Patent Pending: New electric car battery recharges in 240 seconds!

[Smeagol]

You cannot just permanently shelve alternative energy and expect it to catch up on its own. It needs to be out on the market, sometimes with the pump being primed, to get the flow going. Because cars made by Tesla, the Chevy Volt, the Nissan Leaf and others were out on the roads, albeit in limited numbers, market forces have kicked in and yet another exciting battery breakthrough will be on the marker soon.

Exciting discovery for electric car batteries
After years of research, a ground breaking discovery has been made into recharging car batteries in electric cars. A new patent-pending technology, has been developed by Battery Fueling Ltd, and reduces the time at the pump for electric vehicles to an astonishing four minutes.

Exciting discovery for electric car batteries

Defunding anti-Americansm and the terrorism it inspures and also funds, is a way better national security option than war and killing our way out of the war on terror.

 

[CalGun]

I'm all for technology, innovation and 110% energy independence. Lord knows when the world dumps the dollar we won't be able to print up a tank of gas we best have it ourselves. It's sad lots of liberal anti capitals want a companies R&D money to come after taxes are paid and not before.

You cannot just permanently shelve alternative energy and expect it to catch up on its own. It needs to be out on the market, sometimes with the pump being primed, to get the flow going. Because cars made by Tesla, the Chevy Volt, the Nissan Leaf and others were out on the roads, albeit in limited numbers, market forces have kicked in and yet another exciting battery breakthrough will be on the marker soon.

Exciting discovery for electric car batteries
After years of research, a ground breaking discovery has been made into recharging car batteries in electric cars. A new patent-pending technology, has been developed by Battery Fueling Ltd, and reduces the time at the pump for electric vehicles to an astonishing four minutes.

Exciting discovery for electric car batteries

Defunding anti-Americansm and the terrorism it inspures and also funds, is a way better national security option than war and killing our way out of the war on terror.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Interesting, but disturbing.

If I had an electric car, I wouldn't want to swap my known quality batteries for ones of unknown quality.

 

[iguanaman]

You cannot just permanently shelve alternative energy and expect it to catch up on its own. It needs to be out on the market, sometimes with the pump being primed, to get the flow going. Because cars made by Tesla, the Chevy Volt, the Nissan Leaf and others were out on the roads, albeit in limited numbers, market forces have kicked in and yet another exciting battery breakthrough will be on the marker soon.

Exciting discovery for electric car batteries
After years of research, a ground breaking discovery has been made into recharging car batteries in electric cars. A new patent-pending technology, has been developed by Battery Fueling Ltd, and reduces the time at the pump for electric vehicles to an astonishing four minutes.

Exciting discovery for electric car batteries

Defunding anti-Americansm and the terrorism it inspures and also funds, is a way better national security option than war and killing our way out of the war on terror.

It is sort of a kludge I'm afraid as it doesn't recharge your battery it swaps it out for a recharged one. There is better battery tech coming along that will allow real fast recharging.

 

[MoSurveyor]

Interesting, but disturbing.

If I had an electric car, I wouldn't want to swap my known quality batteries for ones of unknown quality.

Do you use propane tanks for grills or campers? You can take a propane tank to one of 2-3 places in town that will refill your tank or you can go down to the local grocery store and swap your empty for a full one. Unless you happen to live near one of the places that refills them, and you have some time to spare, it's usually cheaper to swap at the store and it's certainly faster.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Do you use propane tanks for grills or campers? You can take a propane tank to one of 2-3 places in town that will refill your tank or you can go down to the local grocery store and swap your empty for a full one. Unless you happen to live near one of the places that refills them, and you have some time to spare, it's usually cheaper to swap at the store and it's certainly faster.

Does that apple taste like an orange?

No comparison. Do you know why?

 

[MoSurveyor]

Does that apple taste like an orange?

No comparison. Do you know why?

Propane tanks wear out as well. Safety valves go bad, they get rusted sometimes - but the company that swaps the tanks takes care of that by refurbishing the bad tanks. I would assume the electric fill stations would do the same with the batteries.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Propane tanks wear out as well. Safety valves go bad, they get rusted sometimes - but the company that swaps the tanks takes care of that by refurbishing the bad tanks. I would assume the electric fill stations would do the same with the batteries.

This a very big assumption considering the cost of such. This mean the cost of recharging will likely be more than double to cover such costs.

 

[MoSurveyor]

This a very big assumption considering the cost of such. This mean the cost of recharging will likely be more than double to cover such costs.

I'm sure the cost won't be just the electricity. No way someone can money that way - even if you keep your own batteries.


The exchange for the propane tanks isn't anywhere near that much compared to getting your own tanks filled.

 

[molten_dragon]

It's an interesting idea for sure. I've thought about that a few times myself, whether they might make electric vehicles with several small removable battery packs that could be swapped out for a charged one at a service station rather than waiting for the thing to charge.

