Over 80% of Democrats recognize the flaws in the Electoral College and support abolishing it in favor of a National Popular Vote.

[eohrnberger]

It is not going to happen. Ridding ourselves of the archaic Electoral College will require a Constitutional amendment that will in turn require the approval of small states (by population). The E.C. gives the small states power. They won't relinquish it.

Those small; states represent the rural base of the Republican Party.

Why should they?
If you eliminate the EC, what you end up with is a small sliver of on the coasts and a few internal states here and there, dictating to the rest of the country.
It'd be the Democratic mob, and the US wouldn't a Democratic Republic anymore.

The dense population centers, which are dependent on daily food shipments from the farmlands, free to dictate all the goes on in the farmlands? How long do you think that's going last or stay stable?

But I get it. The left will do anything, nothing is beneath them, to gain political supremacy in all things.
It's the sugar plumbs which circle their heads while they sleep every night.

Meanwhile, the results of some of the idiotic liberal / progressive / Democrat public policies, and their non-reality based results, have thrown the major of Chicago out of office.

 

[Nickyjo]

Why should they?
If you eliminate the EC, what you end up with is a small sliver of on the coasts and a few internal states here and there, dictating to the rest of the country.
It'd be the Democratic mob, and the US wouldn't a Democratic Republic anymore.

The dense population centers, which are dependent on daily food shipments from the farmlands, free to dictate all the goes on in the farmlands? How long do you think that's going last or stay stable?

But I get it. The left will do anything, nothing is beneath them, to gain political supremacy in all things.
It's the sugar plumbs which circle their heads while they sleep every night.

Meanwhile, the results of some of the idiotic liberal / progressive / Democrat public policies, and their non-reality based results, have thrown the major of Chicago out of office.

Phrases like the “Democratic mob,” akin to the “urban hordes” posted elsewhere, expressing the distrust of the “peasants” and what they might want, that is a theme of elites or their defenders that smacks of fascism. Calm down, not talking about Il Duce here, but of the distrust of the great unwashed you express, the notion that the people, such as they are, are dangerous. The words don’t show fear of losing a democratic republic (republic means “concern or entity of the people”) but strike me as longing for an oligarchy where the worthy will run things.

And face facts: EC or no EC, the largely empty spaces that make up so much of the middle of the country have representation and power in the Senate far out of proportion to their population.

 

[eohrnberger]

Phrases like the “Democratic mob,” akin to the “urban hordes”

Actually, no it's not. A pure Democracy is accurately described as 2 wolfs and a sheep discussing what's for lunch. You eliminate the EC, you end up with a pure Democracy, the minority will be metaphorically eaten.

posted elsewhere, expressing the distrust of the “peasants” and what they might want, that is a theme of elites or their defenders that smacks of fascism. Calm down, not talking about Il Duce here, but of the distrust of the great unwashed you express, the notion that the people, such as they are, are dangerous. The words don’t show fear of losing a democratic republic (republic means “concern or entity of the people”) but strike me as longing for an oligarchy where the worthy will run things.

And face facts: EC or no EC, the largely empty spaces that make up so much of the middle of the country have representation and power in the Senate far out of proportion to their population.

'largely empty spaces', i.e. 'flyover country'.

"the middle of the country have representation and power in the Senate far out of proportion to their population"
Except the presidential election, the only election where the EC comes into play.

Quite a nice one-sided present your post was.

 

[Nickyjo]

Actually, no it's not. A pure Democracy is accurately described as 2 wolfs and a sheep discussing what's for lunch. You eliminate the EC, you end up with a pure Democracy, the minority will be metaphorically eaten.

Name a state that has within its legislative structure something akin to the unrepresentative US Senate. The Senate’s was a product of its time, of 13 at tines competitive former colonies trying to work out a compromise in order to create a government. If we were starting over again, no way we would do that.

'largely empty spaces', i.e. 'flyover country'.

