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Pagans are Un-American

Doughgirl said:
You have faith in the way you reason lachean. You can’t prove there was no creator. You have faith in the very statements you make. You have faith in the evidences which you see that there was no creator. I do the same.

Hypocrite.

And he can't prove there was no creator because one can't prove a negative (surely you've heard this before?). But since you can't prove there is even the possibility that there was a creator, using logic and evidence, there is less than no reason to accept your thesis that it is a possibility: reason dictates that we reject it as false. One does not need to prove the antithesis true to make your thesis false; one needs merely to show that your thesis is based on faulty logic or false evidence.

Thanks Coffee, believe m she's heard it before. From me at least 12 times, she is simply incapable of comprehending logic 101.

Doughgirl said:
But you can’t tolerate people who have faith in god. You can’t. You can’t discuss it without demeaning the person you debate by calling names.

Actually you're mistaken. You're the one who name calls, and you're the one incapable of engaging in civil debate without resorting to your condescending sanctimonious bigotry.

doughgirl said:
I will say one thing, you guys are passionate about trying to destroy people of faith and religion. It consumes you. You have no tolerance for anyone else.

How am I trying to destroy people of faith? I have nothing against the people, and I am quite tolerant of their faith, up until they get in my face, and presumptuously give me a morality lecture.

You are the one intolerant of opposing viewpoints on faith. Your whole attitude is very unbecoming of a lady.
 
“I can't get my laundry done in 6 days.…”


But then you aren’t God are you? I wouldn’t think you could compare yourself to someone who is perfect who can do anything.


“Meanwhile, we have thousands of fossils dating millions of years from all corners of the earth. We have scientific labs doing research on a molecular level recreating small points of evolution in addition to observing current changes in both earth structure and life forms. We have paleantology, anthropology, archeology, geology and botany. We have complete and dated skeletal forms of some amazing creatures, unusual plants and even prehumans.”


And none of it can answer the big questions, why we are here and who made us. How did the earth get here? Doesn’t there have to be a beginning? What was the first cause?

“One of the above can be believed only by blind faith. If that gets you through your day, fine. But evolution is a bit more than a 'belief' and more has been proven than disproven; the same cannot be said regarding religious faith.”


Darwin himself said THEORY IS DIFFERENT FROM FACT. He even recognized that for the complexed cosmos… for it to have been created by chance is absurd. Why do you think there are credible scientists who dismissed evolution?



Sir Arthur Keith (physical anthropologist and anatomist 1866-1955) who wrote the forward to Darwins Origin of the Species, 100th anniversary edition said, “Evolution is unproved and unproveable. We believe it only because the alternative is special creation and that is unthinkable.”


CoffeeSaint said, “
Sure. Why would a teacher want to? Teaching religion is not our job.”


Yet you said a few of your students handed in religious themed papers……….

“Here's an interesting little fact for you, too: we also don't teach atheist theories. Or pagan, or Muslim, Hebrew, Buddhist, Hindu, Zoroastrian, or any other religious ideals.”


And the teaching of sex and different lifestyles shouldn’t be taught either, but they are aren't they...



“The government does assist people with schooling: we provide a free 13-year education to all American children.’


Yes, parents get ONE choice……..state funded education where children are taught what the government thinks they should know. It’s a monopoly and they don’t want any competition.


“If you don't like the education we provide, buy your own. If you can't afford it, earn more money. If you can't earn more money, homeschool your kids. If you can't homeschool your kids, shut up: beggars can't be choosers.’


Shut up you say.......:shock: Your so pompous. :rofl You speak for liberals who think anyone who disagrees with them should shut up. Same in education. You ram your slanted left wing ideals down kids throats.

And you hate children.......ha ha


Our universities might be ranked high but our public schools are a disgrace, a mess.

“Its lousy state schools, which finish well down the international rankings, are still uncompetitive and unaccountable.”

http://www.economist.com/theworldin/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?story_id=5134039&d=2006
 
“Nobody's being penalized; everyone gets a free 13-year education.”


Yea even if its substandard. Whoopie


“Do you want the country to go back to being illiterate dirt farmers as long as they go to church on Sunday?”


