Palestine Media Watch, A Dubious Source ?

[oneworld2]

Why lie?

You, who created fantasies in regards to the video, are not interested in accuracy.

And what are you babbling about IRT a Freudian slip?

The only lying in posts is to be found in your own.

I asked you to show where that Palestinian woman " excused the murder " of civilians in that video. You couldn't because it didn't happen , Sure you went all around the houses like you had a case in order to make/dupe others in thinking you had a case but that is just how dishonest your posts here are.

You were also asked to show how her words could support the notion that it is okay to kill Israeli civilians because " they are all criminals".......you couldn't prove that either because it didn't happen, so you went around the houses doing the same thing with dishonest postings again.

Both claims were initially made in the OP , from the material supplied by PMW,and both were shown throughout that thread to be misrepresentations of what she had actually said. Despite that you continued to peddle these dishonest misrepresentations as fact and continue to do so here because you cannot accept their debunking.

Everyone who read that transcript agreed that the woman hadn't supported the murders of the people in the video except for you. All the usual suspects who, like yourself, blanket defend virtually every action carried out by or in the service of Israel stayed away from that thread because they too knew the claims were junk and they obviously have that chip that stops them making a series of foolish posts supporting misrepresentations that have already been debunked.

You alone carried that on in post after post because of a contempt for accuracy and truth and a preference to demonize Palestinians at each and every opportunity even if that means spreading known falsehoods. You won't see any references in my posts about The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion because its a hoax but your ongoing repitition of frauds like the interpretations/misrepresentations of that video put your posts into the same catagory as those that cite the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

You crossed the rubicon in that thread and continue to do here and your posts should be seen in that light. The fraudian slip will come and be sure I will see it and highlight it

 

[Fledermaus]

The only lying in posts is to be found in your own.

I asked you to show where that Palestinian woman " excused the murder " of civilians in that video. You couldn't because it didn't happen , Sure you went all around the houses like you had a case in order to make/dupe others in thinking you had a case but that is just how dishonest your posts here are.

You were also asked to show how her words could support the notion that it is okay to kill Israeli civilians because " they are all criminals".......you couldn't prove that either because it didn't happen, so you went around the houses doing the same thing with dishonest postings again.

Both claims were initially made in the OP , from the material supplied by PMW,and both were shown throughout that thread to be misrepresentations of what she had actually said. Despite that you continued to peddle these dishonest misrepresentations as fact and continue to do so here because you cannot accept their debunking.

Everyone who read that transcript agreed that the woman hadn't supported the murders of the people in the video except for you. All the usual suspects who, like yourself, blanket defend virtually every action carried out by or in the service of Israel stayed away from that thread because they too knew the claims were junk and they obviously have that chip that stops them making a series of foolish posts supporting misrepresentations that have already been debunked.

You alone carried that on in post after post because of a contempt for accuracy and truth and a preference to demonize Palestinians at each and every opportunity even if that means spreading known falsehoods. You won't see any references in my posts about The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion because its a hoax but your ongoing repitition of frauds like the interpretations/misrepresentations of that video put your posts into the same catagory as those that cite the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

You crossed the rubicon in that thread and continue to do here and your posts should be seen in that light. The fraudian slip will come and be sure I will see it and highlight it

Face it. Hamas murders innocent civilians as policy. Hamas also excuses this behavior. This time it was on TV. And PMW dares to expose this.

That is what gets your knickers in a knot.

 

[oneworld2]

Face it. Hamas murders innocent civilians as policy. Hamas also excuses this behavior. This time it was on TV. And PMW dares to expose this.


The accurate thing to say would be that PMW fabricated a claim that the TV show dialogue never made and that you decided to post numerous posts peddling that fabrication. You crossed the rubicon and the fact is that it is now an undeniable fact that you are prepared to post known fabrications in service to the cause, the cause being to demonize Palestinians at every opportunity.

One can forgive mistakes in posts because we all make them but repeating known misrepresentations/fabrications to demonize people is a different thing altogether. You had your chance to retract the false claim once it was shown and you opted not to.

 

[Fledermaus]

Hamas regularly excuses the murders of innocent civilians...

The only difference is the mode.

Now it's TV.

 

[oneworld2]

Hamas regularly excuses the murders of innocent civilians...

The only difference is the mode.

Now it's TV.