Correct. Trees and mountains don’t need votes in Congress. People do. There is a reason that the House of Representatives is referred to as “The People’s House,” because it represents the people. The Senate might as well be called “The Prarie’s House.”

"the middle of the country have representation and power in the Senate far out of proportion to their population"
Except the presidential election, the only election where the EC comes into play.

Not sure I understand. Every bill that is taken up by the Senate is by that very fact voted on by a legislative body that is manifestly undemocratic. Again, explain why the Dakotas and Wyoming (total population less than three million) should have three times the Senators as California (pushing 40 million).

Quite a nice one-sided present your post was.

Less one sided than the Senate.

 

[Razoo]

Name a state that has within its legislative structure something akin to the unrepresentative US Senate. The Senate’s was a product of its time, of 13 at tines competitive former colonies trying to work out a compromise in order to create a government. If we were starting over again, no way we would do that.

Correct. Trees and mountains don’t need votes in Congress. People do. There is a reason that the House of Representatives is referred to as “The People’s House,” because it represents the people. The Senate might as well be called “The Prarie’s House.”

Not sure I understand. Every bill that is taken up by the Senate is by that very fact voted on by a legislative body that is manifestly undemocratic. Again, explain why the Dakotas and Wyoming (total population less than three million) should have three times the Senators as California (pushing 40 million).

Less one sided than the Senate.

applause applause

 

[eohrnberger]

Name a state that has within its legislative structure something akin to the unrepresentative US Senate.

I'm specifically referring to the presidential election. Do please focus.

The Senate’s was a product of its time, of 13 at tines competitive former colonies trying to work out a compromise in order to create a government. If we were starting over again, no way we would do that.

Meh. I rather doubt that, but this hypothetical really doesn't matter. We have what we have, what our found fathers and forefathers have given us.

As an aside comment, I'd like to see that which our found fathers and forefathers have given us be treated allot better than it has been in, oh, the last decade or so, this speaking to the degradation of the public's trust, and rightfully so and well earned, in federal government institutions.

Correct. Trees and mountains don’t need votes in Congress. People do. There is a reason that the House of Representatives is referred to as “The People’s House,” because it represents the people. The Senate might as well be called “The Prarie’s House.”

Not sure I understand. Every bill that is taken up by the Senate is by that very fact voted on by a legislative body that is manifestly undemocratic.

To be very specific, what you claim is that it is very un-Democratic mob, see previous post about what that is, and by stating this, you've clearly demonstrated that you are very much in favor of such a Democratic mob rule, with the implicit assumption that it would be your favored party being that Democratic mob and ruling.

Again, explain why the Dakotas and Wyoming (total population less than three million) should have three times the Senators as California (pushing 40 million).

Again, a support of Democratic mob rule, with the implicit assumption that it would be your favored party being that Democratic mob and ruling.

Less one sided than the Senate.

Your presentation has nothing to do with the Senate against which you chafe, your chafing again a support of Democratic mob rule, with the implicit assumption that it would be your favored party being that Democratic mob and ruling.

Bottom line it sure looks like you are tyrant who wants what you want, and don't care about which US federal government institutions are eliminated to get that absolute political power.

 

[Nickyjo]

I'm specifically referring to the presidential election. Do please focus.

I was making the point that the Senate is, as far as I know, unique among legislative bodies.

Meh. I rather doubt that, but this hypothetical really doesn't matter. We have what we have, what our found fathers and forefathers have given us.

Can’t argue with that. Only analyze it.

As an aside comment, I'd like to see that which our found fathers and forefathers have given us be treated allot better than it has been in, oh, the last decade or so, this speaking to the degradation of the public's trust, and rightfully so and well earned, in federal government institutions.




To be very specific, what you claim is that it is very un-Democratic mob, see previous post about what that is, and by stating this, you've clearly demonstrated that you are very much in favor of such a Democratic mob rule, with the implicit assumption that it would be your favored party being that Democratic mob and ruling.