So everyone was illiterate? I think my parents received a far better education then my children got in public schools. Public schools are not what they once were.

Do you think there should be socialized medicine? Or, do you think people should be able to choose? Dumb question…….of course you’d be for socialized medicine.


“The job of the school is to provide information: condoms, birth control, and STD's and the like are a part of that information. If you don't like it, take your kid out of school. Or just out of the class; it isn't forced on any child over a parent's objections.”


Yes, and not about sex. Sex education should not be taught at school. This is not a basic. It should be, whether or it is or not, taught at home. No teacher should be telling my child how to put on a condom.

My kids are out of college so I don’t have to take them out. But I’ll say this…….had I to do it all over again, no way would I send my kids to public schools. I’d beg, borrow and steal before sending them there.
“If kids have too much sex, blame the parents, not the schools. We don't teach the students morals. That's your job.”


Oh yea right………tell that to Ward Churchhill and others like him.
Of course you think schools are not to blame for everything, you’re a liberal. There is no right or wrong, right?

“I know that my class just finished reading the Crucible, in which the primary conflict is whether it is better to sin and live, or tell the truth and die, and whether you can be a good Christian if you have committed mortal sins in the past, or if that hypocrisy ruins your ability to stand for a moral idea.”


And of course you don’t share your opinions or views with your students, right? By discussing this with them you would be entering into a theological debate of sorts. In order to discuss this you would have to know what a good Christian is. Do you?


“You and I were both educated in American public schools. Are you sure that the schools are the deciding factor that made you and I different?”


I know that when I went to elementary school the basics were taught. We respected authority and our parents respected our teachers and they made us accountable to them. My teachers cared about our learning. Didn’t you say you hated kids and you did it for the money?


“I have never been influenced in any way, shape, or form by the NEA or any other teachers' union in terms of my curriculum. They have no say over me. None.”


So you do not belong to the teachers union?

You do not have to follow your Board of Education or districts core curriculums guidelines? No state guidelines either?

You just walk into your classroom and teach and cover what you think is important? I don't believe it.



“Parents do receive a free education for their kids; if you want something more than that, you need to pay for it -- because getting more than what everyone is entitled to is not a right, it is a privilege.”


If there were not any other options then fine that would be a parents only choice. But there are choices.

If true equity meant the ability for every child to attend good quality schools in their own neighborhoods then fine………but schools vary in different areas and in many cities public schools are substandard. So why should a parent be forced to send their children there? Because its free it good? Our country guarantees to every school age child an equal educational opportunity through our public schools. Do the majority of kids get this? If you say yes, then why are we ranked so low as compared to other countries? We rank towards the bottom.

“but whether or not you are happy with your children's education doesn't mean much more than a fart in the wind, if you'll forgive the vulgarity.”

Of course it doesn’t to you, your receiving a pay check and you don’t have children in the system. You hate children right? You probably could care less if they receive a good education.


The LEFT does not want vouchers because they don’t want to masses going to religious schools.
Our present system locks the majority of children in our present failing schools.

Even public school teachers send their children to private schools.
Teacher knows best - Milwaukee, WI, public school teachers who send their own children to private schools - Back to School: Dumb and Dumber - Cover Story National Review - Find Articles


“Ummm, taking money from people through taxes and handing it out to people who did not earn it so they can send their kids to the school of their choice sounds a lot like, well, socialism to me.”


What do you mean handing it out to people who didn’t earn it? All kids get a free education you said so yourself……..do all these parents work? NO.
But that wouldn’t be bad to you, I get the feeling you are a socialist. Am I right?


“No school teaches pagan studies. We don't teach religion.”

Yea right. You said yourself you have discussions about Christianity. You mean to tell me through your interaction with kids you never let them know your position? You never enter into any religious discussion?

You are talking about religion in a sense and you might just be teaching it through your comments.


“Yet you know enough to be sure what students should be taught in schools? That we should teach abstinence only? That the history we teach now is revisionist and focuses on the wrong ideals? That students are being force-fed liberal ideas in order to make them more compliant to government control? How does that work?”

The basics. And if sex education is taught then the truth should go with it. To avoid pregnancy, to avoid STD’s you don’t have sex.

