Exposure of things like this will hopefully help the less extreme conservatives from seeing the absurdity of the more extreme, hackish members of their political persuasion.
Please explain extreme to me as it involves this topic.
Then please tell me some things in general that make conservatism extreme.
People keep throwing that word around and I don't know what they are talking about.
That's IF I took your fries. I don''t take fries. You may just be assuming that I am, so your assault would be without provocation.
Btw... why fries? How about turkey since it IS Thanksgiving. :2razz:
Holy crap. :shock:
The fact that even ONE person thanked this post is disturbing.
Weird how the "stay out of my body" people are all for the government telling them what to put IN their body.
Weird how the "stay out of my body" people are all for the government telling them what to put IN their body.
Granny #1 is 200 pounds over weight, smokes unfiltered Lucky Strikes at the rate of a pack a day, buys 2 cases of beer every week, and goes to the smorgasbord once a week for "all you can eat fried food fiesta".
Granny #2 is normal weight for her age, never smoked, doesn't drink, and eats a reasonable diet.
They both need a heart transplant or they die within the next 6 weeks. They are both a match for the heart that just came into the system.
Who gets it? I think the doctors will decide, and will pick Granny $2. See, we alrealdy have death panels.....real ones, not this fiction that Princess Palin talks about, but a real panel of real doctors...
Here are my thoughts on the topic:
People are fat because they CHOOSE to be. Everyone knows that broccoli is good for you and Cheetos aren't. We don't need to be educated on healthy choices. It's common sense.
It's not the federal government's job to say "Hey, you really should eat healthy and exercise for the betterment of yourself." NAAAAHHH, REALLY? Gee, I wouldn't have known that if some beaurocrat hadn't told me. Spending millions and billions of dollars on programs to ENCOURAGE eating healthy is a waste of money, IMHO. People are already aware of what is healthy and what isn't. It's a matter of CHOICE.
Now then, I do agree that schools should serve healthy food. There doesn't need to be soda machines or vending machines of any kind at school. The school lunch should be healthy and not loaded with carbs like most school lunches I've seen are. However, I'll give you a dollar if you can get more then 10% of third graders to eat their peas on their tray.
I'm also a HUGE advocate for health education in schools: weighing in, physical tests, P.E. structured more toward fitness than playing games, etc.
A lot of preprocessed food is widely known as being unhealthy and fattening.. even baby formula is well known to be less beneficial to a baby, but it's a million dollar industry. We live in society of consumption and convenience, so when a female doesn't learn how to breast feed quickly, she just goes to formula.... even if she is poor, she'll move to formula and get it via WIC. That sort of laziness has become acceptable today.
It's easier to be unhealthy and convenient than it is to LEARN how to be independent.. how to make your own food, grow your own vegetables, be an economic independent entity and feeding yourself while you are rich or poor
I am not saying this is deserving of government punishment, but I believe self sufficiency and independence are a major part of our founding principle values. If people learned how to grow their own food and feed themselves independently again, I think the poor would be less likely to starve without assistance and WIC would be less of an occurrence.
It really seems like common sense to me..
I thought it was weird too.. but the contradiction on your side is also noted..
It isn't any more absurd than trying to spread democracy in the middle east with military force..
Here's some of the stuff that the CDC already collects about us. The CDC is a very powerful tool for protecting our country.I was responding to this
In addition, the plan features Fat Panels who will decide if Granny is thin enough to live.
I don't want the GOVERNMENT to be concerned with what my BMI index is from year to year.
It's not their job. It's between me and my doctor.
Who knows if few years down the road if monkeys will fly out of my butt?Who knows if a few yrs down the road when HC is rationed, granny will be refused treatment because of her BMI?
There is no contradiction on my side. In the case of abortion, there is another human body to take into account. That human should have the very same rights as I do to my own body.
Now it's only "a bit overzealous"? What happened to "take over and make decisions for us"? And the govt deciding what we eat?I personally think Mrs. Obama is a bit over zealous in try to get people to eat healthier. Palin agrees.
