JustMyPOV said:After arduous negotiations, the GOP leadership finally backed away from their hard-line stance that the House version of the Patriot Act should simply be passed with very little time to review and debate the new language that came back to the Senate. I commend them for agreeing to the six month extention so that America remains protected and the Senate has adequate time to properly review the new language before agreeing to a permanent extention.
I feel proud to be a Democrat at the moment because our Senators really stood their ground to ensure that the permanent extention is one that has undergone a thorough review from both houses of Congress. It was refreshing to see them not roll over on such an important issue under the immense pressure that was coming from the majority leadership.
I'm also pleased that agreement was reached to remove ANWR drilling language from the military spending bill so that it could move forward. It's good to know that when the chips are down, our elected representatives can work together to get the job done.
What occurred as a result is a fair comprimise and I think both parties deserve to be lauded for moving forward with these issues to the relative satisfaction of everyone involved. :bravo:
Senate Defeats ANWR Drilling, Saves Cuts & Extends the Patriot Act
TimmyBoy said:I hope that damned "Patriot" Act expires and is never passed into law again:
FinnMacCool said:Good. The patriot act is an attack on our civil libertires.
Hoot said:Those in the Senate are trying to distance themselves from the failed and unconstitutional policies of this arrogant administration.
Conflict said:It's about time we got rid of that damn act. It was nothing less than unconstitutional in the first place. Nobody ever heard of terrorism until Bush (Curious George) took office. WHo does the world hate... the American people or the Bush clan?
ashurbanipal said:Conversely, can you show how the Patriot Act might have prevented 9/11, or any of a number of other realistic terrorist scenarios? The fact is, it wouldn't. So why do we need it?
26 X World Champs said:Exactly! The oh so typical scare tactic employed to justify the dismembering ouf our Constitution is a typical Republican tactic. Scare people into allowing their freedoms to be taken away.
jfuh said:I thought you conservatives were all about minimizing big government. What happened to that? So I guess it is when your party is in control then you don't want to minimize government, but want it to push through such a bill as the "Patriot" act that allows for conservatives to control all aspects of our life.
But if you've read JustMyPOV's post, you'd see that he feels "proud to be a Democrat at the moment because our Senators really stood their ground to ensure that the permanent extention is one that has undergone a thorough review from both houses of Congress."curt said:Here's another quote for you cnredd.
The Patriot Act is the conservatives contribution to the nanny state.
JustMyPOV said:After arduous negotiations, the GOP leadership finally backed away from their hard-line stance that the House version of the Patriot Act should simply be passed with very little time to review and debate the new language that came back to the Senate. I commend them for agreeing to the six month extention so that America remains protected and the Senate has adequate time to properly review the new language before agreeing to a permanent extention.
I feel proud to be a Democrat at the moment because our Senators really stood their ground to ensure that the permanent extention is one that has undergone a thorough review from both houses of Congress. It was refreshing to see them not roll over on such an important issue under the immense pressure that was coming from the majority leadership.
I'm also pleased that agreement was reached to remove ANWR drilling language from the military spending bill so that it could move forward. It's good to know that when the chips are down, our elected representatives can work together to get the job done.
What occurred as a result is a fair comprimise and I think both parties deserve to be lauded for moving forward with these issues to the relative satisfaction of everyone involved. :bravo:
Senate Defeats ANWR Drilling, Saves Cuts & Extends the Patriot Act
crasster said:This isn't a Democrat or Republican issue.
This is an American issue.
Patriot Act allows spying on domestic soil on citizens.
It allows secret police, secret military court hearings, and prosecuting anybody under terrorism.
I get so annoyed by people asking "What have you got to hide". My response to these people is "It's not about hiding, it's about not allowing a facist law to be in a free country".
People just don't know how freaking dangerous it is for big brother to be able to spy on the citizens. The act is strictly unconstitutional and violates the 4th and 1st.
In reality, it is more dangerous to us than terrorists. Just ask any former USSR or Iraqi citizen.
cnredd said:Good points...Now all you need to do is get the folks from your side of the aisle to stop crying and we got ourselves a debate...
http://www.debatepolitics.com/showpost.php?p=172530&postcount=1
http://www.debatepolitics.com/showpost.php?p=172797&postcount=2
http://www.debatepolitics.com/showpost.php?p=173078&postcount=5
http://www.debatepolitics.com/showpost.php?p=173307&postcount=8
http://www.debatepolitics.com/showpost.php?p=173712&postcount=31
In response to the above..
http://www.debatepolitics.com/showpost.php?p=173721&postcount=33
http://www.debatepolitics.com/showpost.php?p=174587&postcount=57
Remember...these are not members that would like to revise the PA to where they feel more comfortable with any issues regarding civil liberties...They just want to throw the whole thing out, like the baby with the bathwater, and get rid of ANY and ALL relevant parts of the Act they may actually be beneficial...
You should have a little talk with them...:2wave:
cnredd said:You are insulting those Democrats that agreed upon further review the passage of this extension...and the Democrats on this forum that have agreed with this sentiment...
crasster said:The police state is pretty much here already.
Some good sites to visit about the patriot act are
www.infowars.com
and some videos are on
www.nw0.info
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