“Prove to me that there is any chance that the universe was created by an intelligent being. Use logic and evidence, please, so there is no question of your proof being objective. If you can prove that there is a chance of this being true, I'll accept it as possible.”

You try to get out of the question I ask you. Honey, I am not the one who says she has proof……..YOU DO. Ha ha You make the claim, the absolute statement.

I have faith that what I have witnessed in my life, what I feel in my heart to be true….. that there is a creator. I never said anything about proving anything. You say there is no creator….but you can't prove it. You cant, even with all the logic in the world, you can't. You think those that have faith are weak………but you have faith in what you read and observe to be true.


“It isn't true. Why should I (or anyone) lie to make you happy? I am sure, and until you can prove me wrong, I will remain sure.”


What isn’t true, that there is no creator? Again where is your 100% proof? Then please tell me what the first cause was? How did it happen, where and why?

You don’t have to lie……present the facts.

“I don't think you get to say that you are respectful of the feelings of others, nor that you take their feelings into consideration before you use certain phrases that you know will hurt their feelings. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.”

Then give me an example of someone I have called a name that is demeaning.
and dont use pagan.....that is not a demeaning term.

“Again, you are not the person to be lecturing others on respecting alternate views. You are not the person to be criticizing others for name-calling. You are not the person to speak of being hated.”

Again, who have I called anything demeaning, give me an example.
Because I am a Christian I am intolerant. IMO it's those who hate Christians and people of faith that are the intolerant ones.

“And he can't prove there was no creator because one can't prove a negative (surely you've heard this before?). But since you can't prove there is even the possibility that there was a creator, using logic and evidence, there is less than no reason to accept your thesis that it is a possibility: reason dictates that we reject it as false. One does not need to prove the antithesis true to make your thesis false; one needs merely to show that your thesis is based on faulty logic or false evidence.”

Again I am not the one trying to prove anything. You make a statement, there is NO creator. I ask you for 100% proof, evidence, show me what you have?


“Oh, poor little alien blob of slime.”

You’re a pagan, a teacher, you hate kids and you don’t influence them at school……..and I have some swampland in florida…….You don’t call names and demean anyone…….and whose the hypocrite? What a role model you must be for your students........you know the ones you hate. :rofl
 
You’re a pagan, a teacher, you hate kids and you don’t influence them at school……..and I have some swampland in florida…….You don’t call names and demean anyone…….and whose the hypocrite? What a role model you must be for your students........you know the ones you hate. :rofl

And You....call yourself a Christian....I Call Bu11****. If Jesus is indeed watching, he is not smiling in the least.
 
And You....call yourself a Christian....I Call Bu11****. If Jesus is indeed watching, he is not smiling in the least.

THANKS!!!!!!!

I would have thanked you for this post... but this trash topic made its way to the basement where thanking someone isn't allowed...
 
Yea even if its substandard.
What makes it substandard exactly????

You can't nearly tell me its because of sex education and The Theory of Evolution.
C'mon.... tell us how you REALLY feel......


So everyone was illiterate? I think my parents received a far better education then my children got in public schools. Public schools are not what they once were.
So.......... you were alive when your parents were in public schools? What a bunch of retards they must have been to be in their late 20s and still attending public high schools.

Do you think there should be socialized medicine? Or, do you think people should be able to choose? Dumb question…….of course you’d be for socialized medicine.
A. What the **** does this have to do with the topic at hand?
B. What the **** was the point of asking a question and then answering it yourself? Do you like talking to yourself? Are you 10-73? Are you a freakin' LOONEY!


Yes, and not about sex. Sex education should not be taught at school. This is not a basic. It should be, whether or it is or not, taught at home. No teacher should be telling my child how to put on a condom.
because I'd rather he get AIDS and die first!
Wow... thats rough!

