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Palin "going rogue"

Iriemon said:
I'm not sure that the Iraq war is as big a factor as you state. Because the level of violence has subsided, the Iraq war has not been as major a factor as it might have been otherwise. Though I do agree that the fact that many or most view this war as a mistake has been a factor.

The economic meltdown has probably been a bigger factor. A poor economy usually spells doom for the incumbent party. The Bush administration took a Government with a surplus budget, and slashed taxes with the promise that would make the economy grow stronger. Instead we have $4 1/2 trillion more debt and the economy stinks. That has probably been a bigger factor.
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You make some good points that I did not consider. But, what are your thoughts in that if we'd of not went to Iraq that we'd not be in some of this economical mess because of the Gov't deficit spending to support the war? Also, would you agree that that even though a lot has to do with the housing market, some of the plunges in the stock market are due to a lack of confidence (sic) in the gov't, due to the leadership issues and the election?
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Isn't her makeup artist the highest paid campaign worker this month?
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Palin's stylist draws higher pay than policy adviser
An acclaimed celebrity makeup artist for Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin collected more money from John McCain's campaign than his foreign policy adviser.

Amy Strozzi, who works on the reality show ''So You Think You Can Dance'' and has been Palin's traveling stylist, was paid $22,800, according to campaign finance reports for the first two weeks in October. In contrast, McCain's foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, was paid $12,500, the report showed.


It explains soooooo much!
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sazerac said:
9/11 was NOT the only time that Bush had high apprpval ratings as was stated. They were also high after the successful invasion of Iraq. In May, 2003, support for the war was 79%.

Why are you trying to deceive us?
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What is it with you? This is what you wrote:
Originally Posted by sazerac
The successful invasion of Iraq caused his highest ratings.
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Now you have the gall to write what you just posted? Who exactly do you think you're fooling other than yourself?

You also completely ignore that the ONLY reason AHOLE BUSH's rating was in the high 70s then was that he manipulated all of us which means he manipulated his rating too.

Only the most inept Republican loyalists today even attempt to defend Bush because he has no defense.
 
shuamort said:

Palin's stylist draws higher pay than policy adviser
An acclaimed celebrity makeup artist for Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin collected more money from John McCain's campaign than his foreign policy adviser.

Amy Strozzi, who works on the reality show ''So You Think You Can Dance'' and has been Palin's traveling stylist, was paid $22,800, according to campaign finance reports for the first two weeks in October. In contrast, McCain's foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, was paid $12,500, the report showed.


It explains soooooo much!
:rofl:rofl:rofl
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*withholding any lipstick on pig comments*
 
Zyphlin said:
Are you seriously comparing CNN, a news org that while arguably is left leaning is light at the least....to moveon.org, a website that is extremely slanted to the left that has no reason at all to attempt to remain even a bit unbiased and is not an actual news source?
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Yes, you better believe I am doing that.......Next to MSNBC CNN is the most bias cable network in existence and they make no bones about it...........
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Stop it, NP. No one is afraid of Palin. She is one of the reasons that Obama will, probably, be the next President. After her initial "bump" she has caused all sorts of problems for the McCain ticket. The more I watch and listen, the more I am reminded of Geraldine Ferraro in '84. Palin's impact has been similar. So has been her baggage.

I do, however, think it was unprofessional for the McCain aids to go public. She is part of their team, and publicly, they should show no dissention. Doing so, hurts the team and campaign, further. The should be chastized for this.
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CC that is your opinion and you know what they are like........If she is not a factor how do do you explain the huge enthusiastic crowds that follow her..........It is amazing........I don't think I have seen anything like it since JFK was running........I would not under estimate this woman if I were you my friend.........
 
Navy Pride said:
Yes, you better believe I am doing that.......Next to MSNBC CNN is the most bias cable network in existence and they make no bones about it...........
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There's something incredibly ironic about you of all people accusing anyone of being biased.
 
