Our Choice By May 1st: 1) Return To Work; 2) Endless Trillions In Stimulus; 3) Societal Breakdown

[Rogue Valley]

Your mistake is you worry about spread. Same mistake the WHO made for the US. Same mistake epidemiologists made for the US.

You go back to work early and make Donnie happy. Good luck with that.

 

[iguanaman]

Quarantine aka absence is 100% effective. Everyone who engages in sex should understand that parenthood is a potential consequence. Just like those who go out and participate in society and interact, millions and millions of times a day, could accidentally catch a life threatening virus. They, especially those most vunerable, should take precautions just as those having sex.....realizing that no precaution is certain.

How'd I do weaving your topics together

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Woman cannot be forced to bear a child because they get pregnant. They have the right to control their own bodies. Also no one can be forced to go back to work unless testing shows they will not be risking a Covid 19 infection. Humans are not sheep to be manipulated for your perceived benefit.

 

[marke]

Seriously? EMN Seattle, the supposedly devout Catholic who posts here, claims that there will always be poor people and...too bad, that's just the way the world works and the Lord is ok with it.

And I didnt see you responding to my specifics at all with any means of countering them...you are just attempting to judge me...which is also hypocritical since that's what you're accusing me of. :doh

Jesus said there will always be poor people. If science has done any studies at all it has uncovered the fact that there have always been poor people. It should also be noted that socialism and communism have never reduced the number of poor people in nations the political philosophies have infected but always made poverty worse and increased the number of impoverished in those poor nations.

 

[cabse5]

Sorry, that doesnt make any sense to me. Can you please rephrase it?

My signature summarizes my thought nicely.

 

[marke]

What? So what does this say for men?

The Bible says all humans are sinners, including women.

 

[cabse5]

I repeat. No one will go back to work unless they are tested first. No one will agree to go back to work otherwise either. You must think we are all stupid sheep.

I repeat. Your mistake is you concentrate on spread.

 

[iguanaman]

At least, there is an attempt made to take the decision out of the hands of epidemiologists.

Actually it is to make it clear to Trump that he has no say. Epidemiologists obviously are the best equipped to make these decisions and the governors know this too.

 

[Lursa]

Quarantine aka absence is 100% effective. Everyone who engages in sex should understand that parenthood is a potential consequence. Just like those who go out and participate in society and interact, millions and millions of times a day, could accidentally catch a life threatening virus. They, especially those most vunerable, should take precautions just as those having sex.....realizing that no precaution is certain.

How'd I do weaving your topics together

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It is a potential consequence. So are adoption and abortion. And everyone knows they have these options.

All thru history people have chosen to have sex when it risked their very lives, men and women's. It's ludicrous to imagine that they will start having LESS sex today. it's not even worth discussing...it's like wishing you could teleport to another planet.

again, why would the woman not take the safer risk of abortion (14 times safer than pregnancy/childbirth) and be able to fulfill her responsibilities to her family/dependents, and all her other commitments and obligations in life, to society, just to save a single 'weak' unborn? That was the justification you tried to make earlier.

 

[iguanaman]

I repeat. Your mistake is you concentrate on spread.

And you think our workers are mindless sheep. They do not want the virus or to spread it to their families.

 

[cabse5]

You go back to work early and make Donnie happy. Good luck with that.

Yours is rhetoric. Concentrating on spread will hamstring us into our homes w/o jobs and w/o entertainment for about a year.

 

[Eriech]

Woman cannot be forced to bear a child because they get pregnant. They have the right to control their own bodies. Also no one can be forced to go back to work unless testing shows they will not be risking a Covid 19 infection. Humans are not sheep to be manipulated for your perceived benefit.

We are sheep being manipulated currently. Our media is evil. If you are afraid, stay home. If not do what you do.


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[Lursa]

Jesus said there will always be poor people. If science has done any studies at all it has uncovered the fact that there have always been poor people. It should also be noted that socialism and communism have never reduced the number of poor people in nations the political philosophies have infected but always made poverty worse and increased the number of impoverished in those poor nations.

So what's your point again? :doh

 

[Lursa]

My signature summarizes my thought nicely.

yeah, except it's wrong.

If those people are never exposed to the virus, due to social distancing, they wont get it :doh When the virus runs out of available hosts, it will disappear from mainstream spread.

 

[iguanaman]

Meh, I dont know. If you are eligible for unemployment benefits now, under regular or new crisis guidelines, you may no longer be eligible if you can go back to work and dont. They demand that you look for work under regular conditions and justify not taking work you are qualified for. That may be 'waived' right now but it wont be if they re-open the economy.

And so people may have to give up the safety net in order to be able to feed and house their families.