Again, a support of Democratic mob rule, with the implicit assumption that it would be your favored party being that Democratic mob and ruling.


Your presentation has nothing to do with the Senate against which you chafe, your chafing again a support of Democratic mob rule, with the implicit assumption that it would be your favored party being that Democratic mob and ruling.

Bottom line it sure looks like you are tyrant who wants what you want, and don't care about which US federal government institutions are eliminated to get that absolute political power.

The key words in your post seem to be “democratic mob.” One might get the impression you don’t believe in democracy, with the suggestion that you are somewhere between as Orwell put it,”some animals are more equal than others” and an Ayn Randian fascism, that some are destined to rule, other to obey the superior ones.

 

[eohrnberger]

I was making the point that the Senate is, as far as I know, unique among legislative bodies.

OK. But why divert from your argument focused on the EC?

Can’t argue with that. Only analyze it.

Fair enough.

The key words in your post seem to be “democratic mob.” One might get the impression you don’t believe in democracy, with the suggestion that you are somewhere between as Orwell put it,”some animals are more equal than others” and an Ayn Randian fascism, that some are destined to rule, other to obey the superior ones.

You keep skipping the 2 wolfs and sheep analogy of what the Democratic mob, or the mob of the majority (if you like that better) really is.

In a strict majority mob, the mob could simply vote away your right to private property, for example, and as one of the minority, you'd have nothing to say about it, no legal recourse, the only choice is to accept it.

Given how hard the left has been working these last years to cancel (leftist media), suppress and censor speech and the social media postings of voices (FBI, DNI, IC and Twitter), positions and opinions that they don't agree with, do you really believe that the above is all that much further behind?

 

[Nickyjo]

OK. But why divert from your argument focused on the EC?


Fair enough.


You keep skipping the 2 wolfs and sheep analogy of what the Democratic mob, or the mob of the majority (if you like that better) really is.

In a strict majority mob, the mob could simply vote away your right to private property, for example, and as one of the minority, you'd have nothing to say about it, no legal recourse, the only choice is to accept it.

Ok. So what? One hopes a constitution would prevent that as it has in the past. But majority rule has allowed some pretty ugly things. So it goes in a democracy. But most have done just fine.

Given how hard the left has been working these last years to cancel (leftist media), suppress and censor speech and the social media postings of voices (FBI, DNI, IC and Twitter), positions and opinions that they don't agree with, do you really believe that the above is all that much further behind?

True, the mob could bring back slavery, the rack, trial by fire, or create a more just society. What is your problem with majority rule? And more importantly, what system other than democracy would you replace it with? And you act as if the right doesnt partake in similar evil doing. Trump wanted to do torture worse than water boarding, have the US kill that families of terrorists. Name your poison.

 

[Razoo]

ELECTORAL REFORM​

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[Razoo]

Over 80% of Democrats recognize the flaws in the Electoral College and support abolishing it in favor of a National Popular Vote. And 89% of those respondents want a constitutional amendment to get rid of it!

But the vast majority of Republicans oppose changing anything about it. They benefit from the Electoral College and its skewed representation – which means an amendment would never get through the 50-50 tied Senate.

That’s why the states have a plan to bypass Congress, ignore Mitch McConnell, and elect the popular vote winner directly.

It’s called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Let's make it law.

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[PoS]

My point is clear. Throughout our history, various forces have complained about power given or potentially taken by “urban hordes,” often newcomers, dating back to the arrival of the Irish. Your comments echoed that. But you still haven’t answered why you object to urban hordes.

Name these forces and quote them with regards to "urban hordes" then. Youve got nothing but woke lies.

 

[Nickyjo]

Name these forces and quote them with regards to "urban hordes" then. Youve got nothing but woke lies.

The forces include the anti-Irish Know Nothings and the anti-Jewish KKK. A New York City newspaper editorialized that if it weren’t for the Irish and Germans, “a policeman’s job would be a sinecure.” Check out “A Nation of Strangers” by Ellis Cose. He documents stuff like this.

