'Paedophilia is natural and normal for males'[W:264]

[Paxaeon]

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"Paedophilic interest is natural and normal for human males,” said the presentation. “At least a sizeable minority of normal males would like to have sex with children … Normal males are aroused by children.”

Some yellowing tract from the Seventies or early Eighties, era of abusive celebrities and the infamous PIE, the Paedophile Information Exchange? No. Anonymous commenters on some underground website? No again.

The statement that paedophilia is “natural and normal” was made not three decades ago but last July. It was made not in private but as one of the central claims of an academic presentation delivered, at the invitation of the organisers, to many of the key experts in the field at a conference held by the University of Cambridge. - 'Paedophilia is natural and normal for males' - Telegraph

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This is just so wrong, on so many levels, it makes me angry. Still, should this subject be part of pro-active academic discourse?

 

[Gathomas88]

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This is just so wrong, on so many levels, it makes me angry. Still, should this subject be part of pro-active academic discourse?

There is a certain subset of our society which views absolutely unfettered "freedom" of conduct without legal, social, or moral judgement as being of paramount importance to human advancement. In pursuit of that agenda, they will not rest until they have undermined or blatantly overturned just about every cultural taboo that it is in their power to do so.

If you are actually surprised by any of the depravity or horrors they advocate, don't be. They will only grow worse with time.

 

[calamity]

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"Normal males are aroused by children.”

Uh, no. I suggest males aroused by children are abnormal.

 

[Gathomas88]

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"....Neocon Hype-Whore maybe but journalist?"

Andrew Gilligan

It is an assertion that has been made in academia and by certain public advocacy groups in the past. That much is true regardless of the article's accuracy.

However, I will grant you that it is suspicious that the article does not provide any sources for it's claims. I also haven't found any reference to the conference on google other than the Telegraph article.

In any case, I'm sure the story will be shortly debunked if it was legitimately fabricated or exaggerated.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

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This is just so wrong, on so many levels, it makes me angry. Still, should this subject be part of pro-active academic discourse?

Not good, but I see no cause to be surprised or shocked by it, given the way our society is increasingly accepting sexual depravity in whatever form it may take. A generation ago, it would have been equally disturbing to see similar defense of homosexuality. A generation from now, with pedophilia being accepted as homosexuality now is, I wonder what will be seen as similarly disturbing.

 

[Rainman05]

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the author of that article is a moron.

Morals and behavior is dependent on society. We here in the west frown upon such things, and hence, they're illegal. For very good reasons. Now the law is stupid, like when you have 18 years old boys sent to prison for having sex with their 17 years old girlfriends. I mean, come on... I know there have been such cases and it's stupid. But where it's clear is where adults have sex with underrage minors, that's where we draw the line for very good reason.

this is in stark contrast to other places like africa and the arab world where child brides and hence, having grown adults have sex with underrage children isn't frowned upon.

 

[Lutherf]

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This is just so wrong, on so many levels, it makes me angry. Still, should this subject be part of pro-active academic discourse?

Maybe this is a dumb question but if homosexuality is normal and natural then why would pedophilia be any different? I mean, seriously, there have been pedophiles forever in every culture and it sure as hell seems they're born that way instead of "turned" and it doesn't seem to be curable so it's not like it's a disease.....right?

Just sayin'.

 

[Paleocon]

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This is the natural result of homosexual perversions being accepted.

 

[RogueWarrior]

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Not good, but I see no cause to be surprised or shocked by it, given the way our society is increasingly accepting sexual depravity in whatever form it may take. A generation ago, it would have been equally disturbing to see similar defense of homosexuality. A generation from now, with pedophilia being accepted as homosexuality now is, I wonder what will be seen as similarly disturbing.

Congratulations!
This thread went 5 whole posts without a reference to homosexuality.
Homosexuality can be between consenting adults. It is none of our business of it is between consenting adults.

Paedophilia, on the other hand, is never between consenting adults. That makes it our business as it is, imho, our job to protect children from the harm others would do to them.

 

[RogueWarrior]

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This is the natural result of homosexual perversions being accepted.

Congratulations!
This thread went 9 posts without linking homosexuality and paedophilia

Really?
So no heterosexual paedophiles out there eh? No such thing as heterosexual perversion, right? Or are heterosexual perversions ok in your book?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

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I don't know that you can really tell any such thing from anyone's appearance, but skimming across the article, this picture jumped out at me, and my gut reaction was to judge the picture on the left to be a picture of a very creepy pervert of some sort.