I would not worry about any of that. Corporations won't want to reopen unless they know their workers won't spread the virus to others while at work. They know it will be more costly than just staying shut. The posters on this board that say otherwise are clueless about what companies worry about. They are just parroting Trump who is equally clueless.

 

[Lursa]

The Bible says all humans are sinners, including women.

So then why the concern for protecting 'innocent' life if one is a sinner the moment one is born?

 

[iguanaman]

Yours is rhetoric. Concentrating on spread will hamstring us into our homes w/o jobs and w/o entertainment for about a year.

And not stopping the spread will cost millions of lives. Lives that you think are expendable apparently. China and Korea are already returning to normal because they have been successful in stopping the spread, you think we are incapable of this because?

 

[cabse5]

Actually it is to make it clear to Trump that he has no say. Epidemiologists obviously are the best equipped to make these decisions and the governors know this too.

Epidemiologists don't know politics and epidemiologists don't acknowledge previous statistics of pandemic casualties from European and Asian countries.

 

[jamesbyoung]

Those individuals calling for an early all-out opening of the economy are either woefully ignorant, mentally feeble, or malignantly motivated enemies of the people.

They need to be rounded up and jailed.

 

[Eriech]

It is a potential consequence. So are adoption and abortion. And everyone knows they have these options.

All thru history people have chosen to have sex when it risked their very lives, men and women's. It's ludicrous to imagine that they will start having LESS sex today. it's not even worth discussing...it's like wishing you could teleport to another planet.

again, why would the woman not take the safer risk of abortion (14 times safer than pregnancy/childbirth) and be able to fulfill her responsibilities to her family/dependents, and all her other commitments and obligations in life, to society, just to save a single 'weak' unborn? That was the justification you tried to make earlier.

I am all for sex, lots of it. ( Dr. OZ recommend activity in fact during the Quarantine) Limitless economic and social interaction as well. Both have consequences. You need to realize and accept the consequences. Becoming a parent or catching a virus. Life is not a virus. We need to teach this; have it ingrained in our society again. If you do not want children you can fix it; woman or man. If you want to keep that option open you need to recognize that option carries risk.




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[iguanaman]

Epidemiologists don't know politics and epidemiologists don't acknowledge previous statistics of pandemic casualties from European and Asian countries.

This is a medical emergency not a political one. If there is one thing epidemiologists know it is statistics. They learn from them and try to do better every time.

 

[cabse5]

And not stopping the spread will cost millions of lives. Lives that you think are expendable apparently.

(1) More will die than need because there is no concentration on those who are most susceptible to the pandemic and (2) because the concentration is on spread, the crisis period will be longer which will cause more to die than otherwise.

More will die with concentration on spread than on concentration of those who are most susceptible to the pandemic.

 

[ElChupacabra]

You know, in the week before we were all sent home to work from home, we tried social distancing, masks, etc.

It was a joke. You couldnt touch a door knob, go to the restroom, open the fridge door or open a cabinet in the kitchen without re-thinking how to do it. It was an amazing 'experiment' from an academic standpoint.

This is the challenge companies are going to have to face; be it factories or office spaces. Most people aren't sitting 6 feet apart from each other and almost everything requires using shared spaces. I was practicing some of the hygiene measures like washing my hands frequently, but there are other areas where you have little control over like public transportation. There are times when you're in a packed bus with people sneezing and coughing up a storm and there's little you can do.

It's nearly impossible not to touch your face. Or to remember to use hand sanitizer each time you went back to your desk (which would have to be provided in mass quantities.)

And that's just in an office environment. There are many other work 'configurations' and challenges.

This is the kind of learned behavior that might be easier to adjust to, but some will be better at this than others. Even before all of this, I always used paper towel to open bathroom doors on the way out because more often than not I'd see men leave the bathroom without washing their hands.

 

[Mashmont]

Deaths are only 1100 today so far. New cases at only 21000. Both would be hugely significant drops, even if they rise by 20% with six hours left in the day!

Great news for America.
Great news for Trump.

The only ones upset at this news will be the leftwingers.

 

[cabse5]

This is a medical emergency not a political one. If there is one thing epidemiologists know it is statistics. They learn from them and try to do better every time.

The WHO is copying the same type of plan for the US used by those European and Asian countries who first experienced the fury of the pandemic and had no statistics from which to guide them.

 

[SingleCellOrganism]

Deaths are only 1100 today so far. New cases at only 21000. Both would be hugely significant drops, even if they rise by 20% with six hours left in the day!

Great news for America.
Great news for Trump.

The only ones upset at this news will be the leftwingers.

My sense is that this virus narrative is primarily an opportunity by the MSM / DNC / TDS crowd to start-up a new "Russia" story.

The numbers just don't line up with "pandemic". Something else is going on, a new Reichstag fire. Maybe it has to do with the Repo market and securing trillions for more bank bailouts and liquidity.