The accurate thing to say would be that PMW fabricated a claim that the TV show dialogue never made and that you decided to post numerous posts peddling that fabrication. You crossed the rubicon and the fact is that it is now an undeniable fact that you are prepared to post known fabrications in service to the cause, the cause being to demonize Palestinians at every opportunity.

One can forgive mistakes in posts because we all make them but repeating known misrepresentations/fabrications to demonize people is a different thing altogether. You had your chance to retract the false claim once it was shown and you opted not to.

Your ongoing claim about what the TV show " excuses " is based on a fabrication. You know what a fabrication is and yet you still post absurd posts supporting them. Posting fabrications ,knowingly, in order to demonize a targeted group is the bread and butter of the posts found hate sites everywhere.

 

[Fledermaus]

The accurate thing to say would be that PMW fabricated a claim that the TV show dialogue never made and that you decided to post numerous posts peddling that fabrication. You crossed the rubicon and the fact is that it is now an undeniable fact that you are prepared to post known fabrications in service to the cause, the cause being to demonize Palestinians at every opportunity.

One can forgive mistakes in posts because we all make them but repeating known misrepresentations/fabrications to demonize people is a different thing altogether. You had your chance to retract the false claim once it was shown and you opted not to.

Your ongoing claim about what the TV show " excuses " is based on a fabrication. You know what a fabrication is and yet you still post absurd posts supporting them. Posting fabrications ,knowingly, in order to demonize a targeted group is the bread and butter of the posts found hate sites everywhere.

The accurate thing to say is that Hamas targets civilians and uses TV among their tools to excuse their murders.

Their spokesmen have repeated excused their murders but somehow showing it on TV is beyond the pall.

 

[oneworld2]

The accurate thing to say is that Hamas targets civilians and uses TV among their tools to excuse their murders.

Their spokesmen have repeated excused their murders but somehow showing it on TV is beyond the pall.

Many of your posts don't do accurate, and in my time here I have corrected them on many occasions it's ridiculous. IMO your posts reveal only a superficial a depth of knowledge that is built on a desire to demonize people on one side of the conflict only, as this one also does.

You have been asked so many times now to show, in a post referring to the actual dialogue, how that Palestinian womans words in that TV show " excuse " the murder of civilians and have danced around it, brought irrelevances into it,avoided the direct contrast of what is claimed and what was said, that your ongoing posts based on that fabrication have become farcical. They continue to be farcical but have a very very dark side that wishes to deceive the reader.

Your posts refuse to put up but also have no intention of shutting up either and so the dance goes on

 

[Fledermaus]

Many of your posts don't do accurate, and in my time here I have corrected them on many occasions it's ridiculous. IMO your posts reveal only a superficial a depth of knowledge that is built on a desire to demonize people on one side of the conflict only, as this one also does.

You have been asked so many times now to show, in a post referring to the actual dialogue, how that Palestinian womans words in that TV show " excuse " the murder of civilians and have danced around it, brought irrelevances into it,avoided the direct contrast of what is claimed and what was said, that your ongoing posts based on that fabrication have become farcical. They continue to be farcical but have a very very dark side that wishes to deceive the reader.

Your posts refuse to put up but also have no intention of shutting up either and so the dance goes on

Much typing... Little reality.

Asked answered ad nauseum as to the content and intent of the dialog in the TV show... While it was you creating fantasies about what people discussed in the TV show. There is no "dancing around" the dialog on this side. While you were doing the hokey pokey on yours. Who was murdered? Innocent civilians in Tel Aviv. Who did the interrogator ask about? The murdered civilians in Tel Aviv. The response? Excusing murder because they were "criminals".

Hamas and their supporters murder innocent civilians.... Then they excuse it.

That is the modus operandi of Hamas.

In this case they excuse it in a TV show.

 

[oneworld2]

Much typing... Little reality.

Asked answered ad nauseum as to the content and intent of the dialog in the TV show... While it was you creating fantasies about what people discussed in the TV show. There is no "dancing around" the dialog on this side. While you were doing the hokey pokey on yours. Who was murdered? Innocent civilians in Tel Aviv. Who did the interrogator ask about? The murdered civilians in Tel Aviv. The response? Excusing murder because they were "criminals".

Hamas and their supporters murder innocent civilians.... Then they excuse it.

That is the modus operandi of Hamas.

In this case they excuse it in a TV show.

Not much typing , no reality. Seems like your posts are the inferior ones after all. Who knew?