My kids are out of college so I don’t have to take them out. But I’ll say this…….had I to do it all over again, no way would I send my kids to public schools. I’d beg, borrow and steal before sending them there.
Steal huh? That is mighty Christian of you. I don't think Jesus is smiling! Nope Nope Nope!.....
But then again.... All you have to do each time you steal something is say, "I'm sorry Jesus, will you forgive me?" and he will automatically forgive you of all your sins....... Right? :rofl



In order to discuss this you would have to know what a good Christian is. Do you?
DO YOU???? (read Doughey's own admission of what type of 10 Commandment's Sin she could commit just to keep her kids out of a "Liberal" public school).







and in many cities public schools are substandard.
And what first-hand experience do you have with this other than reported "test scores".. Hint.... Test scores can suck because nearly all of the children going to said school in said area have parents who could give a **** less about them and don't encourage school work. Teacher's can't FORCE kids to learn. If they don't want to pay attention and do well in school they are not going to apy attention and do well in school.
So why should a parent be forced to send their children there?
Because they have no other option now do they?
Because its free it good? Our country guarantees to every school age child an equal educational opportunity through our public schools. Do the majority of kids get this? If you say yes, then why are we ranked so low as compared to other countries? We rank towards the bottom.
Because a generation of Lazy Video Game playing, Hippidy Hop Listening to, "Thug" wanna-be's are never to blame huh? Oh no! Its the Liberal Schools Fault! Its all the Schools fault!



You hate children right?
He is a Liberal... therefore he Hates children? Where the FAUCK are you getting this ridiculous idea that he hates children? Jesus ****ing Christ woman....... People like you make me what to blow chunks all over my keyboard.


The LEFT does not want vouchers because they don’t want to masses going to religious schools.
Got any evidence to backup your claim that THAT is the SPECIFIC reason why the "LEFT" doesn't want vouchers??????????????????????????????????????????????????
I guess this is about as equal as asking you for evidence of god.

Again, who have I called anything demeaning, give me an example.
Because I am a Christian I am intolerant.
The history of the spread of Christianity proves this statement to be partially true. However, it is not always the case, and varies from Christian to Christian, depending on what type of sick twisted dogma that subscribe to, or if they find the true meaning of Jesus's words.



Again I am not the one trying to prove anything. You make a statement, there is NO creator. I ask you for 100% proof, evidence, show me what you have?
I'm sorry, I would have to go with the lack of evidence in this case. From a scientific standpoint, it is impossible to PROVE the existence of God. However, proving there is no god is as easy as pointing to the lack of evidence FOR god, since there is none.
 
THANKS!!!!!!!

I would have thanked you for this post... but this trash topic made its way to the basement where thanking someone isn't allowed...


***Trash topic?...LOL! I see that this trash topic of a pagan cult hasn't swayed you from jumping all over it down here in the basement. Did I say this already.....LOL!
 
Why do you keep calling that who arent even pagan, when you yourself are a piss-poor excuse for a Christian?
 
***Trash topic?...LOL! I see that this trash topic of a pagan cult hasn't swayed you from jumping all over it down here in the basement. Did I say this already.....LOL!

Hmmmm....I don't know kid....have you ever really said....anything?
 
Why do you keep calling that who arent even pagan, when you yourself are a piss-poor excuse for a Christian?


***I'll have you know that I am the standard bearer for Christianity on this site. Trying to get pagans, atheists, liberals, Commies, Islamic Fascist lovers, devil worshipers, and Clinton supporters to seek a certain understanding as to what it means to be an honest and proud American isn't always an easy task--as you lefties prove with every posting. While you liberals keep hoping for and struggling to seek the demise of America as we know it--I'll keep fighting you idiots at every step.
 
***I'll have you know that I am the standard bearer for Christianity on this site. Trying to get pagans, atheists, liberals, Commies, Islamic Fascist lovers, devil worshipers, and Clinton supporters to seek a certain understanding as to what it means to be an honest and proud American isn't always an easy task--as you lefties prove with every posting. While you liberals keep hoping for and struggling to seek the demise of America as we know it--I'll keep fighting you idiots at every step.

ptsdkid, I've served with Christians. I know Christians. Christians are friends of mine. ptsdkid, you are no Christian.


New poll question: Is ptsdkid a true Christian? I'm willing to put some money on the outcome of this one.
 
Is the racist, intolerant thief a Christian? mahbe.
 
ptsdkid, I've served with Christians. I know Christians. Christians are friends of mine. ptsdkid, you are no Christian.

***This coming from a guy that has donkey's under his name...signifying anti Christian behavior, and a picture of Borat Osama--another anti American Muslim Jihadist?


