Billo proves that.4. Organize a massive humanitarian effort now for the people of Iraq.
I agree with this, though I am skeptical that any agreement with palestine will ever stop terrorists in that region.5. Recommit to a "Roadmap to Peace" in the Middle East.
I agree completely, and I submit that our actions in Iraq were an extension of this very thing.6. Reinvigorate and sustain the "war against terrorism."
a topic for another thread. though i dissagree with parts of the PA....I feel its an absolute necessity.For one you've got to keep in mind it was the same whacko republicans and spineless democrats that allowed the Patriot Act through.
define imminent threat? was AL Queda an "imminent" threat on 9-10-2001?Also, war was ALWAYS supposed to be the absolute last resort, and considering there were no imminent threats nor absence of potential diplomatic solutions, it clearly was NOT treated as a last option.
the cookie monster.Protecting them from what?
and the opposite would be taking medicine after youve already had a stroke, when for the last 10 years youve had high blood presure.That's like taking a pill for acid reflux that might make your head explode
another unfounded OPINION. fact is, you have no idea how many people died under Saddam. you also have NO IDEA how many have died as a result of our being there.Nowhere near as many people died under Saddam than during the insurgency
that would be true. the one slight problem you have is proving we are making things worse.You're by definition NOT protecting when you're making things worse.
In your opinion.Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
nope. its a fact. who would ever outright admit they are against their own country and for the enemy? of course no one. but their comments and actions show the rest of us all we need to know
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
In your opinion
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
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