There are some major hurdles to get over for it to actually work though. They'd need car manufacturers to get on board with the idea first, since the batteries aren't accessible in most of them, and the cells in those big Li-Ion batteries aren't replaceable. That's also getting into some safety issues, since the electrical systems in most of those cars run at 300V and several amps, and it would all have to be a lot more exposed.

Then there's quality control. Those battery packs can cause major fires if they aren't properly taken care of.

And if the service station actually owns the batteries, then replacing discharged cells with charged ones is going to cost a good bit more than just the electricity to charge them up yourself.

Plus there's the issue of standardization. For this to work, you'd not only need car companies to get on board, but you'd need everyone to use a standardized Li-ion battery cell, or else the service stations would have to be manufacturer specific, which would kind of defeat the purpose.

It's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure how practical it is.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

You cannot just permanently shelve alternative energy and expect it to catch up on its own. It needs to be out on the market, sometimes with the pump being primed, to get the flow going. Because cars made by Tesla, the Chevy Volt, the Nissan Leaf and others were out on the roads, albeit in limited numbers, market forces have kicked in and yet another exciting battery breakthrough will be on the marker soon.

Exciting discovery for electric car batteries
After years of research, a ground breaking discovery has been made into recharging car batteries in electric cars. A new patent-pending technology, has been developed by Battery Fueling Ltd, and reduces the time at the pump for electric vehicles to an astonishing four minutes.

Exciting discovery for electric car batteries

Defunding anti-Americansm and the terrorism it inspures [sic] and also funds, is a way better national security option than war and killing our way out of the war on terror.

I don't see what anyone thinks is patentable here. As others have mentioned, this isn't really recharging at all; it is swapping out discharged batteries for charged ones—something that Mankind has been doing for as long as battery-powered electrical devices have existed.

If the patent on this is approved, are their lawyers going to come after me for violating this patent, every time I dump the used-up batteries out of my flashlight and replace them with a fresh set of batteries?

This isn't to say that it might not be feasible for electric cars to be powered by easily-replaceable batteries. Before we put in the current high-speed chargers where I work, I had to change the battery in my forklift on average about once or twice a day. (The battery weighs more than most cars, and it takes a second forklift to change it out.) In fact, I think this idea could potentially be much more feasible than the use of not-so-easily replaceable batteries that must remain in the car and be charged for many hours before the car may be used again. I have calculated that in order to charge a car battery at a rate that would be comparable to pumping gasoline into a conventional car, would require a power source on the order of a few million watts. I don't know if it is feasible for charging stations to be built with such a capacity, but I very much doubt that we will any time soon see car-scale batteries that can safely be charged at such a rate.

 

[Smeagol]

I don't see what anyone thinks is patentable here. As others have mentioned, this isn't really recharging at all; it is swapping out discharged batteries for charged ones—something that Mankind has been doing for as long as battery-powered electrical devices have existed.

If the patent on this is approved, are their lawyers going to come after me for violating this patent, every time I dump the used-up batteries out of my flashlight and replace them with a fresh set of batteries?

This isn't to say that it might not be feasible for electric cars to be powered by easily-replaceable batteries. Before we put in the current high-speed chargers where I work, I had to change the battery in my forklift on average about once or twice a day. (The battery weighs more than most cars, and it takes a second forklift to change it out.) In fact, I think this idea could potentially be much more feasible than the use of not-so-easily replaceable batteries that must remain in the car and be charged for many hours before the car may be used again. I have calculated that in order to charge a car battery at a rate that would be comparable to pumping gasoline into a conventional car, would require a power source on the order of a few million watts. I don't know if it is feasible for charging stations to be built with such a capacity, but I very much doubt that we will any time soon see car-scale batteries that can safely be charged at such a rate.

Of the new electric car battery breakthroughs I've seen, I like this one the least but the more different offerings we see, means more people are working on ways to improve it. Eventually something huge will be discovered that will get thousands of miles of range and cost pennies in the dollar compared to gasoline cars....I hope! ��

 

[Helix]

it's a good idea at this point in the technology. eventually, it's likely we'll have better battery technology. either way, it's time to throw everything we have at upgrading our grid. ditching gasoline as the predominant transportation fuel is a matter of when, not if. electric is the best transitional candidate.

 

[rhinefire]

We are keeping a close eye on this and if I were you I would pay it no mind if you know what's good for you and your family.


Regards,
Exxon, Chevron, Shell, Texaco, Conoco, Hess and of course BP.
"That's right we don't give a **** about ecology. What are you going to do about it"?!

 

[clownboy]

Propane tanks wear out as well. Safety valves go bad, they get rusted sometimes - but the company that swaps the tanks takes care of that by refurbishing the bad tanks. I would assume the electric fill stations would do the same with the batteries.