New poll question: Is ptsdkid a true Christian? I'm willing to put some money on the outcome of this one.

***Anyone that opposes you and your anti Americanism/Christianity has to be considered a Christian.
 
***This coming from a guy that has donkey's under his name...signifying anti Christian behavior, and a picture of Borat Osama--another anti American Muslim Jihadist? Anyone that opposes you and your anti Americanism/Christianity has to be considered a Christian.

Yes, the Democratic Party - which supports social programs that give to the poor, and social & racial equality - is SO anti Christian. :roll:

My picture's of Barack, and if the best you've got is making fun of his name, you're going to have a long eight years under President Obama.

Nice to see you can show your true racism by calling a man who is devoutly Christian a Muslim Jihadist... because of his name? Because of his color? Only ptsdkid knows!

I'm more Christian than you could ever hope to be. Your actions here are the epitome of anti-Americanism.
 
***I'll have you know that I am the standard bearer for Christianity on this site. Trying to get pagans, atheists, liberals, Commies, Islamic Fascist lovers, devil worshipers, and Clinton supporters to seek a certain understanding as to what it means to be an honest and proud American isn't always an easy task--as you lefties prove with every posting. While you liberals keep hoping for and struggling to seek the demise of America as we know it--I'll keep fighting you idiots at every step.

Isn't it remarkable how everytime you open your mouth you prove you're an idiot?

For the last time: Not a lefty, or a liberal, or a democrat for that matter. No wonder you've never offered up any kind of challenge, you never even understand your opponents position. You're a strawman artist, and a pathetic one at that.

Atheism isn't unamerican, Christian bigotry is. You don't know the first thing about patriotism you blind robot.
 
Isn't it remarkable how everytime you open your mouth you prove you're an idiot?

For the last time: Not a lefty, or a liberal, or a democrat for that matter. No wonder you've never offered up any kind of challenge, you never even understand your opponents position. You're a strawman artist, and a pathetic one at that.

Atheism isn't unamerican, Christian bigotry is. You don't know the first thing about patriotism you blind robot.

Isn't it ironic that you claim to be slightly conservative but all you do is attack other conservatives.........Why don't you admit it your really a bleeding heart liberal.........
 
Isn't it ironic that you claim to be slightly conservative but all you do is attack other conservatives.........Why don't you admit it your really a bleeding heart liberal.........

Believe it or not NP the center of the political spectrum is far, far away from you. Lachean is slightly to the right and people like me are dead center. You and ptsdkid are so far off on the right fringe you probably can't see the middle.
 
Isn't it ironic that you claim to be slightly conservative but all you do is attack other conservatives.........Why don't you admit it your really a bleeding heart liberal.........

First of all, even if your claim that all I do is "attack other conservatives" was true, that wouldn't make me a liberal.

Secondly, you're wrong. I attack theocrats who happen to be conservative, and those who often run counter to my libertarian politics, who can be as far right as you, which may make me look left in comparison.

However, I just as often attack socialists, just ask Leftyhenry. Or anyone pro-big govt, or pro-social spending. I don't know where I have ever said anything remotely "bleeding heart." Please quote me, because my position here has been consistently favoring personal accountability.

I'm just not in your camp, and will never be. Too much of a thinker to be a blind follower. Oh, and please learn irony.

If my conservatism is in question: I'm morally opposed to both abortions and force-ably stopping them. I'm opposed to marriage, thus gay marriage as well. I'm an accountant, I don't think I have to mention fiscal conservative or free market capitalist. And I want as little government and taxation as possible. I'm just not a Christian anymore NP. Does that really disqualify me in your eyes?
 
Believe it or not NP the center of the political spectrum is far, far away from you. Lachean is slightly to the right and people like me are dead center. You and ptsdkid are so far off on the right fringe you probably can't see the middle.

And its more where you are right?:rofl
 
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If my conservatism is in question: I'm morally opposed to both abortions and force-ably stopping them. I'm opposed to marriage, thus gay marriage as well. I'm an accountant, I don't think I have to mention fiscal conservative or free market capitalist. And I want as little government and taxation as possible. I'm just not a Christian anymore NP. Does that really disqualify me in your eyes?