Taking a more careful look, I see the caption identifies him as “Prof Ken Plummer’ and goes on to state…

Ken Plummer is emeritus professor of sociology at Essex University, where he has an office and teaches courses, the most recent scheduled for last month. “The isolation, secrecy, guilt and anguish of many paedophiles,” he wrote in Perspectives on Paedophilia, “are not intrinsic to the phenomen[on] but are derived from the extreme social repression placed on minorities …

“Paedophiles are told they are the seducers and rapists of children; they know their experiences are often loving and tender ones. They are told that children are pure and innocent, devoid of sexuality; they know both from their own experiences of childhood and from the children they meet that this is not the case.” ​

As I said, I don't know that you can ever really tell just from someone's appearance, but looking at the picture of Mr. Plummer, one isn't surprised to see him defending child molesters, and it would almost be surprising if one could establish that he, himself, was not an active child molester or other serious sex offender.

The other guy, whose picture is here paired with Mr. Plummer's and who does not look nearly so creepy, is, in fact, according to the article, a multiple convicted child sex offender, and also the former head of a pedophile-rights group.

 

[the_recruit]

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Arguments like this completely miss the boat. First of all it's false, but it doesn't even matter that it's false. Even if it were "normal" or "natural" that still wouldn't make it ok. Just because humans have evolved an urge to do something doesn't make it ok.

 

[Paleocon]

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Congratulations!
This thread went 9 posts without linking homosexuality and paedophilia

Really?
So no heterosexual paedophiles out there eh? No such thing as heterosexual perversion, right? Or are heterosexual perversions ok in your book?

It set the stage for the acceptance of perversion.

 

[Redress]

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This is just so wrong, on so many levels, it makes me angry. Still, should this subject be part of pro-active academic discourse?

I am going to guess quotes out of context. Hard to know for sure without having a transcript. Also would like to know more about the event itself. I suspect it is not as your editorial source presents it. PROTIP: never, ever, trust editorials.

 

[Redress]

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Maybe this is a dumb question but if homosexuality is normal and natural then why would pedophilia be any different? I mean, seriously, there have been pedophiles forever in every culture and it sure as hell seems they're born that way instead of "turned" and it doesn't seem to be curable so it's not like it's a disease.....right?

Just sayin'.

You are not going to like this,m but before we can even begin to have this discussion, we need an agreed upon definition of "normal" and "natural".

 

[Redress]

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This is the natural result of homosexual perversions being accepted.

Well, no. Stupid comparisons of two unlike things are stupid.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

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Maybe this is a dumb question but if homosexuality is normal and natural then why would pedophilia be any different? I mean, seriously, there have been pedophiles forever in every culture and it sure as hell seems they're born that way instead of "turned" and it doesn't seem to be curable so it's not like it's a disease.....right?

Just sayin'.

This makes one wonder.

So far as I know, the most generous estimates suggest that as much as 10% of the population may have homosexual inclinations. More realistically, it's probably closer to 1% or 2% or so.

This article claims that “At least a sizeable minority of normal males would like to have sex with children”. “A sizeable minority” is a rather vague estimate; less than half, but certainly more than the 1% or 2% or even 10% that are homosexual.

So,if this article is to be believed, an inclination toward pedophilia is more prevalent than an inclination toward homosexuality.

This is the natural result of homosexual perversions being accepted.

Well, it's the result of the general decay of sexual morality in a society. Homosexuality is one form of immorality that is coming to be accepted, after premarital sex; as a stepping stone toward increasing tolerance of other forms of immorality yet to come. It appears that pedophilia may be one of the next such steps. Really, none of this is about any individual form of immorality, but the bigger picture of overall moral decay.

 

[Gathomas88]

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Congratulations!
This thread went 5 whole posts without a reference to homosexuality.
Homosexuality can be between consenting adults. It is none of our business of it is between consenting adults.

Paedophilia, on the other hand, is never between consenting adults. That makes it our business as it is, imho, our job to protect children from the harm others would do to them.

Arguments like this completely miss the boat. First of all it's false, but it doesn't even matter that it's false. Even if it were "normal" or "natural" that still wouldn't make it ok. Just because humans have evolved an urge to do something doesn't make it ok.

It is worth noting that both of these arguments ultimately rely on subjective value judgments, which - in our present society, anyway - tend to only be valid so long as they have the weight of popular opinion behind them.

There's no guarantee that this will always be the case.