It's still a health decision that you should trust individuals and doctors to make without government intervention... women are not children and don't need to be protected from their decisions
I personally think Mrs. Obama is a bit over zealous in try to get people to eat healthier. Palin agrees.here's the down low of how the govt is going to force this down our thraots and make decisions for us:
from http://www.letsmove.gov/pdf/TaskForc...FullReport.pdf
Summary of Recommendations cont
Recommendation 5.1: Developers of local school wellness policies should be encouraged to include strong physical activity components, on par with nutrition components.
Recommendation 5.2: The President’s Challenge should be updated to ensure consistency with the Physical Activity Guidelines for Americans and to ensure ease of use and implementation by schools. Private sector partners with an interest in physical activity should help enroll children in the Presidential Active Lifestyle Award program
Recommendation 5.3: State and local educational agencies should be encouraged to increase the quality and frequency of sequential, age- and developmentally- appropriate physical education for all students, taught by certified PE teachers
Recommendation 5.4: State and local educational agencies should be encouraged to promote recess for elementary students and physical activity breaks for older students, and provide support to schools to implement recess in a healthy way that promotes physical activity and social skill development.
Recommendation 5.5: State and local educational agencies should be encouraged to provide opportunities in and outside of school for students at increased risk for physical inactivity, including children with disabilities, children with asthma and other chronic diseases, and girls
Recommendation 5.6: Federal, state, and local educational agencies, in partnership with communities and businesses, should work to support programs to extend the school day, including afterschool programs, which offer and enhance physical activity opportunities in their programs
Recommendation 5.7: State and local educational agencies should be encouraged to support interscholastic sports and help decrease prohibitive costs of sports by curbing practices such as “pay-to-play,” working with other public and private sector partners.
Recommendation 5.8: Reauthorize a Surface Transportation Act that enhances livability and physical activity.
Recommendation 5.9: The Environmental Protection Agency should assist school districts that may be interested in siting guidelines for new schools that consider the promotion of physical activity, including whether students will be able to walk or bike to school
Recommendation 5.10: Communities should be encouraged to consider the impacts of built environment policies and regulations on human health.
Recommendation 5.11: The Federal Safe Routes to School Program (SRTS) should be continued and enhanced to accommodate the growing interest in implementing Safe Routes to Schools plans in communities.
Recommendation 5.12: “Active transport” should be encouraged between homes, schools, and community destinations for afterschool activities, including to and from parks, libraries, transit, bus stops, and recreation centers.
Recommendation 5.13: Increase the number of safe and accessible parks and playgrounds, particularly in underserved and low-income communities
Recommendation 5.14: The Federal government should continue to support investments in a wide range of outdoor recreation venues, such as National Parks, Forests, Refuges and other public lands, and expand opportunities for children to enjoy these venues.
Recommendation 5.15: Local governments should be encouraged to enter into joint use agreements to increase children’s access to community sites for indoor and outdoor recreation
Recommendation 5.16: The business sector should be encouraged to consider which resources and physical assets like fields and gyms can be used to increase students’ access to outdoor and indoor recreational venues
Recommendation 5.17: Entertainment and technology companies should continue to develop new approaches for using technology to engage children in physical activity
And the beat goes on...
Anybody who wants the govt completely out of our eating habits should read "The Jungle", by Upton Sinclair....
Turkey's healthy. I'll be having some in a while. I chose fries because they are full of grease, very fattening and something I thought libs would love to ban if they only had the power to.:lol:
Here's a secret that you may not know. Liberals like frech fries, too.
That's an overgeneralization. The thought that the rich should support ALL the poor is just as absurd as suggesting that each of us has ZERO responsibility to our the society in which we live.
Weird how the "stay out of my body" people are all for the government telling them what to put IN their body.
I do not remember any big conservative outburst when JFK did that.
There is a large, significant, unsubtle difference between saying "you will be healthier if you eat this way" and "you have to eat this way". What is being proposed is the first, what you are claiming is the second.
Anybody who wants the govt completely out of our eating habits should read "The Jungle", by Upton Sinclair....
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