***Lot of double talk here. Its pretty hard to consider you a conservative when you say things like Christianity is un-American. Spin that all you like, but you're a liberal hack through and through. You sound a lot like that Credd fella who claimed to be a Republican/Conservative, but took every chance to attack us real Conservatives/Republicans. We call those Lincoln Chaffe types (RINOS)--Republicans in name only. I don't think you even qualify for 'RINO' status, more like a (LISA)--liberal in sheep's attire.
 
***Lot of double talk here. Its pretty hard to consider you a conservative when you say things like Christianity is un-American. Spin that all you like

When did I EVER say that Christianity was unamerican? I said that not being Christian isn't unamerican. What you just did was :spin:

but you're a liberal hack through and through. You sound a lot like that Credd fella who claimed to be a Republican/Conservative, but took every chance to attack us real Conservatives/Republicans. We call those Lincoln Chaffe types (RINOS)--Republicans in name only. I don't think you even qualify for 'RINO' status, more like a (LISA)--liberal in sheep's attire.

How am I a liberal? You have no ****ing clue do you.

I don't claim to be a republican retard. I'm a libertarian, why is that so hard for your little mind to understand? What the hell do I care what a nutjob like you classifies me as. You're a joke on this board. You cant even read my posts, or distinguish my party affiliations.
 
***Lot of double talk here. Its pretty hard to consider you a conservative when you say things like Christianity is un-American. Spin that all you like, but you're a liberal hack through and through. You sound a lot like that Credd fella who claimed to be a Republican/Conservative, but took every chance to attack us real Conservatives/Republicans. We call those Lincoln Chaffe types (RINOS)--Republicans in name only. I don't think you even qualify for 'RINO' status, more like a (LISA)--liberal in sheep's attire.


The Beauty of your stance Kid....and to an extent NP as well, is in the resulting label change you bring about. I for one have completely abandoned my republican roots, and will no longer admit to even the conservative label.....and I have you to thank for that. It seems those who think for themselves are unwelcome in the republican bandwagon, and this is not the party I grew up in. This combined with what YOU term conservative (which runs counter to established criteria), has left many with no alternative but to walk away from the stench ridden room you have filled with the pungent aroma of hate.
If you are the "New Republican".....seriously....you can have it, I prefer to Help my country become stronger, rather than rip it apart.
 
The Beauty of your stance Kid....and to an extent NP as well, is in the resulting label change you bring about. I for one have completely abandoned my republican roots, and will no longer admit to even the conservative label.....and I have you to thank for that. It seems those who think for themselves are unwelcome in the republican bandwagon, and this is not the party I grew up in. This combined with what YOU term conservative (which runs counter to established criteria), has left many with no alternative but to walk away from the stench ridden room you have filled with the pungent aroma of hate.
If you are the "New Republican".....seriously....you can have it, I prefer to Help my country become stronger, rather than rip it apart.

Doesn't look like ptsdKid has gotten here yet. Might as well post for him:

"Tecoyah, anyone who doesn't agree with me is a dirty liberal. You called yourself a republican! More like a RINO! If you don't like MY party, then you can git out!"
 
First of all, even if your claim that all I do is "attack other conservatives" was true, that wouldn't make me a liberal.

Secondly, you're wrong. I attack theocrats who happen to be conservative, and those who often run counter to my libertarian politics, who can be as far right as you, which may make me look left in comparison.

However, I just as often attack socialists, just ask Leftyhenry. Or anyone pro-big govt, or pro-social spending. I don't know where I have ever said anything remotely "bleeding heart." Please quote me, because my position here has been consistently favoring personal accountability.

I'm just not in your camp, and will never be. Too much of a thinker to be a blind follower. Oh, and please learn irony.

If my conservatism is in question: I'm morally opposed to both abortions and force-ably stopping them. I'm opposed to marriage, thus gay marriage as well. I'm an accountant, I don't think I have to mention fiscal conservative or free market capitalist. And I want as little government and taxation as possible. I'm just not a Christian anymore NP. Does that really disqualify me in your eyes?


Real Conservatives have similar values.......Sadly your posts betray you my friend......
 
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