 

[Paleocon]

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This makes one wonder.

So far as I know, the most generous estimates suggest that as much as 10% of the population may have homosexual inclinations. More realistically, it's probably closer to 1% or 2% or so.

This article claims that “At least a sizeable minority of normal males would like to have sex with children”. “A sizeable minority” is a rather vague estimate; less than half, but certainly more than the 1% or 2% or even 10% that are homosexual.

So,if this article is to be believed, an inclination toward pedophilia is more prevalent than an inclination toward homosexuality.





Well, it's the result of the general decay of sexual morality in a society. Homosexuality is one form of immorality that is coming to be accepted, after premarital sex; as a stepping stone toward increasing tolerance of other forms of immorality yet to come. It appears that pedophilia may be one of the next such steps. Really, none of this is about any individual form of immorality, but the bigger picture of overall moral decay.

Oh I agree, the acceptance of contraception and fornication proceeded the acceptance of homosexuality, homosexuality is simply the first sexual immorality to which people are pathologically inclined to be accepted.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

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Arguments like this completely miss the boat. First of all it's false, but it doesn't even matter that it's false. Even if it were "normal" or "natural" that still wouldn't make it ok. Just because humans have evolved an urge to do something doesn't make it ok.

Exactly right.

All of us have inclinations to do things that are wrong. We don't all have the same inclinations, to the same degrees, but ultimately, we're all in the same moral/ethical boat.

Some of us are tempted toward pedophilia.

Others toward homosexuality.

Others toward stealing, or violence or fraud.

All of us bear the responsibility to resist our own temptations. And all of us will, from time to time, fail.

 

[Paxaeon]

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It is an assertion that has been made in academia and by certain public advocacy groups in the past. That much is true regardless of the article's accuracy.
However, I will grant you that it is suspicious that the article does not provide any sources for it's claims. I also haven't found any reference to the conference on google other than the Telegraph article.
In any case, I'm sure the story will be shortly debunked if it was legitimately fabricated or exaggerated.

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Careful. Nowhere in the article does it state or suggest that this conference is being supported or financially sponsored by a bona fide college or university. All it states is that it's being attended by academics and that it is being held at the University of Cambridge.

It is a news item that is being reported as an event. As such, it stands on it's own as legitimate. Certain people argue it should have been more in depth, perhaps, but that's up to the reporting source; Telegraph Media Group Limited. It was not mean as a research paper.

If people wish to know more, they can look and in this case I found more detailed information about this Cambridge Conference: 'Paedophilia is Natural and Normal for Males' but even then, is very short on details. One of the things being discussed is " Hebephilia" as opposed to "pedophilia."....not that it makes a difference to me, it's all sick.
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[the_recruit]

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It is worth noting that both of these arguments ultimately rely on subjective value judgments, and the weight of popular opinion being behind them.

There's no guarantee that this will always be the case.

No, I contend that ****ing children is objectively wrong. Society may not always agree with that, but that would be irrelevant. My view is that the wrongness of it is objective, it's not dependent in any way on how society views it. If society changes in the future to accept that ****ing children is ok, then society would be mistaken.

 

[the_recruit]

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Some of us are tempted toward pedophilia.

Others toward homosexuality.

Others toward stealing, or violence or fraud.

One of these is not like the other...

 

[Paxaeon]

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I am going to guess quotes out of context. Hard to know for sure without having a transcript. Also would like to know more about the event itself. I suspect it is not as your editorial source presents it. PROTIP: never, ever, trust editorials.

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Guess all you want. It's a news report. It it does not contain information you want, write to the newspaper. The headline is misleading I'd say but I just posted it as it was printed.

 

[Gathomas88]

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No, I contend that ****ing children is objectively wrong. Society may not always agree with that, but that would be irrelevant. My view is that the wrongness of it is objective, it's not dependent in any way on how society views it. If society changes in the future to accept that ****ing children is ok, then society would be mistaken.

I don't disagree. However, that's not the way people pushing to see these kinds of behaviors legalized see the matter. They see it simply as an issue of breaking down taboos and raising social awareness.

If they were to ever actually succeed in the goal of enabling the behaviors in question to be viewed as being "socially acceptable" by the general public, our personal beliefs on the issue ultimately wouldn't matter worth a hill of beans.

That's what I was driving at.

In an "objective truth doesn't exist" society, where it is often held that "anything goes," it can be difficult to try and draw any definitive line for acceptable behavior. There simply isn't much of a logical basis for one.