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Binyamin said:Yehoshua 11:5 וַיִּוָּעֲדוּ, כֹּל הַמְּלָכִים הָאֵלֶּה; וַיָּבֹאוּ וַיַּחֲנוּ יַחְדָּו, אֶל-מֵי מֵרוֹם, לְהִלָּחֵם, עִם-יִשְׂרָאֵל
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Also, Americans did the same to the Native Americans, does that make...
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Please stop enlarging your text it's very immature.
Well, they started it.Lucidthots said:JOSHUA 11: 6
"........I will have them all lying dead before Israel!"
DISGUSTING!
Lucidthots said:GENESIS: 9: 25
Cursed be Canaan:
The lowest of the slaves he shall be to his brothers.
Blessed be the Lord, God of Shem:
Let Canaan be a slave to them.
RACIST!
So it's disgusting and satanic when defending yourself? I'm sure if I came at you with a knife, you would defend yourself, how disgusting of you! how satanic! :roll:Lucidthots said:"Americans" are not a religion.
Nonetheless, it is disgusting and Satanic, especially when done in the name of God!
Binyamin said:Yehoshua 11:5 וַיִּוָּעֲדוּ, כֹּל הַמְּלָכִים הָאֵלֶּה; וַיָּבֹאוּ וַיַּחֲנוּ יַחְדָּו, אֶל-מֵי מֵרוֹם, לְהִלָּחֵם, עִם-יִשְׂרָאֵל
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Also, Americans did the same to the Native Americans, does that make them...
S A TA N I C?
Binyamin said:So it's disgusting and satanic when defending yourself? I'm sure if I came at you with a knife, you would defend yourself, how disgusting of you! how satanic! :roll:
Lucidthots said:HILLARIOUS! A JEW DEFENDING GENOCIDE; I AM GOING TO REMEBER THAT NEXT TIME THE JEWS START RANTING ABOUT HITLER, THE NAZIS AND THE HOLOCAUST!
Read my above post, you ****ing retard.Lucidthots said:No the Israelites INVADED CANAAN!
Have you not read the Torah?
NUMBERS
The created their army in the desert, sent scouts to Canaan and then invaded, crossing the Jordan river and began their genocidal mania.
It is the Canaanites who were defending their land.
Binyamin said:I'm defending the people who you assert don't have the right to defend themselves.
Okay, so THEY are attacking Israel and Israel is defending themselves, what's the problem? Are you really to ****ing retarded to read the passages before the one verse?
If I come at you with a gun with all my neighbors, and you kill EVERYSINGLE one of us, does that make you satanic? No, it means you're defending yourself. Stop being a moron.
What part of Bamidbar are you having trouble with?Lucidthots said:Read NUMBERS!
THE ISRAELITES FORMED AN ARMY, THEN INVADED AND STARTED A GENOCIDAL WAR AGAINST INNOCENT PEOPLE.
What does that have to with religion?
Binyamin said:So a translation is better then the original text?
Binyamin said:The fact is Rashi, Ramban, and all sages commentary points that the meaning of this isn't "Divine beings" or angels. Elohim implies rulership.
Binyamin said:This has not to do with just translating, but a lot to do with understanding the language. Kind of like when you guys ****ed up every translation Melachim II 8:10 in every book. Your translations are not perfect and you need to understand the Hebrew, which also means understanding what a Kri and Ktiv are when it comes to biblical study..
Binyamin said:Where do you get the idea that angels can do more then one purpose? They have more then one function?
Binyamin said:From the Midrash, "One angel does not perform two missions."
Binyamin said:Again, I don't believe the JPS to be anywhere close to being perfect. Nor is the NIV, NASB, or any other translation. If you want to learn the meaning of the Torah, learn hebrew, and I don't mean being able to go to a book and look up every word in the sentance.
Binyamin said:It helps if you support your claims w/ passages.
Binyamin said:If I come at you with a gun with all my neighbors, and you kill EVERYSINGLE one of us, does that make you satanic? No, it means you're defending yourself.
I know what the JPS is, although I don't suggest reading the TaNaKh w/out reading the commentary from the sages which one book won't cover. I have a book thicker then the christian bible for every Hebrew book of canon filled with commentary I can acess when I need to.Napoleon's Nightingale said:I trust the JPS (I assume you know that it stands for the Jewish Publishing Society). My copy of the Tanakh has the hebrew and english translations.
Elohim is also plural in the verse I cited. I just wanted to bold that part, and look at it again, oh such great newsNapoleon's Nightingale said:Elohim is plural which means the text is speaking of more than one divine being. There is no real evidence of a trinity so deductive logic shows that it is speaking of both God and the angels.