But you still haven’t said why you object to “urban hordes,” which phrase started this back and forth, I believe.

 

[Razoo]

Name these forces and quote them with regards to "urban hordes" then. Youve got nothing but woke lies.

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[eohrnberger]

Ok. So what?

The 2 wolfs and sheep analogy, quite accurate, and your response is 'So what?'
I can't comprehend your frame of reference nor your value system. They both seem to be strictly focused on a Democrat / progressive / liberal dominated pure Democracy, bringing back the nobility in the cities and densely populated areas to dominate and subjugate the serfs which don't live there. Sure sounds like you want to go back to the middle ages political and social structure.

One hopes a constitution would prevent that as it has in the past. But majority rule has allowed some pretty ugly things. So it goes in a democracy.

You admit that 'majority rule has allowed some pretty ugly things' yet are promoting it as if those 'ugly things' would be back in a heartbeat.
Again, I can't comprehend your frame of reference nor your value system. They both seem to be strictly focused on a Democrat / progressive / liberal dominated pure Democracy.

But most have done just fine.

True, the mob could bring back slavery, the rack, trial by fire, or create a more just society. What is your problem with majority rule?

Aren't what you just mentioned sufficient?

And more importantly, what system other than democracy would you replace it with?

I'm just fine with the US's Democratic Republic, where individual rights are enshrined in law and tradition and the government is constrained.
Seems you would replace this with a Democrat / progressive / liberal dominated pure Democracy.
What's the matter? Do you feel like you aren't getting your way often enough?

And you act as if the right doesnt partake in similar evil doing.

Do cite where I've made that assertion. I don't think I have.

Trump wanted to do torture worse than water boarding, have the US kill that families of terrorists. Name your poison.

The US's Democratic Republic wouldn't permit that, and you know it. But do you know what might? A Democrat / progressive / liberal dominated pure Democracy might, and they might start this with all their political enemies followed shortly by anyone who doesn't toe their ideology and political positions.

After all:

Who Are the Real Insurrectionists?

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Yes, I believe the left has much to answer for and be held accountable for, this last decade or so.

 

[Nickyjo]

The 2 wolfs and sheep analogy, quite accurate, and your response is 'So what?'
I can't comprehend your frame of reference nor your value system. They both seem to be strictly focused on a Democrat / progressive / liberal dominated pure Democracy, bringing back the nobility in the cities and densely populated areas to dominate and subjugate the serfs which don't live there. Sure sounds like you want to go back to the middle ages political and social structure.

So you prefer rural folks to dominate the serfs in the cities? As to going back to the Middle Ages, what are you talking about? Ideally (and not to worry, it won’t happen) I would just like to imitate the more representative democratic republics which are our allies. But your scorn for the vast majority (83%) of us who live in urban areas is noted.

You admit that 'majority rule has allowed some pretty ugly things' yet are promoting it as if those 'ugly things' would be back in a heartbeat.

Minority rule as well has allowed some ugly things. That I support the opposite doesn’t mean I endorse the ugliness.

Again, I can't comprehend your frame of reference nor your value system. They both seem to be strictly focused on a Democrat / progressive / liberal dominated pure Democracy.

No, focused on majority rule, preferring democrats but tolerating republicans, as I wouldn’t have stormed the Capitol had Trump beat Biden in 2020.

Aren't what you just mentioned sufficient?


I'm just fine with the US's Democratic Republic, where individual rights are enshrined in law and tradition and the government is constrained.
Seems you would replace this with a Democrat / progressive / liberal dominated pure Democracy.
What's the matter? Do you feel like you aren't getting your way often enough?

Have no problem with your vision, just with the undemocratic Senate.

Do cite where I've made that assertion. I don't think I have.