The transcript was given to you. The woman never excused any killing except for the killing of Israeli military personnel, who she referred to as " criminals like you ".

Everyone else sees it, but not you. None, and I mean none , of the usual Israeli lobby touched it with a barge poll. If you were right be sure they would be all over it. The tumbleweed should have told you something. But you were obviously determined to try to dehumanize Palestinians by peddling a fabrication so the truth had to be denied

The transcript was given and here's what someone who read it concluded

The transcript is there for you to read as that video has subtitles
the Palestinian woman is quite clear
she sees the murder of israeli military as a legitimate undertaking
she specifically states that the murder of civilians violates her islamic faith
from that video one should be able to recognize that her stated position is that israeli military are appropriate targets and civilians are not
watch and see for yourself

it appears tRump is not the only political entity out there who routinely fools rubes with misrepresentation

Here's someone else picking you up on another denial post where you ask for me to show where she makes the distinction

He did.

[inserts me showing where she made the ditinction ]

Did you somehow miss those clear and concise statements?

Your posts are dishonest and continue to be dishonest such is your wish to try to demonize Palestinians at every opportunity even if that means repeated citing of known fabrications.

So when I said...............

If you cared about the " suffering Palestinians" you wouldn't spend all your time posting material that enables and ensures that suffering goes on, year in year out.

You wouldn't blame them for everything and anything that has happened in this conflict.

You wouldn't try to defend the crimes that kill and maim them in their tens of thousands, condemn them to homelessness, force them to drink water that is poisonous.

You wouldn't resist and condemn attempts at agreeing a long term ceasefire that would save their lives and suffering .

You wouldn't undermine their credentials as a people by putting " Palestinians" in inverted commas, as you regularly do.

You wouldn't be peddling fabrications aimed at dehumanizing them.

I know exactly what you think about the Palestinians and it isn't the sham position bstated above, in fact, when we look at your posts and commentary, its the complete opposite.

Your words prove me right and show how dishonest your posts are here

 

[Fledermaus]

Not much typing , no reality. Seems like your posts are the inferior ones after all. Who knew?

The transcript was given to you. The woman never excused any killing except for the killing of Israeli military personnel, who she referred to as " criminals like you ".

Everyone else sees it, but not you. None, and I mean none , of the usual Israeli lobby touched it with a barge poll. If you were right be sure they would be all over it. The tumbleweed should have told you something. But you were obviously determined to try to dehumanize Palestinians by peddling a fabrication so the truth had to be denied

The transcript was given and here's what someone who read it concluded

Here's someone else picking you up on another denial post where you ask for me to show where she makes the distinction

Your posts are dishonest and continue to be dishonest such is your wish to try to demonize Palestinians at every opportunity even if that means repeated citing of known fabrications.

So when I said...............

Your words prove me right and show how dishonest your posts are here

It was nice of you to bold the falsehoods...

Who was murdered? Innocent civilians in Tel Aviv.

Who did the interrogator refer to when asking about the intent? The innocent civilians murdered in Tel Aviv.

The female then excused those murders as being justified because innocent civilians were "criminals".

 

[oneworld2]

It was nice of you to bold the falsehoods...

Who was murdered? Innocent civilians in Tel Aviv.

Who did the interrogator refer to when asking about the intent? The innocent civilians murdered in Tel Aviv.

The female then excused those murders as being justified because innocent civilians were "criminals".

I can't believe you cannoit understand simple, and I mean really simple, English. justabubba saw it, Calamity did, I did, none of the Israel lobby here challenged it even though they will have read it, that leaves just you.

ONly you couldn't accept that she made the distinction between who was killed and who were the intended target.

It was spelled out in so many post and every time you were asked to quote her you did the denial thing.

The last line is just a bald faced lie and that's why you havee never quoted her words to justify your fabricated claim.

 

[Fledermaus]

I can't believe you cannoit understand simple, and I mean really simple, English. justabubba saw it, Calamity did, I did, none of the Israel lobby here challenged it even though they will have read it, that leaves just you.

ONly you couldn't accept that she made the distinction between who was killed and who were the intended target.

It was spelled out in so many post and every time you were asked to quote her you did the denial thing.

The last line is just a bald faced lie and that's why you havee never quoted her words to justify your fabricated claim.

Intentional ignorance is all you have to fall back on.....

The innocent civilians murdered in Tel Aviv were clearly and unequivocally who was being discussed.