Sorry if I get an attidue, part of it has to w/ me being an ESL another part has to do w/ posting rebuttal after rebuttal for the clown that started this thread which he completely ignores.Napoleon's Nightingale said:Hey, back off.. I am not your enemy here..theres no need to lash out at me.
Cool.Napoleon's Nightingale said:The Jewish Publication Society translated the text that way. I had nothing to do with how the bible is officially translated. I'm not a christian either.
I don't think I need too speak w/ my rabbi on this particular issue...Napoleon's Nightingale said:I am currently learning Hebrew but don't be so pretentious in your assertions..you do not know everything. Speak to your Rabbi and get back to me.
The Jewish perspective is that he didn't rebel, so that would be a Christian perspective, which I reject. If for some reason you do think Jewish scripture indicates he rebelled and has several missions, I welcome scripture from the Torah, Mishnah, Gemora, Midrash, or just about any other Jewish source.Napoleon's Nightingale said:Angels serve multiple purposes. They are messengers, worshipers, and warriors of God. They have free will and this is proven by the rebellion of Satan.
Such as...?Napoleon's Nightingale said:I do not believe this passage to be true. Gabriel performed more than one mission.
I have a English Chumash that I use if I'm too lazy to check the Hebrew. If it's a verse I believe to be questionable then i just go to the hebrew.Napoleon's Nightingale said:The english translation is along side the hebrew in my Tanakh. I have run some of the translations by several professors of Hebrew at my university. They believe they are accurate.
I forgot what we were arguing and it only shows the last 10 replies, gimme a sec to look back to page 1 and I'll respond.Napoleon's Nightingale said:Enoch for example and even Noah.
The Rothschilds weren't standing there ready to attack. Your analogy is fale.Lucidthots said:You know the NAZI's used this same logic against the Jews.
"The Rothschilds are oppressing us!"
"We must kill all the Jews of the world!"
Lucidthots said:NUMBERS: 1 : 2
TAKE A CENSUS OF THE WHOLE ISRAELITE COMMUNITY......LISTING ALL THE NAMES OF THE MALES HEAD BY HEAD.
......ALL THOSE IN ISRAEL WHO ARE ABLE TO BEAR ARMS.
Interesting, they were in the middle of the desert, who were they "defending" themselves against?
Answer: they were not, rather they were putting together an invasion force to exterminate innocent people.
THIS IS PURE EVIL!
Binyamin said:The Rothschilds weren't standing there ready to attack. Your analogy is fale.
If anything that proves my point.Napoleon's Nightingale said:Enoch for example and even Noah.
Napoleon's Nightingale said:The point of taking the cencus was to organize the Israelites into clans and give the clans the means to defend themselves and the treasures they had. It had nothing to do with preparing an invasion army. The Israelites were, by definition, monadic at that point in time. The desert was a dangerous place..there were probably bandits roaming about not to mention an x number of hostile forces. It wasn't evil..it was self-defense.
Have you flipped on a TV? Those wonderful Muslims blow themselves up daily in Israel. You know Jews have to put aside holy days to defend other Jews?Lucidthots said:No, the Israelites were merely Mafia thugs, who murdered people and stole their property.
Buddha never had an army.
Mormons dont show up at your door with a gun and kill you and take your house.
Just the Israelites...how come?
Binyamin said:And I've had mormons appear at my door, two of them, a man a woman, they were shocked because I refused to shake hands with the woman, they didn't even bother sticking around after that.
There is nothing wrong w/ arming yourself. Where did the Israelites in your opinion, go after someone unjustly? You keep saying they did, you've cited Yehoshua which you no longer even mention after I pointed out how stupid you were.Lucidthots said:But did the Mormons "come at you with a sword" like the Israelites did to the Canaanites?
I don't know enough about Buddha to answer that question, nor am I interested in hearing from Buddha.Lucidthots said:How come Buddha did not kill anybody?
Binyamin said:And I've had mormons appear at my door, two of them, a man a woman, they were shocked because I refused to shake hands with the woman, they didn't even bother sticking around after that.
It was bad-mannered for her to offer her hand to me.Lucidthots said:Wow, that is rude.
Here in civilization we have this thing called "manners."
Binyamin said:There is nothing wrong w/ arming yourself. Where did the Israelites in your opinion, go after someone unjustly? You keep saying they did, you've cited Yehoshua which you no longer even mention after I pointed out how stupid you were.
I don't know enough about Buddha to answer that question, nor am I interested in hearing from Buddha.
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