The US's Democratic Republic wouldn't permit that, and you know it. But do you know what might? A Democrat / progressive / liberal dominated pure Democracy might, and they might start this with all their political enemies followed shortly by anyone who doesn't toe their ideology and political positions.

After all:

Who Are the Real Insurrectionists?

Who Are the Real Insurrectionists? (townhall.com) Victor Davis Hanson |Posted: Jan 06, 2022 Recently, Democrats have been despondent over President Joe Biden's sinking poll numbers. His policies on the economy, energy, foreign policy, the border, and COVID-19 all have lost majority support...

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Yes, I believe the left has much to answer for and be held accountable for, this last decade or so.

I am not saying pure democracy, but representative democracy. My point was that the Senate, and to a much lesser extent, the Electoral College are not democracies. Again, why do the Dakotas and Wyoming have three times the representation in Congress than California? One think is certain, if California tried to break itself up into several states the size of those three, or even all three combined, you can be sure they would be the first to object. Two things are undeniable/ the Senate isn’t going anywhere and tfe Senate is undemocratoc.

 

[PoS]

The forces include the anti-Irish Know Nothings and the anti-Jewish KKK. A New York City newspaper editorialized that if it weren’t for the Irish and Germans, “a policeman’s job would be a sinecure.” Check out “A Nation of Strangers” by Ellis Cose. He documents stuff like this.

But you still haven’t said why you object to “urban hordes,” which phrase started this back and forth, I believe.

Youre the one who drew out the race card, so unless you can prove there's anything racist in what I said, then you lied.

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Meaningless links, as usual.

 

[Nickyjo]

Youre the one who drew out the race card, so unless you can prove there's anything racist in what I said, then you lied.


Meaningless links, as usual.

I am not intending to prove that what you said was racist. Pay attention to my point: the phrase “urban hordes” brings to mind a classic fear of urban populations some have expressed at various times in US history. This has the connotation that the hordes are different, and similar language was used in the past to describe Germans, Irish, Italians, Jews, etc.

Let’s turn it around. If I made reference to “red necks in flyover country” it would carry a similar negative connotation.

But again I have to ask, what do you mean, that is, what is negative about allowing “urban hordes” representation in accord with their numbers? You haven’t explained why you consider urban hordes to be a negative. In the past people have demeaned the population of cities or the countryside as ignorant in their respective political motivations, with the former easily led by machine politicians like Daley in old Chicago and the latter by rural demagogues like Wallace in the old South.

 

[PoS]

I am not intending to prove that what you said was racist. Pay attention to my point: the phrase “urban hordes” brings to mind a classic fear of urban populations some have expressed at various times in US history. This has the connotation that the hordes are different, and similar language was used in the past to describe Germans, Irish, Italians, Jews, etc.

So you just claimed what I said was racist. Your dishonesty is proven.

 

[Nickyjo]

So you just claimed what I said was racist. Your dishonesty is proven.

What you said is a phrase used historically to demean urban populations. Forget about race and ethnicity. Think of London in Dickens’ time, and the distrust or fear of its urban population. The only reason your phrase might have negative connotations is in a diverse society like the US. It has.

But let me ask you again, for I believe is the third or fourth time: what do you see as negative about the urban hordes?

 

[eohrnberger]

So you prefer rural folks to dominate the serfs in the cities?

If anything the EC, which is what we are talking about, levels the playing field between densely populated cities rural areas.

The other thing is that you can't view the presidential election as a national election. It is more like 50-some state level elections to chose a president.

As far as 'rural folks to dominate the serfs in the cities'
It's pretty much the opposite in the Congressional House.

As to going back to the Middle Ages, what are you talking about? Ideally (and not to worry, it won’t happen) I would just like to imitate the more representative democratic republics which are our allies. But your scorn for the vast majority (83%) of us who live in urban areas is noted.

There was no 'scorn' in my posts. That's what you simply read in.

Minority rule as well has allowed some ugly things. That I support the opposite doesn’t mean I endorse the ugliness.