Takes less time to fill your propane tanks than a fillup at the pump (regular gas/diesel) and out west here virtually every gas station has a propane filling facility. Propane fueled vehicles have been available for decades now. They run much cleaner all around.

 

[clownboy]

As for the OP: I believe this is the wrong way to go. IF it works this is what people will settle on and interia will stall us, especially once the infrastructure is in place.

Look, develop the end tech now and set the infrastructure for that. Storage tech is and always has been the main hurdle - until that is developed sufficiently electric vehicles are not ready for prime time.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Takes less time to fill your propane tanks than a fillup at the pump (regular gas/diesel) and out west here virtually every gas station has a propane filling facility. Propane fueled vehicles have been available for decades now. They run much cleaner all around.

In fact, propane is a popular fuel for forklifts; specifically because it burns cleanly enough that a propane-powered forklift can be safely operated indoors, where it would be dangerous to operate something powered by gasoline or diesel due to the exhaust.

 

[longview]

Many years ago, they sold car batteries dry, with the acid in a separate container.
I did not work in the auto department, but was told the dry battery
had a much longer shelve life.
So when we get down to it a lead acid battery is a fuel cell with acid as the fuel.
Batteries are chemical devices, they store energy in a reversible chemical cycle.
We cannot actually store electrons, but we can convert them to something that
car recreate them later.
What about the idea of the powered interstate?
Electric and hybrid vehicles would have a power antenna that could adjust
to power grid in special interstate lanes.
As long as the car/truck traveled in the special lane, it draws power from the grid,
and could be metered to your home account.
A vehicle would only need enough capacity to get to one of the active roads.
The road power also charges the on board battery, so vehicles leave the road
at full charge.

 

[Oftencold]

You cannot just permanently shelve alternative energy and expect it to catch up on its own. It needs to be out on the market, sometimes with the pump being primed, to get the flow going. Because cars made by Tesla, the Chevy Volt, the Nissan Leaf and others were out on the roads, albeit in limited numbers, market forces have kicked in and yet another exciting battery breakthrough will be on the marker soon.

Exciting discovery for electric car batteries
After years of research, a ground breaking discovery has been made into recharging car batteries in electric cars. A new patent-pending technology, has been developed by Battery Fueling Ltd, and reduces the time at the pump for electric vehicles to an astonishing four minutes.

Exciting discovery for electric car batteries

Defunding anti-Americansm and the terrorism it inspures and also funds, is a way better national security option than war and killing our way out of the war on terror.

All you'll need is your own multi-ton generator for charging at home. Conservation of Energy being a really nasty thing and all.

You can fill your pool in a few seconds too, if you can just divert a river for that purpose. Otherwise , you have to fill it at the rate that the pipes available to you will allow.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Many years ago, they sold car batteries dry, with the acid in a separate container.
I did not work in the auto department, but was told the dry battery
had a much longer shelve life.
So when we get down to it a lead acid battery is a fuel cell with acid as the fuel.

This isn't entirely accurate. If it were, then you could “recharge” a battery very quickly by draining the “used” acid and replacing it with fresh acid.

It's actually the corrosion of metal plates by the acid that releases the energy. The corrosion process is reversed when the battery is recharged.

To “recharge” a battery by replacing parts thereof, you'd have to not only replace the acid, but the metal plates as well. At this point, you're getting into a process that would be so complex as to offer no advantage over simply replacing the entire battery as one unit.

 

[longview]

This isn't entirely accurate. If it were, then you could “recharge” a battery very quickly by draining the “used” acid and replacing it with fresh acid.

It's actually the corrosion of metal plates by the acid that releases the energy. The corrosion process is reversed when the battery is recharged.

To “recharge” a battery by replacing parts thereof, you'd have to not only replace the acid, but the metal plates as well. At this point, you're getting into a process that would be so complex as to offer no advantage over simply replacing the entire battery as one unit.

I know, I was making a rough comparison, trying to explain how chemicals are used to store electrons.

 

[marduc]

I have wondering for a while why instead of dealing with the shortcomings of long recharge times for batteries that they did not delve into some sort of quick and easy battery exchange protocol for electric cars. It just seems like it is the simple solution for an unnecessary problem. Of course this would mean that all the manufacturers would ideally get on board with some universal battery cell technology, and not bury the power supply in some obscure hard to reach location. This is not really so far fetched is it though? I mean we have managed to get everyone on board with USB peripherals for computers, why can't there be a universal fuel cell for cars?

Am i missing something, why is it that they cannot do something that simple to overcome the glaring shortcomings of their product? I should have gave Elon Musk a call years ago and got this ball rolling. Dammit, there went my future life as a billionaire out the window.