akers, do you enjoy emotional outbursts, filled with hyperbole and emotion rhetoric? It would seem that your latest response contains nothing but emotional accusations and has no bearing on any of the actual issues presented.
You say that my post wrt the occupation of a portion of the Middle East by an ethnic European Jewish population committed to a political ideology called Zionism, wherebye the original inhabitants are to be displaced so that henceforth Jews might have their own "state", wherein, by law, they shall always make and sustain their own numerical/political majority, and dominance, at any cost, "has no bearing on any of the actual issues presented" I say that's ridiculous.
So, Israel is ‘evil’ in your opinion, even though it was Hamas abrogated the cease fire and returned the issue to the state of a shooting war.
Yes, Israel is an evil country created out of an evil political ideal that was and is still is sustained solely by violence and terror. You claim Hamas is responsible for the latest round of blood-letting. In fact, even that is not true. More importantly, this is just the latest battle in a long string of battles in a war started by an invading Zionist population. It is the evil of the invasion, and the war it ignited, that started and is responsible for all the evil to follow. Trying to pretend that there was no history to the current carnage and that somehow the victims are responsible for their own suffering is lower than low.
And yes Jakers, once a shooting war starts, your simplest characterization of morality changes markedly. Soldiers do not start wars, they fight them. Soldiers on both sides fight to win, and, quite literally, the fight with their very lives to win. Not unimportantly, soldiers on both sides are using horrific violence to try and kill the other side, and it is the same in any and every war that ever was and will be fought.
Gee, thanks for condescending to tell me what I already know. I guess you missed the part where I said that Zionist ideology was ultimately to blame, or at least, everyone who accepts and supports the Zionist ideology is ultimately, largely to blame for all the evil committed by both sides, but that does not excuse any individual who takes it upon himself to increase that evil by, say, destroying buildings that are known to shelter non-combatants. Or as you guys call them, 'human shields'. When you're not referring to them as 'monkeys', or whatever.
Some salient points you failed to address in your tirade? How is Israel evil for fighting a war they did not start
Salient point #1-- the Zionists did start and have incessantly continued their war of invasion and occupation of a land they have no right to possess, even if they have illegitimately carved a 'state' out of 80% of it, and are actively seeking to annex the remaining 20%.
So let let us hear no more nonsense about how the Zionists did not start the war. They did. And they have restarted it whenever it suited them. As in the current battle in Gaza.
(but doing so well), so bombs are bad, and how is Hamas the good guys for fighting a war they started poorly (so rockets are somehow imbued with morality – they are somehow righteous and their victims are …. Well somehow not dead?)
You choose to believe that Hamas began this latest battle. I see no hard evidence that a/ Israel ever complied with the terms of the ceasefire, meaning that there never was a true cease fire to violate, and b/ everybody with any sense can see that the Zionist politicians in Israel were looking for a way to jack themselves up in the polls, particularly before their buddy Bush and his gang of neo-cons [read, Zionists] were replaced by a less zealous and not quite so totally biased crew under Barack Obama. The only people who can't see through the smoke you guys are blowing are either singularly stupid, utterly uninformed, or totally committed to Zionism and the growth and maintenance of a purely Jewish state [racial purity, and all that] on other people's property.
In your latest spiel, you declare Israel evil and subject to your moral pronunciation of guilt. So what shall we do with your emotionally declarative guilt? Shall we muster and Army and remove the stain of Israel from existence? Shall we kill even more and with equal indiscrimination because you have branded an entire nation as ‘evil doers’?
Are you seriously asking me what I believe the right, just, and moral thing to do would be? Even though you know that those responsible for the evil, from the beginning until now, will never ever do the right and moral thing? Not until everyone, particularly the USA, puts pressure on them [let's try an international embargo, see how they like it, shall we?] to do so, they won't. But, thanks to the political makeup of the USA, that's never going to happen, either. Nothing to do but watch the carnage until the Zionists have killed or driven off the last Palestinian from their homeland.
But still, I'll tell you what the first step should be, anyway, even though I've already told you it a hundred times. Abandon Zionism and consign it to the rubbish heap of very bad political ideas. Since this first step is never going to happen, there's no point in outlining the follow-up.
Main point: If Israel is wrong by launching bombs, then why is Hamas right by launching rockets? Please respond without the word ‘evil,’ and try to base your opinion on facts. What is happening in Palestine is not about you.
What is happening in Palestine is about me, and about every other human being on this planet. In this modern world, there is no tin pot squabble in some foreign land that is none of my concern and everyone else's. We are all involved.
Resistance to an evil aggressor like the Zionist invaders is self-defense, something that all but the most extreme pacifists would consider moral and just. That is why Hamas, or Palestinians generally, do no evil when they fight back with whatever pathetic means are available to them.
Dropping bombs on whomever you please, whenever you please, wherever you please, in order to extort that which you want from the unwilling, is just gangsterism. Worse, since to my knowledge not even Al Capone would kill his enemy's wives and children in order to get what he wanted. Israel kills 'no matter who' as carelessly as if it were swatting flies, and does it nearly as often as the average picnic-goer smacks a bug.
cherokee, enough with the racial slurs. "sand monkeys" is not acceptable.