 

[Fledermaus]

I am interested in accuracy. Your posts show you are not and there's the difference


" Hamas and many other Palestinians" .............. we are getting closer imo one day you will post a fraudian slip and there will be no doubts from then on in.

Caption: Restaurant in Tel Aviv (location)

Visual: A scene is shown of a terror attack at a restaurant in Tel Aviv, in which an armed ‎terrorist is seen shooting at diners.‎ (the murder of innocent civilians)

Woman under investigation: “If you know everything, then what do you want me to ‎say?”‎
Israeli investigator: “No. When it is told by a heroine, the story is better and more ‎beautiful. Are you not a heroine? Didn’t you set out to murder innocents in Tel Aviv?”‎ (Clearly referring to the murder of of innocent civilians in Tel Aviv)
Woman: “We’re not criminals like you and we’re not murderers. Our religion [Islam] ‎forbids us from murdering civilians!”‎ (responding to the question about murdering of innocent civilians in Tel Aviv)
Investigator: “So who did you‎‏ ‏set out‏ ‏to murder?”‎(Clearly referring to the murder of innocent civilians in Tel Aviv)
Woman: “I set out‏ ‏to murder criminals like you!”‎ (Like who? Since the entire discussion to this point was of the innocent civilians in Tel Aviv it must mean Israelis, AKA Jews. IOW Israelis = Criminals))
Investigator: “Murderer!”‎

 

[oneworld2]

Caption: Restaurant in Tel Aviv (location)

Visual: A scene is shown of a terror attack at a restaurant in Tel Aviv, in which an armed ‎terrorist is seen shooting at diners.‎ (the murder of innocent civilians)

Woman under investigation: “If you know everything, then what do you want me to ‎say?”‎
Israeli investigator: “No. When it is told by a heroine, the story is better and more ‎beautiful. Are you not a heroine? Didn’t you set out to murder innocents in Tel Aviv?”‎ (Clearly referring to the murder of of innocent civilians in Tel Aviv)
Woman: “We’re not criminals like you and we’re not murderers. Our religion [Islam] ‎forbids us from murdering civilians!”‎ (responding to the question about murdering of innocent civilians in Tel Aviv)
Investigator: “So who did you‎‏ ‏set out‏ ‏to murder?”‎(Clearly referring to the murder of innocent civilians in Tel Aviv)
Woman: “I set out‏ ‏to murder criminals like you!”‎ (Like who? Since the entire discussion to this point was of the innocent civilians in Tel Aviv it must mean Israelis, AKA Jews. IOW Israelis = Criminals))
Investigator: “Murderer!”‎

All's you are doing in the post above is showing to the world that you don't understand the English language or it is deliberately misrepresenting the obvious interpretation so as to make the racial slur it contains stick.

Didn’t you set out to murder innocents in Tel Aviv?”‎ (Clearly referring to the murder of of innocent civilians in Tel Aviv)

Correct, clearly a reference to civilians murdered BUT her answer is a clear rejection of that assertion. As follows.....

" We’re not criminals like you and we’re not murderers. Our religion [Islam] ‎forbids us from murdering civilians! " That's a NO to people who understand English

That's a rejection of the initial assertion , obviously, and a swipe back at the Israeli military that she defines as " criminals " for murdering Palestinians Not seen in the clip.............. so obviously, people who understand the English language understand the distinction being made.

Thus when the interrogator , understanding both the rejection of their assertion and the counter accusation in the response asks.........

"So who did you set out to murder ?" Obviously he understands that she has rejected his assertiion so asks for clarification with this follow up question

To which she replies " I set out to murder criminals like you ".........once again the distinction is made and the intended target is identified....IE Israeli military personnel....which is also abundantly clear to any that understand the English language.

English is probably/definitely not the Palestinian womans first language and yet she understands how it is used better than you know how to interpret it, obviously.

 

[Fledermaus]

All's you are doing in the post above is showing to the world that you don't understand the English language or it is deliberately misrepresenting the obvious interpretation so as to make the racial slur it contains stick.



Correct, clearly a reference to civilians murdered BUT her answer is a clear rejection of that assertion. As follows.....

" We’re not criminals like you and we’re not murderers. Our religion [Islam] ‎forbids us from murdering civilians! " That's a NO to people who understand English

That's a rejection of the initial assertion , obviously, and a swipe back at the Israeli military that she defines as " criminals " for murdering Palestinians Not seen in the clip.............. so obviously, people who understand the English language understand the distinction being made.

