Mikeyy
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Then clearly you didn't read further along in the thread where I posted this:
many are not simply saying he is wrong, many, even yourself, have claimed he had no such right, and that he was partially responsible for the murder
You had better reread There is nothing like that there. It has never happened. I can't even say nice try because it wasn't even a nice try.
Did you read what I said. They were not equal. So what? They were both wrong. They were both bad. They don't have to be equal. Jones shouldn't get off because the reaction was worse. He was told his antics could put our people in danger. Like shouting fire in a theater. But it's like some here are going out of their way to give that fruitloop a pass.
I don't know why this is confusing except that some want to make it that way. Very simply. The killings were wrong and the burning of the book is no excuse. OK? That said. Jones is also wrong. And those who instead of being willing to say so and point to his rights over and over are obviscating for some other reason in my view. It's not that hard to simply say Jones was wrong. It doesn't to be balanced against the over the top reaction. It can just be called wrong on it's own. It's that simple.
I never said he had no right. Now for the thousanth time. Where do you keep getting this. Are you stuck on one view and unable to read. I never said he had no right
You are still blaming the pastor. If you insist on doing that, we will just have to agree to disagree.
This whole thread has been about many placing the blame on him by saying things similar to "yea sure they killed people BUT the pastor caused them to do so.
Why do you keep posting posts that don't make your case. Instead of this why not just post what I said
This wasn't a panic situation. He didn't incite a riot.
Ok, tell me, what made what Jones did so wrong?
No, it is not. It enshrines the same instinct, to censor free expression.I knew you were going to use that quote. Book burning by government authority figures is different than private citizens doing it as a form of protest.
Only amongst those who believe that limiting free speech is a legitimate aim of protest.In a sense, burning things with the intent of being offensive, is the epitome of free speech in the US.
I did post what you stated. Infact, that's a link to the post where I quote you
I did post what you stated. Infact, that's a link to the post where I quote you
Yes, many liberals would say that by the time 12 killings per abortion were reached.Serously I wonder what the reaction would be if everytime an abortion was commited, pro-lifers would go out and kill 12 women. Would liberals say, well, people shouldn't get abortions because they know it will piss people off.
Actually, that's exactly what he did. Moreover, the riot was totally predictable.
You are still blaming the pastor. If you insist on doing that, we will just have to agree to disagree.
This whole thread has been about many placing the blame on him by saying things similar to "yea sure they killed people BUT the pastor caused them to do so.
You have never seen a quote where I said he didn't have the right. You are delusional is all I can figure out. It's obviously not my view so why would I say it?
Yes, many liberals would say that by the time 12 killings per abortion were reached.
Oh my, they have already started!
They were not mere pawns or marionettes. They were not hapless defenders of their lives or their religion. Mr. Jones was a fool, but not the dangerous and bloody one, nor was he the one who told them to attack people and to murder them. Mr. Jones is the man that deserves a quick comment and then to be forgotten, while the men that so unjustifiably kill deserve the world's condemnation and be held as examples of men who violate God with unbelievable force.
again ""I think that in the end if you don/t like Muslims your argument is Jones has the right.""
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...an-demands-retribution-18.html#post1059387796
Why do you guys go to the extreme when discussing this in order to avoid condemning Jones? Nobody says what the Afghans did was right. That has nothing to do with being also able to say Jones was wrong. Jones was wrong for many reasons.
I agree that those who committed murder should be condemned. No doubt about it! But Pastor Jones isn't innocent in this. In my book, he's just as guilty because his actions led to the violence. Anyone who can't see this is just being foolish.
then your standard of "inciting a riot" is speech that others strongly disagree with . And the idiocy of such doesn't need explaining ,
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