I hardly think that the presidential election qualifies as 'Minority rule'

No, focused on majority rule, preferring democrats but tolerating republicans, as I wouldn’t have stormed the Capitol had Trump beat Biden in 2020.

You bring this up because you have basically nothing. Turning into quite the fallback tactic for the lefties.

Have no problem with your vision, just with the undemocratic Senate.

Your problem is not with whatever 'vision' you imagine that I've expressed, is that the system presently in place is not overwhelmingly tilted to Democrats favor, i.e. guaranteed winning all the time.
Yet another tactic of the lefties:
If you don't always win, change the rules.
Never mind what crap public polices and their crap results Democrats support.

I am not saying pure democracy, but representative democracy.

Now you are just simply changing the definition of words to suit you and your argument.
Yet another dishonest tactic of the lefties.
The US is a 'representative democracy' and also a Democratic Republic.

My point was that the Senate, and to a much lesser extent, the Electoral College are not democracies.

See previous comment about 'overwhelmingly tilted to Democrats favor' above.

Again, why do the Dakotas and Wyoming have three times the representation in Congress than California? One think is certain, if California tried to break itself up into several states the size of those three, or even all three combined, you can be sure they would be the first to object. Two things are undeniable/ the Senate isn’t going anywhere and tfe Senate is undemocratoc.

 

[PoS]

What you said is a phrase used historically to demean urban populations.

Prove it. Show me some links.

 

[Nickyjo]

If anything the EC, which is what we are talking about, levels the playing field between densely populated cities rural areas.

The other thing is that you can't view the presidential election as a national election. It is more like 50-some state level elections to chose a president.

As far as 'rural folks to dominate the serfs in the cities'
It's pretty much the opposite in the Congressional House.


There was no 'scorn' in my posts. That's what you simply read in.


I hardly think that the presidential election qualifies as 'Minority rule'


You bring this up because you have basically nothing. Turning into quite the fallback tactic for the lefties.


Your problem is not with whatever 'vision' you imagine that I've expressed, is that the system presently in place is not overwhelmingly tilted to Democrats favor, i.e. guaranteed winning all the time.
Yet another tactic of the lefties:
If you don't always win, change the rules.
Never mind what crap public polices and their crap results Democrats support.


Now you are just simply changing the definition of words to suit you and your argument.
Yet another dishonest tactic of the lefties.
The US is a 'representative democracy' and also a Democratic Republic.


See previous comment about 'overwhelmingly tilted to Democrats favor' above.

You still haven’t addressed my main points, that the Senate and to a far lesser extent the EC, are undemocratic, in that they give greater power to fewer voters.

Good or bad, that is undeniable. And if making votes count the same everywhere, I’m all in.

 

[Peter]

Not true.

California has the largest number of electoral votes. You don't see the GOP spending more time and money in that state. I wonder...do you know why?


Because the national popular vote is irrelevant. Only the state popular vote matters.
This is one reason our country is called The United States of America...and not just America.


Sorry, but every vote DOES count. (Or, it would if there wasn't election fraud.)

If every vote counted then why do Presidential candidates spend so much time campaigning in so few areas and **** all in others?

 

[Peter]

Why should they?
If you eliminate the EC, what you end up with is a small sliver of on the coasts and a few internal states here and there, dictating to the rest of the country.
It'd be the Democratic mob, and the US wouldn't a Democratic Republic anymore.

The dense population centers, which are dependent on daily food shipments from the farmlands, free to dictate all the goes on in the farmlands? How long do you think that's going last or stay stable?

But I get it. The left will do anything, nothing is beneath them, to gain political supremacy in all things.
It's the sugar plumbs which circle their heads while they sleep every night.

Meanwhile, the results of some of the idiotic liberal / progressive / Democrat public policies, and their non-reality based results, have thrown the major of Chicago out of office.

What you have now is a tryany of the minority.
A few small battleground states control the fate of the country and cities and under represented.