Thus when the interrogator , understanding both the rejection of their assertion and the counter accusation in the response asks.........

"So who did you set out to murder ?" Obviously he understands that she has rejected his assertiion so asks for clarification with this follow up question

To which she replies " I set out to murder criminals like you ".........once again the distinction is made and the intended target is identified....IE Israeli military personnel....which is also abundantly clear to any that understand the English language.

English is probably/definitely not the Palestinian womans first language and yet she understands how it is used better than you know how to interpret it, obviously.

What do oneworld2 and a washing machine have in common?

Spin cycle.

Didn’t you set out to murder innocents in Tel Aviv?”‎

Clearly and unequivocally speaking of the murder of innocent people in Tel Aviv. Past tense. That which already occcured. Tel Aviv. Where the murders occurred. There. Them. Not an attack on military. A Cafe. Not an attack on a police or military unit. A Cafe.

 

[oneworld2]

What do oneworld2 and a washing machine have in common?

Spin cycle.

Didn’t you set out to murder innocents in Tel Aviv?”‎

Clearly and unequivocally speaking of the murder of innocent people in Tel Aviv. Past tense. That which already occcured. Tel Aviv. Where the murders occurred. There. Them. Not an attack on military. A Cafe. Not an attack on a police or military unit. A Cafe.

Your post might infer that English is not your first language after all.

 

[Fledermaus]

Your post might infer that English is not your first language after all.

I understand it enough to understand the intent and content of the video.

 

[oneworld2]

I understand it enough to understand the intent and content of the video.

That' not what the evidence shows.

 

[Fledermaus]

That' not what the evidence shows.

Incorrect... As are most your posts...

Who was murdered in Tel Aviv?

 

[oneworld2]

Incorrect... As are most your posts...

Who was murdered in Tel Aviv?

She states they were not the intended target and that's where your and their fabrication is laid bare.

 

[Fledermaus]

She states they were not the intended target and that's where your and their fabrication is laid bare.

ORLY? Quote her saying "they were not the intended target".

 

[oneworld2]

ORLY? Quote her saying "they were not the intended target".

I don't have to and couldn't do so anyway because she doesn't say it in that way. You know this already and are trying to set a framework where it appears you have a case, you don't and never have from the get go, so........... The onus is on you to quote her saying the civilians were they intended targets...............you made the initial claim remember ?

In fact you have been asked about 10 times already and have failed to supply one

 

[Fledermaus]

She states they were not the intended target and that's where your and their fabrication is laid bare.

States... Not imply, infer or hints... States.

STATE
verb
1. express something definitely or clearly in speech or writing.

Quote her saying "they were not the intended target".

I don't have to and couldn't do so anyway because she doesn't say it in that way. You know this already and are trying to set a framework where it appears you have a case, you don't and never have from the get go, so........... The onus is on you to quote her saying the civilians were they intended targets...............you made the initial claim remember ?

In fact you have been asked about 10 times already and have failed to supply one

You stated that she stated "they were not the intended target".

That is a lie.

Who was murdered in Tel Aviv? Who did the Interrogators ask about?

 

[oneworld2]

States... Not imply, infer or hints... States.

STATE
verb
1. express something definitely or clearly in speech or writing.

Quote her saying "they were not the intended target".

Nope, the onus is on you seeing as you are making the fabricated claim. You made the initial claim so you need to cite her words that support it. No dance around by introducing other information.

Cite her words saying that the civilians were the intended target

You stated that she stated "they were not the intended target".

That is a lie.

Nope that is just your latest misrepresentation posting

here what I stated in reply 39 that spelled it out and showed how there can be no other interpretation of what that woman says

To which she replies " I set out to murder criminals like you ".........once again the distinction is made and the intended target is identified....IE Israeli military personnel....which is also abundantly clear to any that understand the English language.

 

[Fledermaus]

Nope, the onus is on you seeing as you are making the fabricated claim. You made the initial claim so you need to cite her words that support it. No dance around by introducing other information.

Cite her words saying that the civilians were the intended target

Nope that is just your latest misrepresentation posting

here what I stated in reply 39 that spelled it out and showed how there can be no other interpretation of what that woman says

You stated that she stated "they were not the intended target".

That is a lie.

The entire conversation was about the innocent civilians murdered in Tel Aviv. And she responds by excusing the murders because they were "criminals".