Navy Pride said:
CC that is your opinion and you know what they are like........If she is not a factor how do do you explain the huge enthusiastic crowds that follow her..........It is amazing........I don't think I have seen anything like it since JFK was running........I would not under estimate this woman if I were you my friend.........
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Except for Obama... or haven't you heard of those crowds. :roll:
 
Bodhisattva said:
Certainly you are not suggesting that the Bush Administration did not flat out state that Iraq/Saddam were directly involved with Al Quada, and that they hoped that the US public believed them and that through indirect implications hope that the public made assumptions based off of their statements that Iraq/Saddam were involved with terrorism on a large scale and thusly 911?
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Bodhi, could you let me know where you took your mindreading class? I'd love to have that skill. It'd be neat to know exactly what everyones hopes, thoughts, and plans for things would be.

Navy Pride said:
CC that is your opinion and you know what they are like........If she is not a factor how do do you explain the huge enthusiastic crowds that follow her..........It is amazing........I don't think I have seen anything like it since JFK was running........I would not under estimate this woman if I were you my friend.........
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Just like its Your OPINION that "lefties" are afraid pLain.

And if you haven't seen anything like this since JFK that's because you haven't been watching the news or you are too blinded by partisanship of claiming "empty suit" to see that Obama got the same kind of reaction for months now.

Navy Pride said:
Yes, you better believe I am doing that.......Next to MSNBC CNN is the most bias cable network in existence and they make no bones about it...........
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Thanks for kind of showing you don't have any real credibility on this subject Navy. I can't see how anyone objectively looking at CNN can say they're on par with Moveon.org as far as bias goes. I can't see how you can somehow say that CNN is the second most slanted, when Fox obvious has a conservative slant greater than CNN's liberal slant (But less imho than MSNBC's liberal slant). You just want to mouth off stereotypical republican talking points and plug your ears going "nanananana that's just your opinion" when people question the things you try to put out as fact
 
Kayleigh Katz said:
IMO, this self destruction from the McCain camp isn't Palin going rouge, it's advisors blabbing their opinions about it to the press.

Regardless of the veracity of there opinions it's not helpful to the campaign which is where there loyalty should lie at least until it's over and no one has anything to lose. It's insider comments like this that keep $150k wardrobes from being effective.
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How much does Obama's wardrobe cost? Or that tax payer campaign trip to the ME and germany he took?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
How much does Obama's wardrobe cost? Or that tax payer campaign trip to the ME and germany he took?
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Not as much as the Iraq war.

I think Palin has serious credibility issues and at the heart of the matter, I consider her as any other politician. Willing to lie through her teeth to get what she wants. Obama certainly does this too, plus he's Illinois politician so you know he's corrupted to the core. I have no faith in anyone running this go around...puts us in a sad state of affairs. But I don't see Palin as any future savior either. She seems too willing to cast aside all that must to win (in fact, in this regard she reminds me well too much of Obama...also the hype around Palin and people basically considering her a second coming of Jesus), and I just can't trust a political platform from her.
 
Navy Pride said:
CC that is your opinion and you know what they are like........If she is not a factor how do do you explain the huge enthusiastic crowds that follow her..........It is amazing........I don't think I have seen anything like it since JFK was running........I would not under estimate this woman if I were you my friend.........
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Sarah Palin.......she's a star......

"I'm ready for my close-up...."
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Not a McCain supporter, bu when? :roll:
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To be fair, you know that politicians charge us for all sorts of ridiculous stuff. Why I bet dollars to donuts that if we had a detailed, factual list of everything charged to us by the individual politicians that heads would roll...and roll quickly. I shudder to think what they charge us for that they hide away so it can't be found.
 
Slippery Slope said:
Any and every time. If you can't remember the last time McCain went then I suggest you ask Lieberman and light-on-his-toes Graham.

You could ask a Kuwaiti border guard about Palin.
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:lol: links to tax payer funds used for campaign stops.... You know like the one Obama went on then ditched the wounded troops for a German concert?
 
Navy Pride said:
CC that is your opinion and you know what they are like........If she is not a factor how do do you explain the huge enthusiastic crowds that follow her..........It is amazing........I don't think I have seen anything like it since JFK was running........I would not under estimate this woman if I were you my friend.........
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You said the same thing about Fred Thompson.....:doh
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
:lol: links to tax payer funds used for campaign stops.... You know like the one Obama went on then ditched the wounded troops for a German concert?
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So, you acknowledge that McCain and Palin have used taxpayer funds to cruise around the world. Good.

