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More junk science. Those past temperatures can never be validated. The idea that anybody can establish accurate global temperatures 10,000 years ago via proxies( they couldn't even do now---hide the decline) is pie-in-the sky fanatsy Fun to to do, but not real science. Next.
So according to expectations, this is basically a bait & flame thread.Real Climate (you know, the site that actually is run by real climate scientists, as opposed to TV weathermen like others like to cite) has a nice post on the temperature from the holocene.
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I expect the usual knuckle dragger comments and retorts based upon the ravings of TV weathermen, failed English non-scientist Lords, creationist scientists and retired oil company statisticians, but I thought I'd actually post some real climate info given that this section has descended into pseudoscience.
I guess the journal Nature hasnt been told its not real science. You might want to let them know.
Nature jumped the shark a long time ago. Specifically when they hired super triple liberal political advocate Donald Kennedy( disgarced ex-President of Stanford) . Of course I woouldn't expect a warmist acolyte to understand that.
Reading Nature for Climate science is like reading Krugman for economics. You don't know if you are getting Krugman the economist or Krugman the hyper partisan political advocate. In the latter case everything said must be viewed with the utmost skepticism , because it's almost always unreliable ( read: garbage).
Exact same thing with Natur and climate science.
You wouldn't understand.
More junk science. Those past temperatures can never be validated. The idea that anybody can establish accurate global temperatures 10,000 years ago via proxies( they couldn't even do now---hide the decline) is pie-in-the sky fanatsy Fun to to do, but not real science. Next.
So according to expectations, this is basically a bait & flame thread.
So according to expectations, this is basically a bait & flame thread.
What about this medieval warm period that "skeptics" insist was definitely warmer than today?
Ahyup. The key word there would be "models," something Revell knows a lot about, but something with which our "scientists" (er, climatologists) are struggling to come to grips - the very obvious fact that not only does a model model what is or was (never what will be), the model can never be what the real thing is, or do what the real thing does.I think that's all he knows how to do, especially since the graph is inaccurate for past temperatures unless it uses a long term smoothing, and all past models have failed to properly predict future results.
Well I don't know him to be able to say that, but when he opens his thread with, "I expect the usual knuckle dragger comments and retorts..." I feel obliged to articulate more vocally what he could only utter under his breath.What else did you expect from our resident troll
Ahyup. The key word there would be "models," something Revell knows a lot about, but something with which our "scientists" (er, climatologists) are struggling to come to grips - the very obvious fact that not only does a model model what is or was (never what will be), the model can never be what the real thing is, or do what the real thing does.
...which is sort of why we call it a 'model,' because it *isn't* the real thing.
LOL - give me a cyclical, sinusoidal curve; tell me where I am on it and guess what? I can "predict" what will happen next too.The real thing, of course, has shown warming...as was predicted.
I know that I and others have shown you this a least half a dozen times now over the last year but it simply refuses to go in because ultimately you dont really want to know. Nevertheless I thought I'd waste my time with yet another pointless repetition. Needless to say you'll be flogging the same old horse over and over again in a week or so however many times you are shown this but why learn anything when playng to the political gallery at the expense of others is such fun right ?:roll:
CO2 Science
Medieval Warm Period
And I've explained to you the error in timeframe you are making regarding most paleoclimate reconstructions, told you about differing baseline temperatures and timeframes, pointed out that not all of those proxies even place the MWP in the same century, and that no effort has been made by that website to quantify those proxies into a global average.
OK wheres your peer reviewed proof they all got it wrong ?
Real Climate (you know, the site that actually is run by real climate scientists, as opposed to TV weathermen like others like to cite) has a nice post on the temperature from the holocene.
RealClimate: Paleoclimate: The End of the Holocene
It also refers to a nice reconstruction of temperature since the last ice age - 10,000 years before Marcottes analysis begins:
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I expect the usual knuckle dragger comments and retorts based upon the ravings of TV weathermen, failed English non-scientist Lords, creationist scientists and retired oil company statisticians, but I thought I'd actually post some real climate info given that this section has descended into pseudoscience.
Real Climate (you know, the site that actually is run by real climate scientists, as opposed to TV weathermen like others like to cite) has a nice post on the temperature from the holocene.
RealClimate: Paleoclimate: The End of the Holocene
It also refers to a nice reconstruction of temperature since the last ice age - 10,000 years before Marcottes analysis begins:
View attachment 67153732
I expect the usual knuckle dragger comments and retorts based upon the ravings of TV weathermen, failed English non-scientist Lords, creationist scientists and retired oil company statisticians, but I thought I'd actually post some real climate info given that this section has descended into pseudoscience.
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Yes. Very nice graph. A little short to mean much in a rather long history of variability, though. 600.000 years is a bit better, but you should look more at say 20.000.000 or 50.000.000 years time frames. Also it is important to be able to explain what you see. Take the longish data rows and it begins to look as though maybe atmospheric CO2 is not the leading indicator we seem to detect in recent history.
Yes. Very nice graph. A little short to mean much in a rather long history of variability, though. 600.000 years is a bit better, but you should look more at say 20.000.000 or 50.000.000 years time frames. Also it is important to be able to explain what you see. Take the longish data rows and it begins to look as though maybe atmospheric CO2 is not the leading indicator we seem to detect in recent history.
Trouble with long timeframes is that the scale of the last century is shrunk down to an unviewable level. Even the chart shown makes the current temperature trend appear to be a straight vertical line.
Historically it is true that CO2 has lagged behind temperature changes, acting as a feedback rather than the initial forcing.
Not really, at least according to, you know, scientists.
CO2 wasn't a leading indicator in the past because no one was digging up long buried CO2 and releasing it into the atmosphere until recent times.
And the time frame concurs with our crop domestication and civillization.
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