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And what kind of future do they exactly have to look foward to on ghettos built on unviable land?
And what kind of future do they exactly have to look foward to on ghettos built on unviable land?Why? I don't think the Palestinians require that land back to make peace nor should they be trying to get it back now. They have to forget about those past injustices and look to the future.
And what kind of future do they exactly have to look foward to on ghettos built on unviable land?
the Palestinians cannot get it back
I also find this provocative.
Says who? Time will tell...
How are they going to get it back? Short of their Arab neighbours wiping Israel off the map I cannot see how this could be so. That Israel colonises much of the West bank and Gaza while the Palestinians are still pining for the impossible rather than compromising and moving on seems more likely.
It has happened. Are those who are simply the descendants of the perpetrators to be wiped out because the sins of the father's? Israel owns the land now, they cannot easily or justly be moved and the Palestinians do have enough left to set up a viable state if they will compromise and Israel does its bit. Talking about all these past issues will not help though, it will simply embitter sides that have to be brought together.person 1) steals my wallet
person 2) fights back
Person 1) wins, takes more stuff
person 2) continues to struggle unsucesfully
person 1) says lets be friends this is old
person 2) says I want my stuff back
person 1) says no
person 2) says none of it?
person 1) says maybe enough to bus home if ur nice from now on
person 2) says dude. what the ****.
in the long term. Demographics, internal uprising, and Israels concience.
Foreign preasure (never forget, its an aid dependant country) may grow to play a role.
p.s. equal partnership can take MANY forms.
Are those who are simply the descendants of the perpetrators to be wiped out
It would have to be after a decline in the power and influence of the US and would be unlikely to be peaceful.
It was a question. You don't suggest an answer, the only one that is conceivable is the US influence declines and the Arab world is able to defeat Israel which would not be a pretty occasion for the Israeli populace. I did not accuse you of supporting anything, hence the question-mark.Now. And I would ask you kindly to never again acuse me of, or put the words of supporting genocide into my mouth.
Its not outside the bounds of possibility that if they dont come to terms, they could find them selves in an 'uncomfortable position' (up to or including genocide). But I would NEVER advocate this. What inspired you to suggest it?
You however aren't offering viable solutions, in fact it will simply make their plight worse and is in some ways, though not quite, parallel to the extremist positions on the pro-Israeli side. They are unhelpful, they will not help either side to come to anything like a satisfactory state in any time soon.
It was a question.
However the attitude you support is the one that is causing the Palestinians the problems today. One where they will not recongise Israel and pine for the impossible. As long as this goes on, at least for the perceivable future, things will not get better for them, they will continue to be marginalised as terror supporters and dominated by Israel that can somewhat legitimately claim to be defending itself and things will likely get worse for the Palestinians. By recognising Israel and trying to make a viable state in the now occupied territories they take the only realistic option in the next few decades at least and have a chance at living a better, safer, more peaceful and prosperous existence.Contrary to you, I think change will likely come democratically through Israel's political system. And Palestine taking a firm but principled position on this will be key to this in the long term. If they just role over theyll get nothing.
In saying this. I do not advocate agressive violent resistance at this stage. I am from the school of ghandi. There are many ways to fight. And wars a **** one. Active non violent resistance, and patience will be the winner on this one. Coupled with a willingness to endur suffering.
I am offended you would feel the need to ask me if I advocate genocide. Seriously dude..
However the attitude you support is the one that is causing the Palestinians the problems today. One where they will not recongise Israel and pine for the impossible. As long as this goes on, at least for the perceivable future, things will not get better for them, they will continue to be marginalised as terror supporters and dominated by Israel that can somewhat legitimately claim to be defending itself and things will likely get worse for the Palestinians. By recognising Israel and trying to make a viable state in the now occupied territories they take the only realistic option in the next few decades at least and have a chance at living a better, safer, more peaceful and prosperous existence.
It was a rhetorical question obviously. I wasn't giving you a quiz. I was just highlighting what the course of action may well take.
I don't know, but Israeli defense would hold forever. :smoking:How long can Israeli opression hold up?
I don't know, but Israeli defense would hold forever. :smoking:
Interesting television doesn't decide conflicts.I wonder. If wave after wave of people attempted to peacefully reocupy settlements (just sitting in the town center, refusing to leave), under the eyes of international media.
It would certainly make for interesting television.
Interesting television doesn't decide conflicts.
I thought it's quite obvious by now. :2razz:
Gandhi wasn't a Palestinian.news articles worked for ghandi.
Piles of dead unarmed women and babies, without violent reprisals turn hearts and minds.
ANd hearts and minds DO decide conflicts.
Gandhi wasn't a Palestinian.
You can't compare the solution Gandhi had for his conflict with the situation in the Israeli-Palestinians conflict. He belonged to a different conflict and this conflict has different facts in it.and???????
You can't compare the solution Gandhi had for his conflict with the situation in the Israeli-Palestinians conflict. He belonged to a different conflict and this conflict has different facts in it.
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