"ditched the wounded troops for a German concert?" Nothing like a good distortion, eh?
 
Navy Pride said:
CC that is your opinion and you know what they are like........If she is not a factor how do do you explain the huge enthusiastic crowds that follow her..........It is amazing........I don't think I have seen anything like it since JFK was running........I would not under estimate this woman if I were you my friend.........
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You can't be serious? Are you really that out of touch? Are you unable to digest that what you're posting is being laughed at by virtually everyone who reads it? Why do you put yourself in the position for people to belittle what you write this way?

Do you have no sense of how ridiculous your posts are?

Show us one current poll that indicates that Palin is helping McCain, just one from the last 2 weeks. Are you ignoring all of the polls that show more women today support Obama than did before Palin was chosen?

It is just too weird that you ignore the truth and make up your own BS...just too weird for me.

You know if you don't like the truth just say that people will at least respect you rather than making **** up and having everyone laugh at your writings.
 
Palin has always resisted any domination by men. We're seeing it with McCain, just like her entire history in politics - whether Republican or Democrat, Big Oil or Party officials. FINALLY a female candidate who will NOT agree to be some subset lesser to men!

Obama is a pig - plain and simple.

Obama paid his female staff nearly $10,000 a year less than male staffers, McCain paid equally.

When asked to name any potential member to his cabinet, he only names men such as Warren Buffet. McCain named the female CEO of Ebay.

Although Hillary had 49+% of the vote, he picked a man with less than 1%.

Experience and qualifications didn't matter to the male super delegates and male Democratic officials
when it was Obama against Hillary, but then became the foremost issue about Palin - whichever works against the female candidate.

African-American men have had the right to vote, full property rights and a legal right to equal pay for decades longer than men. Women have been over 50% of the population the history of this country.

YET the MALE dominated media, MALE dominated press, and MALE dominated Wall Street have declared AGAINST that the United States will only be headed by and controlled both economically and politically by men like it always has been - and pour massive sums of money and extreme media sexist attacks into the general election just as they did against Hillary in the primary.

If the old men that own the media, own the press and own Wall Street get their way - as it appears is so - the outcome of the general election will be the same as it was in the Democratic primary as it has been in very election in this history of this country, the majority - women - lost again.
 
Slippery Slope said:
So, you acknowledge that McCain and Palin have used taxpayer funds to cruise around the world. Good.
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nope, just waiting for you to prove your contention. Talk about distortion! :lol:


"ditched the wounded troops for a German concert?" Nothing like a good distortion, eh?
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How would you charactarize skipping out on wounded troops while overseas on taxpayer dollars? :roll:
 
Slippery Slope said:
How much does McCain's wardrobe cost? Or that tax payer campaign trips to the ME for McCain and Palin??
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While insisting the trip was only personal, Obama - a millionaire - spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of campaign money to fly a private 767 to visit his ill grandmother. No problem him visiting his grandmother. But his spending hundreds of thousands of campaign dollars solely for his personal matters sounds very illegal and certainly worse than Palin - who isn't a millionaire - wearing borrowed clothes.

But this is the media and this country. The rich - such as Obama - are so expected to steal it is just accepted as the way rich should behave. However Palin, who isn't rich, is suppose to follow rules that don't even exist.

On this topic of "Palin Going Rogue," her entire political history she has infuriated men in both politics (mostly Republican men) and Wall Street for her refusing to do and say what men tell her to do and say - therefore men in power hate her. Easy enough to understand their rage at "Palin going rogue" again. Palin always goes rogue.

So called "feminists" - weak men dominated totally by men - continue to agree to men telling them to shut up and just go rant about wanting abortions and let men take care of everything else like men always have. Many Democratic women agree to this self degradation and belittlement as to accept women are a little side special interest group to be placated with the right to abortion (which certainly finanically benefits then those men). But Palin is rogue to that too.

Palin has ALWAYS been a rogue toward men.
 
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